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From the RCA website:
Non-GPS Conversions
While the RCA encourages its members to use GPS, it recognizes that some may choose not to, in their role as the local rabbinic authority. Such rabbis recognize that other rabbis are similarly free to not recognize conversions from outside GPS in their jurisdiction.Even the RCA recognizes someone who underwent an “Orthodox” conversion can fairly and halachicly have that conversion not recognized as valid within Orthodoxy, if the other rabbis deem it problematic.
Regardless of the arguments here, I personally think it’s really cool that the U.S. President’s daughter and son-in-law, who is also acting as one of his top advisors, are promoting Jewish observance.
Even putting aside all the kashrus, church and Shabbos issues over the years, no one even attempted to address the issue of him long term dating (bf/gf) a non-Jewess for years.
When my phone calls get dropped I assume Hashem wanted me to rethink what I was saying. When my email fails to send I assume it needs editing. I just made a list of 5 times where Joseph says the exact same thing over and over but in different words after saying that he doesn’t talk too much about them. Guess Hashem felt it was a waste of time defending myself as being right never matters here.
Pardon my ignorance, but what’s GPS other than the dohickey that tells you where to go?
Joseph
There are specific heiterim involved here (I believe Rav Moshe discusses this heter, that better they do something b’heter then continue to do it b’avera)
And all agree he wasn’t fully frum to begin with. That doesn’t change her yearning to be a frum ger. She has no chiyuv to force her husband to be frum. As I stated before many couples have this issue, especially in EY with the vast kiruv movement.
But I really don’t understand your continued effort to fight a lost cause. Your definitions and understanding of geyrus will not supersede a Rabbanite recognized US bais din.“The silence on the LH/HSR issues is deafening.”
Wrong again
From the beginning I pointed out both the LH your poster posts about ” Open Orthodox” and the HSR he/you posted about those who correctly point out that the Kushners arent orthodox .
There are heiterim for eating chazer, too. There are heiterim for killing someone, also, depending on the circumstances. So lets not condemn the guy who killed the little boy five years ago. Or anyone who publicly eats chazer.
Someone who isn’t frum to begin with can’t then convert his non-Jewish girlfriend since she isn’t agreeing to be completely frum, as required.
And for the umpteenth time there is no reason to believe a rabbanite recognized US bais din did the conversion. Furthermore, the zionist rabbinite is far from being a good arbiter on which beis din is kosher or not.
I’m still waiting for the mods to allow my post with a link to an article talking about our case being done in a GPS bais din. The article, posted on an esteemed jewish hashkafa site written by an esteemed MO Rabbi states unequivocally that the geyrus was kosher and done in a GPS bais din.
The info is out there for anyone who cares to lookAvi, brush up on what the Chofetz Chaim says one is permitted and even a mitzvah to say about a regular repetitive sinner who commits his sins publicly. He doesn’t agree with your application of lh and hsr.
“brush up on what the Chofetz Chaim says one is permitted and even a mitzvah to say about a regular repetitive sinner who commits his sins publicly. ”
Love this. the diligence in this particular mitzvah of denigrating a sinner reminds me of the 17 year olds who are also extra diligent in their observance of the “ad d’lo yada” mitzvah.
How bout the rest of them?
I have very strong doubts that the “denigrating” is as boundary-less in it’s application as you wish it to be.“How bout the rest of them?”
The rest of them too should be adhered to and followed completely. No one said otherwise.
R4
I don’t know if we are allowed to reference other sites
but google ” Dov Fischer cross currents thoughts on the conversion mess” for a better understanding of the specific issues of geyrus/conversions and more specifics about our case under discussion
Since I know no one will call the esteemed Rav I mentioned above to ask the shayla, perhaps this quote from Rav Dov Fischer (who served on the RCA executive committee) will cause some pause in the lashon hara
“As facts actually have it, Ms. Trump was converted under the GPS rubric. There is no question regarding her conversion. She was converted with the full institutional imprimatur. ”
google the full articleAnd as I’ve repeatedly pointed out the LH here calls into question the jewishness of children.
The same way that you aren’t even allowed to talk about a get after it’s given, to prevent questioning of future children, I would assume the same inyan applies here.If the Get is a Get me’usa, you must make that fact public so that someone doesn’t marry an eishes ish. If the conversion was invalid, you must make that fact public so that others don’t intermarry.
” If the conversion was invalid, you must make that fact public so that others don’t intermarry.”
And I have NO doubt in my mind that that is your “lishma” in this case and has been all along.
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