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The reality of Galus is that we have so many iterations of yiddishkeit, so many conflicting opinions of what or who is daas torah, of what is proper hashkafa/what is improper, who is right and who is wrong. You can’t have psak halacha because everyone has their own idea of who can paskin for them. Galus messed everything up. IN GALUS THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IDEOLOGIES. No one knows what’s right or wrong so let everyone “be” until mashiach comes. Mashiach will paskin from A to Z, hashkafa, halacha. Soup to Nuts.
No more Bais Hillel and Bais Shammai? Both are Daas Torah.
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Shekerm: “IN GALUS THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IDEOLOGIES” exactly. I agree with you 100%. Every person according to their daas torah, with no yid bashing another person’s daas torah.
Yes, DY.
At least according to the OP.
He says you can’t have psak halacha.
So you’re right- that’s the way to go!
Hold on a minute while I delete a few numbers from my contacts…
No one knows what’s right or wrong so let everyone “be” until mashiach comes.
They may not be perfect, but the Einei Haeidah know much better than we do. If someone is Somech on a Bar Samcha, then OK, but Chazal said “Aseh L’cha Rav”.
Mashiach will paskin from A to Z, hashkafa, halacha. Soup to Nuts.
Does Moshiach have to be a Posek? How will he have real Smicha? Can he even be called Rabbi?
I was listening to a tape of Reb Moshe zt’l, the rov who introduced Reb Moshe said:
Daas torah means I can’t bring a clear raaya for this but this is what I think. With Reb Moshe there is no concept of daas torah because he can bring a raaya le’halacha for anything.
We modern orthodox don’t believe in Daas Torah because Rav Soloveitchik z’tz’l told us not to.
(Full disclosure: I read that somewhere else on the internet; it is not original with me.)
Sheker, so far as I know there is no source for that statement. Certainly iut cannot be according to its simple meaning. I did hear that in the time of Mashiach we will be able to live according to middat hadin alone.
Avi K: I spent years searching for the source. It’s from a Sefer called VaYakhel Moshe on Parshas Pekudei.
How hilarious – I always thought it was simply a clever irony, not an actual quote from edited (if sam is to be believed).
charliehall: He just said not to believe himself when he said not to believe in daas Torah.
Can one’s da’as Torah tell him that there is no da’as Torah? If it does, then it’s clearly not da’as Torah…
The Wolf
So we’re all in agreement that Rav Soloveichik didn’t possess da’as Torah.
Which R. Soloveichik?
One can belive in the idea of Da’as torah and also belive that nobody today posseses it
No. Nat at all. Because if he didn’t have daas Torah when he said that he doesn’t have daas Torah then he does have daas Torah.
So then he really doesn’t have daas Torah. So then he really does have daas Torah. So then he really doesn’t have daas Torah. So then he really does have daas Torah. So then he really doesn’t have daas Torah. So then he really <<OUT OF RIBBON>>
Charlie: according to you the mishna in Pirkei Avos Asei lecha rav is expired?
Squeak: Those comments were in reference to Paskening like Beis Shammai Le’asid Lavo, not about the quote from the Rav.
Mods: Why do you let people get away with calling him “edited“?
C’mon, Sam. You really think VaYakhel Moshe made up that we’re going to follow Bais Shammai after Moshiach, and that the concept didn’t predate him? If it took you years to find that, perhaps you need to spend some more years looking back further.
The Mikdash Melech quotes it from the Arizal:
http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33970&st=&pgnum=156
“Asei lecha rav is expired”
Why would you think that I would think that? It does go against the grain of the way daas torah is usually interpreted though.
Charlieh: “We modern orthodox don’t believe in Daas Torah because Rav Soloveitchik z’tz’l told us not to.”
If you don’t believe in daas torah, I assume you believe the concept expired, as in not shayach in 2016. Doesn’t asei lecha rav = daas torah?
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