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October 29, 2010 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #592822crdleMember
I just don’t get it, ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet, so how come I see so many frum ppl at blockbuster, and getting netflix?!?!?! or ppl who talk about the shows they watched online? What’s the diefference if your watching your show on fox.com or if u actually have a flat screen on the wall with a cable box to watch it? just food for thought….
October 29, 2010 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #704926SJSinNYCMemberNothing but hypocrisy.
October 29, 2010 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #704927SacrilegeMemberGood Q!
This way you can filter what it is you are bringing in.
*Waiting to be yelled at*
October 29, 2010 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #704928tzippiMemberI’m not endorsing this, but crdle (cradle? curdle? craindle?), do you know what they’re getting?
And avoiding commercials and trailers for other shows these days is no kleinikeit.
October 29, 2010 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #704929crdleMemberlol Sacrilege, i think we should be friends, u sound like a funny girl! sorry lady! lol. I’m telling u, i was parked outside the BB, and I saw from the other movie store next to it, 2 really yeshivish guys come out with movies in their hands, I was blown away! it’s weird
October 29, 2010 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #704930hashemsprincessMemberTHERE IS NO DIFF, THEY ARE FOOLING THEMSELVES..
Please princess, drop the all-caps
October 29, 2010 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #704931SJSinNYCMembertzippi, watching TV shows on fox.com or wherever instead of fox does not eliminate commercials.
October 29, 2010 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #704932HelpfulMemberTzippi, there are no contemporary kosher general movies.
October 29, 2010 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #704933SacrilegeMemberSJS
There is a way to do it (altho if you are already watching the show, I dont think the commercials are really bothering you)
Helpful
Thats a blanket statement.
October 29, 2010 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #704934WolfishMusingsParticipantTzippi, there are no contemporary kosher general movies.
I saw “The Bear” a while back. To my knowledge, there was not one un-kosher thing in it (aside from the bear himself, of course 🙂 ). The entire human cast was male and the only identifiable female character at all was the bear’s mother.
The Wolf
October 29, 2010 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #704935HelpfulMemberWolf: How many fingers do you need to count all the movies without female characters (or even kosher attired female characters) in movies that came out in the past 30 years?
October 29, 2010 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #704936SJSinNYCMemberHow Sac? Without stealing the content which is a whole nother ballgame.
October 29, 2010 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #704937SacrilegeMemberNo.
On ABC.com you dont have to go through the commercials you can just click on the next set.
October 29, 2010 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #704938gavra_at_workParticipantppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet so how come I see so many frum ppl at blockbuster, and getting netflix?!?!?!
Why is this hypocrisy?
They don’t believe it is a problem. To obey the letter of what they signed, they don’t have a TV.
(Note: The schools/yeshivos where I am don’t make you sign anything (that I am aware of)).
October 29, 2010 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #704939squeakParticipantHelpful, in the last 30 years? I can think of plenty. There have always been movies that crossed the line, but the line was much clearer in the 80s- i.e. gratuity was carefully avoided in certain genres. I can remember the director of one particular movie talking about how he glued the clothes onto his actors and actresses for a scene that involved rolling across the ground to ensure that the clothing did not ride up on film.
October 29, 2010 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #704940WolfishMusingsParticipantWolf: How many fingers do you need to count all the movies without female characters (or even kosher attired female characters) in movies that came out in the past 30 years?
Doesn’t matter. You said there were no such movies. I contend that there is at least one (which I have shown) and probably more.
The Wolf
October 29, 2010 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #704941tuchscreenMemberwhy do frum people go to movie theaters
October 29, 2010 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #704942aries2756ParticipantThey are not fooling themselves, they are fooling the schools. You can also be selective with the TV and the internet. You can also put parental locks on the tv and locks on the cable boxes. You can also put locks on your bedroom doors, etc. You can also rent a dvd player ONLY when you rent a Jewish video or dvd.
Schools should also MIND their own business and put some faith and trust in the parents. They should have more communication with the parents and less rules. There should be more conferences and workshops with parents and with parents together with kids and less rules and chumras. Work on midos tovos for all involved and stop telling parents what they can and can’t do. Work together as a team to produce the happiest and most productive and successful yiddishe neshomos. Stop forcing parents and kids to lie. Stop raising the bar so that everyone just walks under it instead of aspiring to reach it.
October 29, 2010 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #704943tuchscreenMemberto produce successful yiddishe neshomos you have to get rid of the TV !!!!!!
October 29, 2010 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #704944squeakParticipantOh, and to answer the OP, renting a TV probably costs a lot more and is much more difficult to carry.
October 29, 2010 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #704945gavra_at_workParticipantto produce successful yiddishe neshomos you have to get rid of the TV !!!!!!
To play devil’s advocate, prove it.
October 29, 2010 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #704946YW Moderator-80Memberif you open a flowing sewage line into your living room, the King will not enter to dwell there. even if you choose only the best sewage.
prove this!
October 29, 2010 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #704947apushatayidParticipant“ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet”
The mesivta and yeshiva ketana my boys attend and the girls school my daughter attends do not make anyone sign anything.
the schools send home a letter stating the school policy and the possible reprecussions if owning a tv or watching videos becomes detrimental to the chinuch of any child.
October 29, 2010 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #704948real-briskerMembercrdle – What the diffrence what type of guys they were? Whats the diffrence of they were yishivish or not?
October 29, 2010 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #704949SJSinNYCMemberMod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies. Which is fine if you want to take that route, but then owning a computer that allows you to watch TV shows or movies, is a defacto “TV” or “dvd player.”
October 29, 2010 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #704950gavra_at_workParticipantif you open a flowing sewage line into your living room, the King will not enter to dwell there. even if you choose only the best sewage.
You know I don’t like arguing with Mods.
Anyone else? (If you quote the same line, I will respond why the Mashel is invalid.)
I don’t own a TV, this is just Devil’s advocate.
October 29, 2010 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #704951SJSinNYCMemberWell, if we can find one kosher item on TV, then it no longer is a sewage line. More like a water line that needs filtering.
October 29, 2010 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #704952YW Moderator-80MemberMod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies.
yes but not “clean” as you define it
when it comes to the Holy Jewish Neshama any values, and ways of thought that are not Torah pollutes
October 29, 2010 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #704953YW Moderator-80Memberif you pour some pure water into a sewage line, it is still a sewage line
October 29, 2010 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #704954gavra_at_workParticipantand ways of thought that are not Torah pollutes
I’m not disagreeing with you, but that is a prior assumption.
(Just pointing it out:-)
October 29, 2010 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #704955SJSinNYCMemberWhat if they are broadcasting shiurim on TV? On a totally kosher channel with shiurim all day long.
Granted, I realize you disagree with the premise of TV in general which is totally fine with me. But there are currently programs on TV that are perfectly fine. I just think its hypocritical when people say “Oh I don’t have a TV I’m so holy.” and judge me for showing my son Mickey Mouse, but they play their kids Elmo DVDs. Sorry, that aint holier.
October 29, 2010 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #704956tuchscreenMemberif there is a box in your house all you have to do is push a button and you could see EVERYTHING hashem doesnt want to see wats in that box but your kids do
October 29, 2010 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #704957SJSinNYCMemberMod80, with a proper filter on your sewage or water line, water goes from “rancid” to “pure” or at least “acceptable.” Hence why people filter their internet.
There is enough clean, quality programming that I watch that for me its not a sewage line. For you, I understand why you think so.
October 29, 2010 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #704958apushatayidParticipantSome people believe that pouring sewage into a water line makes it a defacto sewage line. I think that is the crux of the debate here.
October 29, 2010 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #704959tuchscreenMemberyou dont mind a regular flood inyour house with just “water”
October 29, 2010 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #704960squeakParticipantIf that is the crux of the debate then none of these people would have internet either. Because a computer connected to the internet has everything that a TV has, plus more. There is the same sewage in your cable connection whether the device on your end is a TV or a PC.
October 29, 2010 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #704961YW Moderator-80Memberclean, quality programming
i see sj you kindly wish to find a point of compromised agreement with me. thank you.
our real point of disagreement is your phrase above.
i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.
im not talking about the lewd immoral content that is so ubiquitous and pervasive all over the programming including commercials and the news.
October 29, 2010 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #704962apushatayidParticipantand some people can deal with a little sewage seepage rather easily.
October 29, 2010 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #704963SJSinNYCMemberMod-80, please explain to me how Mickey Mouse helping my son learn colors and shapes is not clean, quality programming. Please tell me what immoral goyish values, thoughts, attitudes and feelings come through from a mouse saying “What shape is that?”
Tuchscreen, we all have water pipes in our house. We have valves and faucets to control it.
October 29, 2010 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #704964gavra_at_workParticipanti dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.
This is also not a disagreement but….
This is the very crux of the “Charaidei” movement.
“I can’t have any contact with outside society because it may invite sewage that can ruin my holy neshama.”
Just replace the word “TV” with “non toiradik”.
That is your intent anyway, no?
October 29, 2010 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #704965apushatayidParticipant“i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.”
Kind of funny coming from someone who works (paid or unpaid) for a website.
October 29, 2010 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #704966YW Moderator-80Memberimmoral goyish values, thoughts, attitudes and feelings
i did not have the word immoral in that phrase, that was the crux of my entire point
and yes i dont see anything wrong with a mouse asking “what shape is that?”
October 29, 2010 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #704967apushatayidParticipantTalking mice? Must be something hashkafically wrong with that 🙂
On that note. Time to get ready for shabbos.
October 29, 2010 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #704968SJSinNYCMemberAh ok, an addition of mine. But if you don’t have a problem with a mouse saying “What shape is this?” then do you not object to Mickey Mouse?
October 29, 2010 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #704969YW Moderator-80Memberyoure correct pusheta i am exposing myself to a lot of goyish values by moderating this website.
October 29, 2010 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #704970YW Moderator-80Memberyes gavra that was sort of my intent
October 29, 2010 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #704971SJSinNYCMemberActually, the crux of the argument was wether a computer with internet access where you watch TV or DVDs is any better than a regular TV.
October 29, 2010 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #704972gavra_at_workParticipantyes gavra that was sort of my intent
OK, thanks.
October 29, 2010 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #704973mw13Participant“Mod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies. Which is fine if you want to take that route, but then owning a computer that allows you to watch TV shows or movies, is a defacto “TV” or “dvd player.””
The internet is often filtered and controlled, whereas TV is usually not.
October 29, 2010 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #704974squeakParticipantYou can’t argue from both sides of the fence. If having an internet enabled computer is OK because of the clean and harmless content, then once you admit a TV has some clean and harmless content you’re stuck. You can’t be selective if you use that logic.
If you stick with what you said originally, that TV has NO clean content, you are consistent. But then others can say that they find clean and harmless content and you can argue no further.
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