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If Kshmo Kein Hu is concerned about the high fees of Shadchonus, & I certain concur with his concern; & I too concur with the fact that Shadchonim are being overworked;
So here is the solution which cuts down an incredible amount of work for the Shadchonim, as well as saves the young couple {&/or their parents} an incredible amount of green paper {A.K.A. $}:- Go on line to Frumster &/or Orthodate, and find a Shidduch there. The approximately $18/momth membership fee, is a steal compared to real Shadchonus fee.
KKH/YC/GEFEN
Suree seems like the Rabbonim and R”Y who put their name to the program see things a bit differently than you….
well az, they obviously do, but that doesn’t mean that ppl have to agree with it. when these same rabbonim get called that ppl are not able to pay their bills and they need a loan/tzedakka money yada yada yada, maybe they will rethink the program and get rid of the craziness…
or they should announce that this program is only for rich. which apparently seems to be the case anyway. and not only that, but more importantly like kshmo kein hu said, you are demeaning the worth of the girls. putting a price tag on us? how disgusting and lowly!
AZ:
WHICH Rabbonim said the ECONOMIC/COST structure of this new NASI program is a good idea?
Names please.
AZ,
For every Rav that endorsed the project, I am sure there are two who do not. I know a few quite personally.
We have many sources of Daas Torah today Baruch Hashem. We have the liberty to stand up for what we feel is right, and to speak against what we feel is a threat to our mesorah. And in this case we have the same backing of Rabbonim that you do. So please, stop hiding behind the names on your ad. Throughout our history, we had leaders who disagreed on certain issues, and both sides had followings.
We are doing nothing wrong by standing up for our values. You do not frighten me.
Not looking to frighten anyone. Surely there are many views and legitimate opitions. I for one have yet to encounter a Rov/Rosh Yeshiva of stature who felt the program should not be launched, but then again i certainly haven’t spoken to every person who has a right to a opinion (thought i have spoken to many many).
Might there be out there- surely. Have i met them nope. To the best of my knowledge has anyone associated with the program met them- nope.
Are there many many others who thinks it’s a wonderful idea, but for variouls reasons declined to put there name on a ad, most certainly.
btw i’m not sure what you mean
“I am sure there are two who do not. I know a few quite personally.”
are you sure as in you are guessing, or do you know personally.
have said rabbonim bothered to contact the project to discuss it with them. Afterall the program looks for any input it can get.
Have YOU bothered to contact and share your feelings?
AZ: The 70 Rabbonim did not endorse this. They simply agreed that the age gap was an issue. So why are you trying to bowtrow KKH with the implication they have endorsed what they never endorsed, with your false comment of “the Rabbonim and R”Y who put their name to the program see things a bit different than you…”
The Rabbonim and R”Y did NOT put their name to this new program.
Farrocks:
Their names where printed in the papers on full page ads.
Feel free to do your research.
Or contact the program. I’m sure they’ll send you a copy of the ad for your files. (i’m not going to make it so easy for you).
Will the real NASI please stand up.
First you promoted that boys date older girls and paid the shadchanim to promote it.
This received Rabbinical endorsements which you are still using to this day. (see recent ads in papers)
When you couldn’t find the money to honor those commitments, the project was abandoned and the parents were blamed.
Then you had merchants sponsor your organization.
Now you are run a program to get the girls or the parents to pay an outrageous amount, which has only been documented with anonymous accolades.
The time has come for the Rabbonim to close your organization down.
AZ ” (i’m not going to make it so easy for you).” – WOW! – what a nice way for a representative of the organization to speak!!! That will really make ppl want to join.
eman – AMEN!
Kshmo Kein Hu:
Well said!
eman:
By all means. Go start the petition….
Let me know how much traction you get.
and now i’ll comment on your post.
First you promoted that boys date older girls and paid the shadchanim to promote it.
incorrect:
The goal of the first program was to edcuate a country about a concept called age gap. Shadchanim weren’t paid to promote it. Shadhcanim who made shidduchim, many of which had no idea about the program until after the engagmenet, were paid. simply becasue it was a good marketing technique to get peole to talk about the concpet of close in age marriages.
This received Rabbinical endorsements which you are still using to this day. (see recent ads in papers)
incorrect:
Thre recent ad from 70 R”Y never mentions nasi nor any program NASI ever ran.
The ad about the newest progarm listed (6 or 9 i don’t remeber) rabboinim and R”Y who explicityly endorsed the newset program where girls or their parents put money in a escrow like setting to be spent only after the girls walks down the aislt.
When you couldn’t find the money to honor those commitments, the project was abandoned and the parents were blamed.
partially correct:
Fundraising for the first progarm got difficult, and a decision was made to close down that program 6 months in the future. When shadhcanim got taken advantage of by parents, there was no choice but to close it down effective immedaitely so as not to hurt the shadcahnim.
Then you had merchants sponsor your organization.
incorrect:
you are proably reffering to short lived not that effective program where stores signed up to offer discuount to families of close in age shidducim. (not sure if that’s what you mean by merchants sponsoring the org). No mechants ever gave a wooden nickel to the org.
Now you run a program to get the girls or the parents to pay an outrageous amount, which has only been documented with anonymous accolades.
incorrect:
see above that a ad was run in the paper listed well known rabbonim and R”Y by name who endorsed that exact program.
The time has come for the Rabbonim to close your organization down.
By all means.
Just before you do,
you might want to speak to
Montreal,
Toronto
Monsey
Chicago
Flatbush
Far Rockaway
Lawrence
Kew gardens
They are all running nasi community based program geared to generating shadhcan attention for the young women in the community who didn’t just start dating.
B”h the progarms have been amazingly succesful, and by and large the singles in the communtiy don’t even know about the progarms!!
AZ- sorry but you losing this argument
listen everyone understands you are trying to help…but you have to be willing to admit the faults of your program
eman The time has come for the Rabbonim to close your organization down.
If Shidduchim arent made, the proof of the pudding, “the initiative” will die a natural death, iyH.
Poor girls will then cry a little less.
and iy”h when the shidduchim are made….
dates are happening…
plenty of them…
it’s only a matter of time until the engagements start coming…
AZ,
“btw i’m not sure what you mean
‘I am sure there are two who do not. I know a few quite personally.’
are you sure as in you are guessing, or do you know personally.”
What I meant was that I know a number of Rabbonim who are against the program, the “I am sure” was only on my speculation that the number of Rabbonim who are against it outnumber those who are for it. I thought that was clear.
And yes, I have bothered to share my feelings. The response I got was rude, attacking, and left me more unimpressed than ever. But I wasn’t going to air that grievance in this forum. Thanks for asking though.
why don’t you post the dialogue so the CR can see how you were “attacked”. If it was via email it should be as easy as cut and paste.
I don’t wish to embarrass you. Trust me.
And if you are who I think you are I’m not even sure why you would suggest that.
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