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Does anyone have a source for the Heter for robocallers and telemarketers to call our homes? Why isin’t it ginavas daas especially since they often mask their actual numbers.
Which clear cut issur in Shulchan Aruch do they violate?
There is no issur that I know of since robocalls for charitable organizations are exempt from “The Do Not Call” list. However, I too am annoyed by these calls and I hope that the organizations end this practice. One method might be that if you receive a robocall and a mailing from the same organization you can send back the envelope with a note stating “I received a robocall from your organization. I do not donate to organizations that resort to robocalls”.
Depending on the type of telemarketer you can sue them for each violation assuming u are on a do not call list. Call the FCC and ask them or look on line.
Switch to VoIP and block numbers that robocall.
Charities are generally exempt from do not call lists
How is it gneivas da’as?
… and how is a tzedaka bittul zman?
It’s not only tzedakas that call. A couple of years ago, I was getting robocalls from a frum furniture store. The worst part was that they tied up the line even when I hung up on them, which is not only illegal, it’s also dangerous. There’s a simple solution to the robocall problem: if you don’t recognize the caller ID, don’t answer. If it’s important the caller will leave a message,
I don’t see how masking their number is g’neivas da’as.
If you see that a number is blocked, why would you make any assumptions about who is calling (other than assuming it’s not someone that you know)?
You know once upon a time there was no such thing as caller ID.
If you see that a number is blocked, why would you make any assumptions about who is calling
They have a private person’s name come up.
“They have a private person’s name come up.”
I’ve never seen Jewish/tzedakas do that. Spoofed Caller ID is generally done by many shady secular telemarketers and bill collectors.
They have a private person’s name come up
1) What Joseph said
2) Who cares what number shows up? If it’s not a number that you recognize, what difference does it make whether it’s their number or someone else’s number? Unless you’re saying that they find people that you know and use their numbers, but I doubt they do that.
The newest trick from the secular telemarketers is to spoof a local number in your exchange. So if your number is 718-376-2250, they might spoof 718-376-2945. This confuses many people into thinking it’s a local caller.
Again, I’ve only seen this with secular organizations.
What Joseph said
He’s wrong. I’ve gotten it from telemarketers collecting for mosdos.
what difference does it make whether it’s their number or someone else’s number?
If I think it might be my child’s friend, etc., I would answer. If I would know it’s a telemarketer, I wouldn’t.
The newest trick from the secular telemarketers is to spoof a local number in your exchange.
This I have only seen by secular telemarketers.
“They have a private person’s name come up.”
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“He’s wrong. I’ve gotten it from telemarketers collecting for mosdos.”The “private person’s name” that the mosdos fundraisers are displaying on your caller ID is in all likelihood the caller’s actual home phone number that he’s calling you from (on behalf of the mosod.) As such it makes sense that you’d see a private person’s name. And that is above board.
The “private person’s name” that the mosdos fundraisers are displaying on your caller ID is in all likelihood the caller’s actual home phone number that he’s calling you from
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t.
And that is above board.
Maybe if it’s a volunteer. Not if it’s a professional telemarketer.
That’s not to say it’s g’neivas daas, which is a technical halachic term, and I’m not qualified to determine that.
It’s just a bit shady, in my opinion.
Joseph,
Telemarketers or scammers spoofed my wife’s number, and she got a call back from a stranger wondering why she had called them… But she never had.
But she never had.
So she claims.
Avram, I’ve read horror stories from people who telemarketing crooks spoofed their number and they got dozens or hundreds of angry callers calling them back; people he obviously never called. Eventually they sometimes change their number, with no other alternative.
There is no mitzva to answer the phone. Telemarketer is banking on your curiosity. Worse, when you answer, your number is tagged in their database as a number with a human that answers and you will be called again. Best thing to do is pick up phone but do not say a word, they use voice recognition software to flag live respondent, this is why there is a delay After you pick up and human gets on line. After a few times of “dead air”, your number is flagged as one not to call back for a while.
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I think the best and safest way for us to deal with them is by ignoring calls from number we don’t recognize. If you sure the caller is telemarketer or debt collector, and your number has been on the DNC list, then just report the number and let the government do the rest. I just read a nice article that might be useful for us at (sorry no links) Hope it helps.
The first time that I took a job as a telemarketer, I asked a sheilah and was told that it was muttar, and I’m almost 100% certain that it was not for a tzedaka organization. It was for a Frum organization, but it was a business, not a tzedaka.
The only time I had a yashrus issue with a telemarketing job was the one time I worked for a goyish place, and I felt like they were deliberately taking advantage of people, and possibly being dishonest as well, although it was hard to tell if there was any clear- cut dishonesty going on. That time, I asked a sheilah and was told to quit.
“Joseph,
Telemarketers or scammers spoofed my wife’s number, and she got a call back from a stranger wondering why she had called them… But she never had.”That’s really interesting, because I recently called back a “missed call” from my phone, and reached an answering machine with a message saying that they hadn’t called me, and that a scammer had spoofed their number and they were getting hundreds of calls from people who thought they had called them.
I thought it was probably a lie, because it sounded so strange, but I guess it wasn’t.
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