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This is controversial and Im aware of it. However I was wondering what you people think and if anyone knows if any Rabbanim have spoken about this. I want to know Halachically and or Hashkafically.
Is it a lack of Tznius in some way? I cant put my finger on it but when I noticed some girls chewing gum I also noticed that many of these same girls are usually of a more modern type (or dress that way) and it comes off as an attitude like I think Im cool I think Im all that.
Yes, it does look nauseating and not tziusdik especially when they chew and talk. This is a “krenk” that is obvious in all types and one cannot finger modern looking only.
In B.Y.H.S. of old with teachers who were students of Sara Schneirer some made us put the gum on the bridge of our noses for a while, as punishment. Some commented too that we were obviously Jewish and kosher and did not have to chew our cud!!!
Personally, it’s one question on my shidduch questionairre, along with nail polish!!!!(if found that any of the above are on girls agendea, they are not for my son/grandson)
Here’s what I think:
No, it’s not a lack of tznius.
We shouldn’t be looking for things to outlaw if there’s no reason to.
We shouldn’t assume that people of a “more modern type” have an attitude of “I think I’m cool”.
We should stop trying to figure people out based on observing them for a few seconds.
is someone here looking to outlaw people chewing gum?
MP- I am sorry to disagree with you but he is not assuming anything just saying that the girls that he sees chewing gum in public are the ones that are dressed more modern. they choose to be viewed that way. they bought the clothing.
I would never chew older chewing gum gross!
it is nausating but it doesn’t make it wrong… its just so gross!!!!
Can someone here please consistently look for the good in Am Yisrael rather than finding things about which to be consistently critical?
Please learn the many stories of R Levi Yittzchak m’Berditchev and share with us the lessons.
TIA
I personally think it looks bad. But that being said, I don’t project my views on other people, so I don’t tell people “don’t chew gum in the street.” I simply refrain for myself.
Furthermore, in my view, this should be an issue that crosses genders and should not apply any more to girls than it does to boys.
The Wolf
Why not put up a proclamation in Yiddish on 13th Ave
Maybe they’re on a diet and chewing gum so they won’t be eating something else? Or maybe they just ate a meal that had garlic or onions in it and want to freshen their mouth. If they’re chewing it with their mouth closed and not blowing bubbles or crackin it loud, I think there is absoultely nothing wrong with it
Because the people that do this tend to not understand yiddish.
so now the op has implied he wants to outlaw this practice, he should put up proclamations stating so, and some posters would not tell people to stop this practice.
doesnt anyone know how to read? or is it just so self-satisfying to disagree with other posters?
its just fun!!!!
but some posters disagree and would not tell people to stop this practice.
I indicated a response to the OP’s question. I do not think this is a “tznius” matter (as it relates to girls’ behavior vs. boys’ behavior).
The Wolf
who said anything about telling them to stop?
who said anything about telling them to stop?
I edited my response while you put this up.
The Wolf
adorable, I understand that, and perhaps he is right. But isn’t it also possible that these girls just grew up modern, and aren’t necessarily dressing that way to tell people “I’m cool”, but rather are dressing that way because they’ve always dressed that way? I just don’t like judging people. If WIY knows however that these girls ARE dressing that way to say “I’m cool”, then I am wrong, and I apologize.
I think its an attitude that he picks up from watch them (not that he should be doing that either but whatever)
Wolf – some of the readers/posters here have a hashkafic problem with leading and educating by personal example rather than by assering, prohibiting, and ostracizing.
WIY – really? chewing gum in the street is modernish? I could understand if you said something like listening to an ipod, or texting, (on weekdays :)) or even ch’v talking to boys. That would make sense. But chewing gum?
My husband did not like it when I chewed gum so I stopped. It is for sure not a refined thing to do but if it is done quietly and without blowing bubbles and cracking it I think it’s okay. we have worse things to worry about, unfortunately.
chewing gum older than teenagers?blech!
I do sometimes see these girls that have become cooler than their original code of law, find it cool to chew gum very loud. IF you ask me I think it looks bad and is absolutely disgusting… ha, So much for looking cool..
i really dont understand the problem
and wats wrong with trying to be cool
alot of people in here base their opinions on persoal life experiences and their own journey.you kno who you are. fact is its an association. just like maybe people with bushy eyebrows and a long nose are assumed to be mean. its a siman not a siba, what? but i still think it looks crude and grubbe.
I never understood why the signs are posted in Yiddish, Although I did see a sign on Lee Ave in Both Yiddish AND English
and wats wrong with trying to be cool
its dishonest. people should be themselves and not somebody else
are you trying to say there are some ppl who are inherintly cool and thats it? and if a nerdy person wants to try it out for a little while he cant? o and please explain to me wats dishonest about it
As Yidden, we should be doing everything possible to reflect our lofty madrega. We must keep in mind that we represent HaKadosh Baruch Hu. I’m not saying chewing gum is right or wrong, but we need to realize that their is an ideal and proper way for every aspect of our lives – how we eat, speak, act, and think, what we look at, listen to, follow, smell, etc. Remember, we are enjoined to be kadosh. BH we are kadosh! The Ribono Shel Olam created worlds innumerable – solar systems, galaxies, stars, planets, multitudes of melachim beyond number, plant and animal species beyond comprehension, billions of human beings throughout history. And, out of all of this, who does He have? Who does He cherish above all else? Us, Klal Yisrael. I hope this message reaches your hearts and we work to improve ourselves in all aspects of our lives. If not for your sake or my sake, then for the sake of Avinu Sh’b’Shamayim Who for our sake and our sake alone brought creation into existence.
frumster22 its not cool to try to be cool.if a nerdy person wanted to be himself hed be qualified as cool
moskidoodle, thats your opinion your prob. cool how do you think the nerds feel
Do it in private. I used to smoke and occasionally I will chew gum if I get very desperate. However, I do so at my desk only. If I need something on the street, which I rarely do since I never smoked outdoors and just did it to concentrate on work, I have a couple of hard candies.
Chewing gum is as masculine as smoking.
as a mashal- i know this is an exageration- its meant to drive home the point of having yiddish sensetivities- wearing shorts to kol nidrei on yom kippur isnt ossur, right? but you still wouldnt do it. sensetivities.
its not tsnius .who know’s what tsnius and what not nobody !! evrybody have to know for her is it a bad thing or not its no ruls no diegrem and no chart(sure every body have to do what her comunity is doing school rules) but about this kind of things its just about you and god this about you to know if you are doing a right thing or not but about other pepole how to look on it is that not this issue the issue is why dos this girl have the guts do to this a thing what pepole are looking on this like not a nice thing and you are doing this shows on other things thats what they think
i hate to play haifagirl but-yic- what?
So let me get this right.
It’s NOT “tzniusdik” to chew gum but it IS “tzniusdik” to scrutinize females… “I noticed some girls chewing gum I also noticed that many of these same girls are usually of a more modern type (or dress that way)”
Olam hafuch hu.
And can we please TRY to catch someone doing something right?
I don’t like to get into controversial topics, but this is what I’ll say. There’s a certain why to conduct yourself on the streets whether you’re a frum girl a frum boy, or a secular boy or girl. Chewing gum loudly or while talking is rude and can look disgusting, but that has nothing to do with being a frum girl. It’s called being a person. In my opinion, this is not a tznius issue. It’s manners. And I don’t think it’s appropriate to stereotype “modern” girls. Like Imaofthree said, we have bigger things to worry about.
MiddlePath, I agree that we shouldn’t judge people based on how they dress. I’m guilty of doing this, too.
I also think girls (and guys) need to have some fun instead of constantly looking over their shoulder to make sure no one is “studying” them.
yossi2468, you better be joking or I’ll crawl through my screen and slap you across the face 😉
The OP saw a problem, and brought it to the klal’s attention. That is the appropriate thing to do.
Of course there are people doing things right, but who cares about THEM?
Anyway, this whole noticing females thing has been exploited so many times its getting boring. Thats just the way some people are and by “some” i mean half the people. technically 49%, i think and the shidduch crisis alarmists will tell you the percentage of men is more like 10%. either way, it doesnt NECESSARILY mean his view on the things he sees is krum.
I don’t see anything untzniyus about chewing gum. I also don’t think it’s “nausating” or “cool”. It’s just something to chew on, for crying out loud.
Queenie: (I am taking you up on your offer of being allowed to call you Queenie). you can give him potch from me as well. He says “this is so important in our time”. I guess the fact that over 50 percent of young Jewish adults are intermarrying and that the fighting continues in Eretz Yisroel aren’t so important. But, chewing gum (for the record, I think it looks terrible) is a big deal.
It says in the Talmud you should not eat in the street
toi? what are you asking ?
Mods, was my post not permitted to be posted? Just want to know for future reference. Or did my post simply get lost because I turned my computer off immediately after posting it?
IT WAS DELETED
Honestly, you have nothing better to worry about?!
I give you a bracha that this should be your biggest and hardest thing you have to worry about forever!!
It has nothing to do with tznius, and everything to do with looking unattractive. People should take a video of their loved ones chewing gum, and show it back to them. They may not realize how they look.
But as someone pointed out correctly, they might be on a diet, or have a dry mouth, or any other reason for chewing gum. It is not our business,and we have enough issurim that we want our kids to follow without imposing additional restrictions on them.
BTW, would you feel the same way about rebbeim who chewed tobacco?
Firstly I didnt read all the posts so I apologize if I’m repeating anyone’s post.
I dont think chewing gum is a tznius issue – it’s just not refined – and makes the person look like a cow. Also I don’t think ppl chew gum cuz it’s cool – everyone knows it’s not. I think most ppl chew gum cuz they like having fresh breath, or cuz they are on a diet and chewing gum is great for that (it keeps the metabolism working).
People, please don’t think too deaply into things – most people don’t do things cuz they intentionally want to b bad. In fact most people don’t think so much wen they do things. it’s all the onlookers being judgemental.
There are enough complicated things in life – we don’t need to add more.
“The gum-chewing girl
And cud-chewing cow
Look quite alike
And what is the difference?
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