Technically tznius, but…

What are the halachos of Purim that falls out on Rosh Chodesh?

it can because there’s no rosh on purim

It can’t because lo adu rosh

Also, yaknehaz.

I think that if you wear a clowns suit you would probably get men’s attention

People can completely follow Halacha and still not dress modestly. There’s nothing assur about that. I had a teacher who always said we need to stop making sensitivities into Halachos. For example, denim, 4 inches past the knee, etc

What happens when you have (men’s) clothing that will attract women’s attention?

It’s called naval b’rishus hatorah, which is a fancy way of saying that technically it is mutar but really shouldn’t be done l’ma’aseh. Don’t do it.

Halacha is you’re supposed to do your best not to look. She did her best but where’s your effort?

observer-

I grew up yeshivish and still am yeshivish, but the way the women dress today is a nisayon for EVERYBODY. Whether they admit it or not, it’s a nisayon. BIG TIME. Women are revealing body parts that have been covered forever. Yes, even yeshivisha women are doing it. Come to my neighborhood, you’ll see a typical yeshivisha guy with the unkempt beard and dirty eyeglasses walking with his wife dressed like you wouldn’t believe; short, tight, etc. The scary part is, the younger generation of women are growing up with this, and they’re thinking it’s normal.

Frum

His point is that people got used to dressing untznius to the point that they don’t even realize what they are doing. I live in boro park which generally is better than other neighborhoods well generally but not always I was surprised to see a woman with 2 sweet looking Bais yakov girls neither older than ten or so dressed in uniform looking like eidel BY girls and mom is wearing a skirt that while standing is at least an inch above the beginning of the knee from the top. Extremely untznius skirt and there are others like her out there. I have grown tired posting about this topic because it’s getting worse and the people who can do something about it are not reading these threads. I’m assuming most of the posters here keep hilchos tznius properly therefore we are preaching to the choir.

fkelly– ur teacher didnt mean not to keep those things- no denim or 4inches.. girls have to be taught what is really halacha and what are sensitivities than they can choose for themleves what they want. halacha says the entire knee must be covered in all posotions so the rabanim said only a skirt that is 4 inches below the knee can do that (which is true). denim is no halacha but it does say bchukosehem lo telechu- dont follw in their ways- goyim. which all of the in style ppl can fall into that issur. why does everyone get stuck on the little details. hashem wants whats best for us why do we think we know better and try to get away with the most we could and act like goyim

“halacha says the entire knee must be covered in all posotions so the rabanim said only a skirt that is 4 inches below the knee can do that (which is true).”

How do you know? I have plenty of skirts which completely cover my knees without being four inches below my knee.

Yatzmich – No you can’t! Making blanket denigrating comments about the “typical” yeshivish person is bad. If you have nasty comments about your own hygiene, I wouldn’t object as much.

keepitcoming – bchukosehem lo selechu is followed just as much by the not in style people: a. the style is just an older goyishe style; b. there are many goyim who don’t care about style. What must follow is that jews must care about style? Also, fyi goyim eat and breathe. stop doing that. R’ Moshe has a tshuva explaining what bchukoseihem means. It doesn’t cover denim. Denim is strong, cheap, and comfortable material. It sounds like a very informed person who dresses in such clothing.

Back to the OP – I too have always heard many people claim that men think differently then women. Do men really have different eyes then women? Or is it just another way that society tries to control women?

The scary part is, the younger generation of women are growing up with this, and they’re thinking it’s normal.

I’d give this comment a standing ovation

@PBA – I know that men and women are wired differently, but to what extent? I’ve heard people say really odd things of why we shouldn’t dress in specific ways cuz of men’s thoughts, and things just don’t add up! Are men from a totally different species??

Hey! Venus isn’t too far. And I love how men always take something that could have potentially been an insult and change it around completely. It has always impressed me.

I’m a man. You heard it from me.

Do you expect your brother or a guy you met to admit to it?

writersoul: Notice that keepitcoming pointed out that it has to be so “in all positions”. Is that still the case?

frumnotyeshivish: What Yatzmich described of short and tight definitely IS a violation.

Writersoul

Its not about inches. The point is that if when you are sitting and the skirt rides up and doesnt cover your whole knee the skirt is too short. For most girls it may be 4 inches, for some it may be more for some it may be less.

OK, I know you guys run differently, but how different could that be already?!?! We are told don’t do this cuz men think that, and don’t wear this cuz it makes men think about this… If you would hear what we women are told about you, you would probably be ashamed.

Ladies, the people and and sem teachers who are telling you how men think don’t, themselves, have a clue how men think. To hear them, and some of the posters here, tell it men apparently think of little else. I’m surprised that men remember to eat. The fact is that the great majority of men don’t have “evil thoughts” when they see women going about their business. You all just dress and behave in a way that conforms to normative halacha and don’t worry about what men may be thinking.

Redleg

Men have an instantaneous mental reaction to a woman they find attractive. Its not by choice. Hashem created us this way. You are a woman so you can’t understand. I guess its the same way we can never really understand some womens need to dress in a way that cheapens them.