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November 13, 2016 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #618680LightbriteParticipant
Is there a formal program in Jewish schools teach children about the dangers of drugs?
Do Jewish children and teens know that using drugs like marijuana causes brain damage?
Please note: Let’s stick to the education system here please. I am not talking about medicinal use or politics. Just the facts about the real effects of using illegal substances.
Alcohol education can also apply here. Or is it not taught that even alcohol in some cases also causes brain damage?
If people aren’t watching those tv specials on the dangers of drug use, where do they learn that drugs are unhealthy and damaging to their health and neshamahs?
Hopefully they have D.A.R.E. or something equivalent.
November 13, 2016 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1192251👑RebYidd23ParticipantLegal drugs are just as bad.
November 13, 2016 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1192252Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantWhat are legal drugs? Tylenol?
November 13, 2016 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1192253👑RebYidd23ParticipantNitrous, nicotine.
November 13, 2016 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1192254LightbriteParticipant“Legal drugs are just as bad.”
This thread is asking how Jews who are educated in Jewish schools, as opposed to public schools, are taught that drug abuse is “bad,” as you said (RebYidd23).
Abusing legal drugs is indeed unhealthy and can be “just as bad” as illegal drugs (RebYidd23).
November 13, 2016 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #1192255LightbriteParticipantLet’s return to the question please.
Again please
, we are not talking about someone taking anxiety meds one time a day per doctor’s instructions sans addiction. The same goes for Tylenol for a fever. Nor is this thread about someone with no history or vulnerability to an addiction drinking one glass of wine at a kiddish every Shabbos.The question again, for anyone who cares to stay on topic please:
Do Jewish children or adults know the effects of abusing drugs, regardless of their legality? This includes alcohol abuse.
Sometimes regular use can lead to tolerance, which in turn leads to someone using more and may become an addiction. If this happens, does one think it is normal and okay?
Do Jews who didn’t learn from D.A.R.E. or take a mandatory drug education program in public school, or watch tv specials about the adverse effects of drugs on the brain…
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KNOW
that misusing drugs causesbrain damage
?November 14, 2016 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1192256LightbriteParticipantI am asking because I know someone who thinks it is just something to do to relax. He knows that someone who drinks and becomes aggressive does not need to drink because the behavior is unbecoming.
Yet since someone in his family is a happy drunk, he sees no problem in this person using alcohol and other illegal substances [if you want, you can substitute “legal” here and get the same point] regularly. This family member used to be in recovery.
I expressed my concern about this to someone who works with people in recovery (not lashon hara). I wanted to know what I can do to help. He asked me how is it that this person does not understand that supporting this family member’s substance abuse causes brain damage.
In my secular world, generally speaking, even individuals using drugs knows that doing it isn’t healthy.
I learned that “drugs are bad” from tv commercials, elementary school programs, and continued messages in media and obviously my parents.
I wondered how is it that he doesn’t know these things? Then I thought about it and maybe Jewish schools don’t have anti-drug programs. We already established here that there are many communities that shun watching television.
So are people learning this stuff or is it not part of common knowledge?
Thank you
November 14, 2016 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1192257Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantYou are asking some very good questions, Lightbrite. I don’t know all of the answers. I think that most Jewish adults know about the effects of drug use even if they don’t know all of the details. It is hard not to know about it in a day and age when unfortunately, we constantly hear of kids o.ding. Also, there have been articles on the topic published in the Frum magazines.
There was an article (I think in Mishpacha, but it could have been Binah) last year about drug abuse. The article did describe the effects, and I learned a lot of things from it that I had not necessarily been aware of. For example, it discused the issue of brain damage. There were interviews with kids who had been drug abusers and were now “clean” but had suffered irreparable damage.
So there definitely is a lot of awareness in recent years, at least as far as the adults. In terms of the kids, I do not know whether or not the schools teach it. I think that nowadays, everyone knows about kids-at-risk and drugs, etc. No matter how insulated kids are, it is pretty hard not to be aware of these issues nowadays.
I do not know whether or not kids know about all of the specific damages and effects caused by drugs. BUT, everyone knows that they are seriously problematic. And in the Frum world, it is a given that it is considered BAD to take drugs. The only kids who use drugs in the Frum world are kids with major issues who are taking the drugs out of desperation.
I am pretty sure that these kids know how bad drugs are, and that a course explaining how bad they are would not help. I was at a bus stop once, and a teenage boy (who appeared to be at-risk) was smoking. An elderly lady pointed out to him that smoking is unhealthy. His response was “Lady, I am not smoking because I think it is healthy.”
Frum kids do not take drugs because they think they are healthy. They take drugs out of desperation because they have problems that are not being resolved.
The Frum world is dealing with this issue by trying to find ways to resolve their problems as well as to take preemptive measures so that these problems don’t come about in the first place. Mentoring programs, therapy, educational help, etc. are the ways that the Frum world is trying to resolve these problems.
In terms of alcohol abuse, both adults and kids are aware of the problems. That is why most Frum people generally refrain from too much alchohol use, and only use it on specific occasions, and even then it is generally pretty limited.
Those are the answers to your questions to the best of my knowledge.
November 14, 2016 12:33 am at 12:33 am #1192258Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantlightbrite – I wrote my last post before I saw your last one. (btw, you may be reading this b4 my last post is posted. It is very long so will probably take a while to moderate).
In any case, regarding your last post, I am very surprised by this story. I think that it is probably very unusual. Everyone I know knows that drug and alcohol abuse are bad. This guy is probably suffering from denial. Either that or it is just desperation because he doesn’t know what to do and can’t deal with the situation. I would imagine that it is a very difficult situation to be in, and one which many may have a hard time dealing with. Different people probably react differently to different situations.
November 14, 2016 1:10 am at 1:10 am #1192259LightbriteParticipant“That is why most Frum people generally refrain from too much alchohol use, and only use it on specific occasions, and even then it is generally pretty limited.”
Thank you that’s news to me. Maybe due to a recent and atypical dose of frum exposure, I was surprised at the leniency of alcohol use.
Last week I talked to my LOR about my concerns. I told him that I couldn’t imagine myself dating/marrying someone who drank. I abstain from drinking for health reasons. It feels good to be in a fully conscious mind.
Yet… I also listened to a shiur recently about wine. It was so beautiful. Actually before Pesach I listened to a different shiur about wine that was also remarkable.
The one for Pesach asked why is it that we don’t have four slices of cake (Kosher for Pesach) on Pesach? Why wine? Well if we had cake we would get more full. The last piece of cake would feel stuffing, unpleasant. Meanwhile, each glass of wine is like leaving the body more and more. So it’s a spiritual effect.
What did I learn in the other shiur about wine (serious question because right now I forgot)? Ummm… I think that it also mentioned the spiritual element. Yet if I remember more then I will post. Otherwise it is on TorahAnytime.
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RebYidd23: Thank you and you are right.
Legal drugs are just as bad. I know a few individuals in recovery because of legal substances. It bothers me that someone may have gone to the doctor and falsely obtained legal drugs to sell to individuals. That’s my assumption at least. Though likely there are other ways that people get legal drugs to sell too.
Regardless, abusing or misusing narcotics/drugs/medications is certainly an issue.
Taken that you’re a Rebb, maybe you have professional feedback on how drug/substance abuse education is handled in Jewish schools.
Thank you again and I am sorry for being unappreciative of your post.
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lilmod ulelamaid: Amen I hope that it is unusual.
“This guy is probably suffering from denial. Either that or it is just desperation because he doesn’t know what to do and can’t deal with the situation.”
True, I’ve seriously questioned myself a number of times in the face of someone else’s denial. In this case, I went back and did research just to make sure that I wasn’t just being prude.
hmmm… Thus far I have prayed for this person.
Thank you for your feedback <3
November 14, 2016 9:45 am at 9:45 am #1192260☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantI don’t think the frum world thinks their kids are at risk of using drugs (and therefore doesn’t see the need to educate them on the subject).
November 14, 2016 9:46 am at 9:46 am #1192261☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant(Can you think of a parallel? It’s pretty obvious.)
November 14, 2016 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #1192262zahavasdadParticipantI am totally against the legalization of POT. However the Frum community cannot just ban everything. People will find some “sin” to engage in.
Its best to allow some things and really band the dangerous things like pot
November 14, 2016 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #1192263The little I knowParticipantFrom a Rabbi AJ Twerski book:
Not long after First Lady Nancy Reagan launched the “Just say no to drugs” campaign, some researchers were addressing a high school, and learned that many of the students were heavily into drug abuse. They asked the students why they did not pay attention to the “Just say no to drugs” message. Their reply was, “What else is there?”
I understand this to reflect an interesting thought. The knowledge about the dangers of drugs and alcohol can be useful, but are not strong enough to save someone from the pain of a life that is devoid of meaning. The drugs provide momentary relief (actually either distraction or anesthesia) from this torment. That is somehow preferred to the existence without meaning, self-esteem, goals, and feelings of success and achievement.
Not sure how much this matters for the life of the goy, but when we are failing to provide the meaning, etc. for our children, in our frum, Torah based homes, there is a problem. Without a doubt, there are many directions we can point fingers. But it remains incumbent on us to insure our children the most meaningful experience of growing up, where the values we are taught are modeled, where they are given good reason to absorb the recognition that their lives and connection to HKB”H and Torah is valuable and positive. Most people can probably identify ways in which we fail at this. But we can also suggest ways to make these values supreme in our lives.
Torah life is great. The benefit to the follower of a Torah life is (to use Trump vocabulary) HUGE.
November 14, 2016 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #1192264MenoParticipantRabbi Twerski used Trump vocabulary?
November 14, 2016 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #1192265MammeleParticipantIn elementary school, we had a workbook with black and white photos on the opening pages. To the left there was a photo of a brain with a caption “This is your brain” and to the right a photo of a fried egg in a pan, sunny side up with the caption “This is your brain on drugs.”
I think my teacher explained it, but when when I first saw it I was baffled. It was a stark ad, but probably one intended for a more mature audience that understood the nuances. I guess I was more literal at that age, and fried in this context was new to me. I remember thinking along the lines of how does photo A (a brain) morph into photo B (an egg).
As a frum student I honestly didn’t feel it was directed at me, and none of my classmates as far as I know ever did drugs. B”H for my sheltered upbringing, which although perhaps needs some slight tweaking nowadays when some kids have more exposure, it has worked well in my days of yore…
The ad was likely part of Nancy Reagan’s campaign as well.
November 14, 2016 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #1192266ExcellenceParticipantCoffee is drugs.
Drink it you are relaxed. Can’t have it, you become moody and short tempered. Body is addicted to it like smoking.
Only a billion fools drink it a day, is it not officially a declared drug. But in the Excellence Opinion it sure is.
November 14, 2016 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1192267MammeleParticipantExcellence: everything in moderation is what I’d say about coffee. And it doesn’t cause brain damage.
I just remembered that the ad I mentioned also had a center portion stating “This is drugs.” with a photo of cocaine or some powder.
In hindsight, I guess it’s considered good marketing if I still remember it. The goal was perhaps that as well, to have “flash-backs” of the message when students were confronted with temptation years later.
November 14, 2016 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #1192268Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantThe Coffee Room is also a drug and very addictive.
November 14, 2016 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1192269ExcellenceParticipantI get a bit bemused when the hot water urn somehow dried out over Shabbos night and people rumble when they come to shule and can’t have a coffee or tea in the morning. Now, that is an addiction. Challila! No coffee! Gevalt!
November 15, 2016 12:40 am at 12:40 am #1192270Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantI guess that’s why the Coffee Room is called the Coffee Room – because it’s so addictive!
November 15, 2016 4:01 am at 4:01 am #1192271ExcellenceParticipantI’m not addicted to this forum. I only post when I need information I can’t find on my own. I have a life outside here.
November 16, 2016 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #1192272☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant(Meno, the quotation from Rabbi Twerski’s book ended
at “Their reply was,
What else is there?
“)In elementary school, we had a workbook with black and white photos on the opening pages. To the left there was a photo of a brain with a caption “This is your brain” and to the right a photo of a fried egg in a pan, sunny side up with the caption “This is your brain on drugs.”
That ad was originally on television, and followed those 2 lines with “Any questions?” There was also a longer version involving a frying pan being used to smash up a kitchen.
November 17, 2016 12:05 am at 12:05 am #1192273LightbriteParticipantComlink-X: I grew up watching that commercial. So powerful.
November 17, 2016 12:38 am at 12:38 am #1192274HealthParticipantlightbrite -“Is there a formal program in Jewish schools teach children about the dangers of drugs?”
Is there a formal program in Jewish schools teach children about the dangers of smoking?
No, there isn’t!
And as far as, smoking vs. drug addiction, smoking is by far much more prevalent in the Frum community!
November 17, 2016 1:47 am at 1:47 am #1192275frumnotyeshivishParticipantRelated question: do posters here know that asking ill-formed subjectively specific broad questions on controversial and serious topics, will not lead to anything but entertainment?
November 17, 2016 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1192276LightbriteParticipantfrumnotyeshivish: Let me guess, you don’t care? And you want everyone else to know it?
Baruch Hashem words from the heart enter the heart, and this is more than entertainment for me.
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