Talking With Members of The Opposite Gender

ahavas

I think this is too important an issue for it’s Psak to be determined by general discussion

What you need to do, is personally visit a reliable Posek, perhaps one you know, whose name will be recognized by most of us here. Show him this website, explain that hundreds of Yiddim are at stake. Explain the necessity for him to give a written Psak. Then post it here. Otherwise you are wasting our time and your time and accomplishing nothing.

Mod 80, If ahavas follows your suggestion, and the posek paskens that females should not be chatting here, will that psak be implemented?

I don’t know; it’s not my decision.

mod-80; As i said before it’s not a problem to get a Rav to say anything these days, even if I’ll bring the biggest Poiskei Hador to give a live Shiur saying 1 thing, 100 others bring their own Rav to say otherwise, even if Moisheh Rabbeinu would say Ossur, someone will say he’s to old & doesn’t remember, V’ho Raayoh, plenty have been brought down by others (& I have to compliment them, especially Joseph), and we still have to bring a Rav, even the Memrois of the G’moro were not enough, so maybe I’ll do something I said I will not do albeit only a bit, (bring down what & where it says). 1) Even Hoezer Siman 21 S’if 7 Ein Shoialin Bishloim Isho K’lal Afilu Al Y’dei Sh’liach “V’afilu Al Y’dei Baloh” V’osur Lishloiach Lo Divrei Sh’loimim, even sending her the greeting is forbidden! 2) G’moroh Yuma 74: Omar Raish Lokish etc. & Rambam Hilchois T’shuvoh 4 Uk’var Kosvu Horishoinim, where you can see how the Yetzer has people do things that are not explicitly Osur Kdai Sheloi Y’hei Liboi Noikfoi V’yachazir Bit’shuvoh. 3) Maseches Kalloh 1 Omar R’ Elozor Kol Hshoiseh, even unintetionally. 4) G’moro Nidoh 13. Kol Hameivi….Ein Machnisin Oisoi Lim’chitzosoi Shel HKB”H & the Rambam explains V’im Poga B’machashovoh Chetoi Godoil B’harbeh 5) Chinuch 188 even if he knows he will not faulter. 6)Y’rushalmi B’rochois P’1 H’8 Omar HKB”H Im At Uhiv Liboch V’einoch Ano Yodaano D’at Dili, what A Z’chus & S’char 7) Midrash Shir Hashirim 3, 13 T’nino B’shem R’ Doiso, ….Omar Hakodoish Boruch Hu Mi Shehu Oimeid B’yetzer Shel Haznus Maaloh Ani Olov K’ilu Oimeid Bishteihem (including S’char for A”Z which is not around anymore & there is no other way to get S’char for it) 8) G’moro Makois 23: R’ Shimoin Bar Rebi….Gezel V’aroyois….Hapoiresh Meihem…..Sheyizkeh Loi U’l’doiroisov…..Ad Soif Kol Hadoirois. I can go on & on, on the Isurim,on the Oineshim, & on the S’char, but I think I’ve said enough V’idoch Pirusho Zil G’moir. As to a Psak, obviously The Chasidishe are a given that it’s Osur or most here might not care, as for Litvish & Y’shivish would a P’sak from a Godoil like R’ Belsky count? If yes, when I come back from Asia next week I’ll meet him right away. ps. I might be off on “some” of the words qouted, all though I tried to qoute as much as possible verbaitim, V’Hashem Hatoiv Y’chaper. I still love each one of you!

Joseph; well asked! As for 2 rooms, good Idea, but we could just refrain addressing people we know are from the opposite gender directly, & the biggest problem is in the General, where it’s a free for all & some even imply…….., not here

For the life of me, I cannot imagine any gadol wanting to publicly give his hechsher to the coffee room in any form, separate or mixed.

Right. And we should be standing up for our rights, right? lol

lol, I just see it. ‘General shmooz-female’, ‘General shmooz-male’. Ask the editor what he thinks.

“Talking With Members of The Opposite Gender”. I’ll leave it to the lofty Rabbinical figures that frequent the YWN CR to answer this Shaila.

With that said, how do we know that “Joseph” is a male and “Tzippi” a female? Perhaps FlatbushBubby is a 22 year old bachur and Semgirl a kollel yungerman?

How do we know that Joseph, Tzippi, Moderator 80 and Mepal are not the same person? Perhaps I am Tzippi?

Oh no, mepal, you or something about you is definitely ‘amiss’ 😉

thanks areivim.

Areivim; Thanx for checking them out, I really appreciate it since here in Asia I have nothing but the basic few S’forim with me. As for kicking anyone out, you are correct, I havn’t said to kick anyone out, just that people we should refrain from directly addressing someone identified as being from the opposite gender! & as I said in the General 2 days ago, I’m writing this also as a reminder to myself. For everyone else out there that wants to know how we who is what, we don’t, but if someone identifies themselves as such, anyone from the opposite gender should not address that person directly. Also the issue was not a Hechsher but rather a P’sak if it’s Muttor or Osur to to speak with the other gender S’tam Divrei Hevel, & let’s not forget the question from before, are we allowed to shake hands? (btw, I’m probably older then most here & have been traveling for a long time, I am “very” respected all over, for not shaking hands, & for never Shmoozing with someone from the other gender or looking @ them directly). As for the reason I write the way I do, other then the one mentioned, is 1) to keep it short & to the point. 2) Not to leave room for saying I misquoted. 3) Most important of all, not to say things that I should not. 4) To try my best not to make it sound personal. Again Please do not assume that I am fanatic, on my 1st posts in the CR, in the, What to when parents don’t want a Shidduch, I sound just the opposite, here from the ultra right & there from the left, but the Toirah is Nitzchis, given by Hashem, & he asks us to be K’doishim “K’doishim Tih’u Ki Kodoish Ani Hashem M’kadishchem, & he also asked us to do only good & accept every Yid no matter what. btw, This is also on the rules outside the door to my house, & anyone that judges others is not welcome, Therefor at any given time it’s full of all differant types, Chassidish, Litvish, Y’shivish, Modern, Ashk’nazi, S’fardi, Teimoni.

I need to correct your misconception- I did not actually look up the mekoros inside- I meant that I took a minute to read your entire post and appreciate you taking the time to point them out in 1 organized place…

You do not need to excuse your views to the CR numerous times. Each person is entitled to how they see and do things.

oh please, how rediculous does this get

His main location is NY- perhaps he happens to be in Asia now?

For your information, every single living human being is (hopefully) mental

and to clarify for you: when you sign up, do you put down your vacation spot, or your permanent location. Think about it please

Areivimzehlazeh; maybe you should put up a map of the US & a time chart of the world up, & them all the questions will be answered.

Your mekoros are meaningless. Do any of them mention writing electronic characters that are then moderated and edited, then placed on a server and become visible to people who have no idea who the person is who started the process, and who are unable to see him, know his gender, hear his voice, what his face looks like and have no idea how to otherwise contact him or her. Do we require rechokos between these electronic characters?

YOU HAVE NO IDEA. Your arguments are all meaningless without the opinion of a Talmid Chochom. There is no parallel to this situation in any of your mekoros. There is NO PSAK on this question in any of your Mekoros.

You want us to all abandon and shut down this website on YOUR logic and interpretation?

WHO ARE YOU?

I don’t know you. You may even not be a Jew. Maybe you are a Xian “scholar” who studies “Jewish Law” in the University.

Perhaps you are an enemy of the Jewish people and have your own nefarious reasons for wishing to damage a frum website. Who are you? Who am I? Who knows?

areivim – now you’re doing the EDITED shtick?

Mental 😉

I AM INNOCENT!

That post was really edited- and of course it was part A (deleted) that was the crux of the matter at hand…

It really doesn’t matter WHO is bringing the sources to our attention… they are sources nonetheless

ok

I will need blood pressure pills soon

NOBODY ASKED TO SHUT ANYTHING DOWN

thank you- it is now safe to open your ears again

Sorry, there was one thing that was mentiond clearly, That it is not not allowed to greet someone from the other gender even through a Sh’liach & even through her husband, and that was inserted not just due to speaking to someone of the opposite gender, but more so in reply to a “P’sak” renderd here by one of the mods ( I’ll leave that annonymous) that you are allowed, hence my response, although originally I didn’t want to bring M’koirois for anything, & just asked him where he gets that from. “Again can everyone just get beyond this shutting down thing? I never said it, only to refrain from conversing directly with someone from the opposite gender S’tam Divrei Hevel”

Jphone is NOT Tzippi.

OTOH, I may just be Jphone.

And on the subject of handshakes:

A (female) friend of mine applied for a job. She had an interview with the (frum, female) owner of the business, who apparently liked her a lot. She took my friend to the office of the (non-Jewish, male) head of one of the departments. He extended his hand. At that point my friend had a split-second to make a decision. She could possibly offend the department head by not shaking his hand, or possibly offend the business owner by shaking the man’s hand. She chose not to shake his hand. He was offended. My friend did not get the job.

I’m not going to direct this to Joseph, since I presume he’s a man, but she was already feeling like the frum community didn’t accept her, and that incident didn’t help. She’s no longer shomer Shabbos and is living with her non-Jewish boyfriend.

If someone asked to call them on Shabbos and telling them sorry I can’t do that would embarrass them for asking, should one be mechalel shabbos to prevent their embarrassment? Or if someone offered non-kosher food and refusing would embarrass them, would one eat treif?