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A mamin: I didn’t mean you personally. You clearly said that those who are Makpid on separate seating are on a higher level, didn’t you?
always runs with scissors fast -“mikehall, just to fill you in, Health here thinks EVERYONE needs a mental health professional and meds.”
A bit of an exaggeration -don’t you think? I might have called people crazy, but I never said e/o is crazy!
Btw, I wasn’t the first person on this thread to call them crazy -I just agreed with them. By all means, if you have a reason why these people are in the realm of normalcy, please post.
“She/HE mentions it in other threads too.”
Stop with the PC, e/o knows I’m a man.
“I just don’t like the hostility and antagonistic personality.”
Look if you have a valid argument -post it! Stop stooping to character assassination because you don’t like my opinion!
I am very amused by the predictable tendency for some to divide people amongst three categories:
Category 1: Those who are just like me and follow my way of life
Category 2: Those who don’t do exactly as I do and are therefore on a lower spiritual level (“…you are not on the level of others”)
Category 3: Those who do more than I do and can safely be labeled as crackpots (“..NOT be equated to these CRACKPOTS)
Beyond the amusement, it is important that these judgmental types be called out on two accounts: Their haughtiness and their intellectual dishonesty.
The women here are rachmanus cases. The problem here is clearly a cult, not a logical outgrowth of tzniyus. This cult fulfills some psychological need these women have.
In modern society television has spread anorexia internationally. A psychologically balanced and emotionally sound, girl is much less likely to become anorexic just from watching thin women.
In meah shearim there is no TV. So these women with underlying psychological problems turn to something that is closer to home: namely an extremist person who can satisfy their unhealthy psychological needs.
Derech hamelech: You’ve made some very good points.
Sam2: I won’t get into this with you because we definitely are coming from two different places…. Call it whatever you want , higher or lower….
A mamin: Or there’s a third choice-neither!! Why is it impossible for you to think that different Minhagim/Psakim doesn’t make someone “on a different level”?
Sam 2: I never measured. You did!
I’m trying to understand the need of some ppl. to knock everydown… yes these are a group of Psycopaths…. and finished theyre not going to read this post either way…..
It is an insult to Moslem women to compare these to them.
Moslem women wear burqas etc. because they are told that this is what they have to do. They are humble, they are not full of themselves, they simply accept the halacha – or in their case, sharia – that says this is what they are supposed to do.
If there were a Jewish community like this, I would agree that it would be quite hypocritical to judge these people, and the joke would be on us for being so utterly pretentious believing that we are perfect and anyone a drop to the left or a drop to the right is crazy. So they are machmir. What’s the big deal? What’s with the judgmentalism?
But as I said earlier, I do not believe this has anything to do with chumros. Nor do I believe it is a psychological issue. My speculation is that it is a way for these women to assert power. To show the men around them who have natural feelings for women – ha! you can’t get us. Because if they were truly modest it would manifest itself in them being humble and following their rabbanim, and not making such a scene. But they aren’t. I don’t “judge” them for being machmir but I think they are a menace to society as much as extremely chauvinistic men are.
But as I said earlier, I do not believe this has anything to do with chumros. Nor do I believe it is a psychological issue. My speculation is that it is a way for these women to assert power. To show the men around them who have natural feelings for women – ha! you can’t get us. Because if they were truly modest it would manifest itself in them being humble and following their rabbanim, and not making such a scene. But they aren’t. I don’t “judge” them for being machmir but I think they are a menace to society as much as extremely chauvinistic men are.
And if it is? If it all boils down to a power struggle, then it has nothing to do with Halacha.
Just because you are not on the level of others who feel that seperate seating is a chiyuv, doesn’t mean you should make fun of them! Taliban women is another parsha
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AKA measuring.
i’m waiting for them to morph into the amazon women.
gavra_at_work –
I think you misunderstood me. I was saying that it should be fought against, and the whole “don’t judge” bit isn’t relevant here.
gavra_at_work –
I think you misunderstood me. I was saying that it should be fought against, and the whole “don’t judge” bit isn’t relevant here.
I think so too, but not for “Halachic” reasons (as you agree), like others claim.
Tzniyus is a chiyuv, there is no question about that. But when women are made to feel that their faces are pritzidik the natural outgrowth of that shame is to want to cover that ervah as well. If you never show faces of women or girls in the many frum publications we have now, it hurts women and may make some women feel the need to go that extra step in what they feel is tznius.
jakyweb (member for 5 years) – Why is this the only topic you ever post in the CR.
I feel very strongly that in todays pritzidik world we need chizuk to combat yetzer haras within and without our lives. We get that through many sources. One is to see pictures of Rebbes of the past and present. Somehow their kadosh faces provide strength. When we read stories in the many frum magazines about ehrliche women I and many of my fellow ladies feel the need to see what these ladies look like. I look at Rebbitzen Kanievsky’s picture every day. I can’t tell you what a tremendous chizuk it gives me. When you assur what is allowed (like the snake saying not to touch the eitz hadas), people will naturally want to take it a step further like the taliban women do. I find this a tragedy that these women see their faces as pritzus.
I wonder if the Chasam Sofer would hold that this fits with Chadash Assur min HaTorah.
I have first hand information about these particular ppl becuase I happened to have known some of them. I will tell you about how their “uniform” clothes came into being, with the dress and apron.
They were looking to be “tznius” on a higher level. So they sent one of their husbands to tell the “cult leader aka rebbe” that they were looking to have a dress code of tznius. He sat and sketched out an outline of what it should look like.
Then they took turns having a dressmaker make them each a dress.
THey call it M’meshbaos zahav L’Vishu, from Tehillim 45 where its says “her raiment is made of gold settings”.
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