Switching to a different rabbi

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    1122334455
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    Despite what I thought after getting close to a second rabbi, I asked him if he would be my rabbi. He said I should ask the rabbi that was guiding me for permission.

    Here is the story: I made a decision, (i didn’t ask my rabbi for advice) he was oppose to my decision. I did not listen. Two weeks ago motzi Shabbos, I opened up and apoliged deeply. He said it’s not an issue. He also said he will only give me advice if I ask for it. Fast forward two weeks ago, i saw him at a simcha, I felt he was being cold to me.

    I need some help with advice, I called him yesterday and today, no answer and no return call.

    I feel like I need to move on. The rabbi i asked if he will be my rabbi said it is not good to switch. I can see the truth in this and i will not make this a habit.

    Please help me with advice.

    #1030761
    Joseph
    Participant

    Why did you decide to change rabbis in the first place?

    #1030762
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Avoda Zara 19a-b:

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    #1030763
    1122334455
    Participant

    I never ‘officially’ changed. Just started speaking with a rabbi who was a friend, when the relationship with my rabbi started to go south.

    I want to change rabbi because I didn’t list to my original rabbi with a big decision and now he acts cold to me. I recently needed advice and I called him two different times on two different days and he never returned my calls.

    #1030764
    MyTurnAtBat
    Member

    You don’t have to apologize for leading your own life. A rav is not an owner. It’s a person, hopefully, with more life experience, Torah knowledge, and wisdom, who can offer guidance. But they are never in your shoes, so in the end you have to have your own mind. They don’t have the power of prophecy.

    You also can go to more than one person. You don’t have to get a new one.

    #1030765
    ivory
    Participant

    You don’t marry a rabbi! Go with who your comfortable with! What’s the whole permission issue?

    #1030766
    Trust 789
    Member

    Different teachers provide exposure to various approaches. Moreover, each teacher exhibits different strengths and the best guide for practical halacha might not be a superior instructor for Tanach or Jewish philosophy. A rebbe great at analyzing a Talmudic topic could prove less adept at helping a student address a personal crisis. Therefore, a student must seek out numerous sources of education and guidance. Indeed, the gemara (Avoda Zara 19a) recommends studying analytical skills from several mentors even as it also calls for absorbing the basic material from a single teacher.

    A number of commentators notice that Yehoshua calls for seeking out teachers and colleagues but says nothing about searching for students. Tosafot Yom Tov neutralizes the question arguing that the Men of the Great Assembly had already emphasized the need to raise students (Avot 1:1); therefore, Yehoshua felt no need to rehash the idea.

    Others contend that the omission indicates a reluctance to seek out students. What could be negative about the desire to teach Torah? Maharal mentions concerns about potential arrogance. Teaching Torah reflects a highly noble pursuit, yet noble endeavors also allow for problematic expression. A teacher may be more motivated by the need to hear student adulation than by the desire to teach Torah or help others. Educators on an ego trip generate a number of negative outcomes. Such teachers may act manipulatively towards students, may care more about receiving praise than about aiding pupils, and may abandon personal and familial responsibilities in the quest for pedagogic fame.

    Of course, none of the above is intended to denigrate the many wonderful and successful teachers of the Jewish community. I can think of few professions more important and I adopted this vocation myself. Nevertheless, the caution remains in place. Let us seek out multiple masters but avoid an unhealthy pursuit of disciples.

    #1030767
    BarryLS1
    Participant

    Go back and explain the situation to the second Rabbi. He should have no problem being your Rov, since the first one obviously dropped you. His attitude towards you is proof that you made the right decision in switching.

    #1030768
    Trust 789
    Member

    I pulled the above off a site. I didn’t write it myself.

    #1030770
    1122334455
    Participant

    thank you all for the advice and references

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