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May 3, 2009 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #646169HealthParticipant
Dear YW editor,
I don’t know why you even wrote the article on the NY Post, but from the medical standpoint V.P. Biden isn’t wrong. If you decrease your exposure to public places which include -planes, trains, subways, busses and other places, you decrease your potential exposure to the virus. BTW, if our Pres. and VP cared about the safety of US citizens, they would have closed the US- Mexican border. This line about closing the stable door after the horse has left is nonsense! The more people infected in this country with the disease- the more of a chance to spread it to more people. This is Epidmieology 101!
May 3, 2009 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #646170JaxMembernoitallmr: i just saw it! mind boggling! i think you can break your fast today! have a steak!
May 3, 2009 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #646171miamimiamiMemberShazam is right in posting what he did. Do not think for a moment that big business is partially responsible for this issue.
If they treated car accidents like the flu – we would have been walking for 80 years! In fact medical/hospital accidents claim 100,000 deaths a year – shall we ban the doctors too?
Let me ask you about this piece of logic – health officials always say, “If you don’t get vaccinated – your putting others at risk” Well, if they are vaccinated what risk is there?
Go back and look at the Swine Flu of 1976 – I think 1 person died from it and something like 50 died and hundreds developed neurological disorders from the vaccine.
Sound like it is safer to go without.
Just months ago there was a “mix-up” in the lab where toxic virus’ were mixed with vaccination and sent to Europe. What kind of “mix-up” is that?
I am very suspicious – and I think there is a good reason to me.
May 3, 2009 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #646172HealthParticipantMiami- you sound like your more scared of the vaccine than of the illness. Don’t use data from thity years ago for safety & efficiency for today. All vaccines are relatively safe nowadays. (Nothing in this world is 100% safe) A lot of people in the frum community don’t vaccinate -you might have that legal right, but then don’t send your kids to school because you will spread the disease. “How can you spread the disease if everybodies vaccinated?” Because let’s say your unvaccinated child gets the measles and is still infectious while in school, another vaccinated child can pick it up even if he/she won’t get ill. This child can bring it home and spread it to siblings. If there is an infant at home, the baby can pick it up and get sick! We don’t vaccinate for measles till over a year of age.
May 4, 2009 12:31 am at 12:31 am #646173goody613Memberwhat i wrote before- i don’t think this halacha applies to nowadays b/c i just saw on wikipedia that this swine flu was not found in pigs
May 4, 2009 12:58 am at 12:58 am #646174mroosinsehryMembergoody: i thought it was?
May 4, 2009 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #646175noitallmrParticipantYa know what Jax? I actually took up your suggestion last night. Was totally awesome thanx…
May 4, 2009 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #646176aussieboyParticipantHealth: If what you say is true and swine flu is the same Spanish flu they had in 1918 then why is there such concern over the fact that nobody is immune to it. If it is the same one shouldnt there be immunities around?
May 4, 2009 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #646177anon for thisParticipantaussieboy, most people who survived the flu epidemic in 1918 are no longer alive (acquired immunities aren’t inherited, you know). Also, although swine flu may be similar to the Spanish flu of 1918, it isn’t identical, because the flu virus mutates constantly. That’s why the CDC recommends people who are vulnerable to the flu (those under 5 or over 65, or those whose immune systems are compromised) to be immunized every year.
May 4, 2009 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #646179squeakParticipantI know people who survived the pandemic of ’18. Admittedly, they were babies at the time.
I think the recommendation is for those over 50, not just 65.
May 4, 2009 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #646180HealthParticipantWhat is really scary is that our gov. doesn’t take any transmittable disease seriously-
when AIDS first came out there were only a few hundred people who had it. They could have easily quarantined them and any of their contacts. The rest of the world would have followed suit. If they would have done this, AIDS would either not exist or we would have a lot fewer cases- not the epidemic we have now. Remember Typhoid Mary! The reason I mentioned the similarity to the Spanish flu is to warn people that this might not be the big bust like we had with the swine flu of the 70’s. The Spanish flu mutated from a regular H1N1 flu to become a killer in the fall. One particular difference this flu did was to attack people with robust immune systems more than others. The elderly seemed to survive this flu better than young people, which isn’t the case with the flu usually. There are two theories as to why this happened, but I won’t go into it here. That was the purpose of my original post -that don’t believe the gov.-media complex- they may be correct, but there is no way of knowing for sure.
May 5, 2009 12:57 am at 12:57 am #646181JaxMembernoitallmr: that’s awesome! i’m so glad your still not fasting! 😉
May 5, 2009 1:09 am at 1:09 am #646182goody613MemberHey i was right! Rav Amar was gozer a taanis for this
thursday check it out on the homepage!
May 5, 2009 1:41 am at 1:41 am #646183JaxMembergoody613: yeah i saw it! you must be a navi!
May 6, 2009 2:59 am at 2:59 am #646186goody613Memberdoes anybody know if any ashkenazi rabbanim said anything. i don’t think this is considered “dever bechazirim” this wasn’t found in pigs
May 6, 2009 4:28 am at 4:28 am #646187anon for thisParticipantI think the “pestilence” affecting pigs mentioned in the gemara is not the same as swine flu, because the reason given for fasting is that the digestive system of pigs is similar to that of people. However, influenza is a respiratory disease, and has little to do with the digestive system.
May 6, 2009 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm #646188SJSinNYCMemberA funny swine flu joke:
How could we have predicted swine flu?
A black man would only become president of the US when pigs fly – shortly after Barack Obama was sworn in, SWINE FLU.
May 8, 2009 1:35 am at 1:35 am #646189goody613Membera/o fast?
May 8, 2009 2:41 am at 2:41 am #646190anon for thisParticipantThe CDC reported that the two people who died in the US from swine flu had other chronic health problems. The 22-month old baby, who became ill while traveling in Mexico, had an autoimmune disease, a heart defect, and chronic hypoxia. The 33-year-old pregnant woman from Texas had asthma & rheumatoid arthritis. So both belonged to groups particularly vulnerable to the “regular” flu.
May 8, 2009 2:53 am at 2:53 am #646191HealthParticipantAnd your point is?
May 8, 2009 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #646192anon for thisParticipantMy point is this: when the first reports came in of so many young people in the US becoming ill with swine flu (like the students in NYC), people worried that this would be like the 1918 flu, which struck & killed mostly healthy young people. However, these kids recovered quickly. The two people who did die had chronic underlying conditions; one was an infant & the other a pregnant woman, both groups which are vulnerable to the “regular flu”. Most of those hospitalized also have chronic conditions. This pattern of infection indicates that the swine flu here is similar to the regular flu, which mostly kills the very young, old, and those with other health issues. (That’s why the CDC recommends that people in those groups be immunized–and yes, they reommend that pregnant women be immunized too).
Although any death is unfortunate, it is reassuring that this flu is not so different from the flu that we are already used to.
May 8, 2009 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #646193squeakParticipantagreed, anon – almost. This flu IS different from seasonal flu in that seasonal flu kills 36,000 Americans a year and this killed 2. But we’re making the same point. Overblown is not the word for this.
May 8, 2009 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #646194anon for thisParticipantsqueak, the reason I posted the similarities between swine flu & the “regular” flu is because most people don’t worry about the latter at all. Although some of the concern about swine flu was because so many in Mexico became infected, & a significant percentage of those became seriously ill or died (including young healthy people). That is not the case in this country, perhaps because of cultural differences or differences in the health care system. I agree that b”h the swine flu here had been less damaging than the “regular flu” usually is.
ames, what do you mean by this, “While no one is looking, the country will turn socialist”? The media hypes up health crises for ratings, and this is true regardless of political leanings.
May 24, 2009 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #646195goody613Memberswine flu has finally reached the frum community. rachmana ritzlan
May 24, 2009 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #646196shavuaMembergoody, and it’s spreading.
May 24, 2009 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #646197mepalMembergoody, finally? Were you waiting for it or something? Personally, I’m a bit frightened.
May 25, 2009 6:28 am at 6:28 am #646198GoldieLoxxMemberi think these skools are closing because they are more afraid of being sued then the actual flu
May 25, 2009 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #646199shavuaMembergl: that is probably true!
May 26, 2009 12:32 am at 12:32 am #64620088pianoParticipantthey also don’t want to be blamed for not doing anything
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