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is time to close this thread!?
Jax, I was thinking about asking the same thing, but it never works so I gave up.
I third the thread closing. It’s past its usefulness.
We will keep this thread open for serious discussion about this serious situation. It will be moderated more carefully from now on.
THANK YOU!!!!
Thanks
Now that 20 Public Schools in NY that have been closed are reopening, I wonder if the hysteria will level off, or increase due to parental concerns.
Freiden noted that closing schools is balancing “a definite harm (missing education etc)” against a “possible benefit”; perhaps they will now formulate more coherent guidelines for schools for prevention/isolation of stricken instead of mass closings.
2 confirmed cases in my city in the Jewish schools
no school closings
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anyone with flulike symptoms must be tested and given ok by an md before they may come back to school
I’m sorry that this flu turned into a pandemic, but I’m not going to say I told you so. But, what I don’t understand is -ok you disagreed with me, but why did you have to put me down while doing it?
Health: what’s the difference between a pandemic & an epidemic?!
pandemic is worldwide – epidemic is all over the place in your place (your town, your school, your state, your country)
The swine flu was an epidemic, until we saw it in other countries as well (as people travel from here to there, they carry the germs with them). A pandemic is really scary, because it is harder to contain. In general the health situation has been teribble all winter and into late spring. This was the worst winter I have ever had, health-wise, and I hear it more and more from others.
To Jax,
I copied and pasted right out of the microbiology textbook:
pandemic (pan-dem_ik)- An increase in the occurrence of a disease within a large and geographically widespread population (often refers to a worldwide epidemic).
oomis & health: thank you both! may this swine flu pandemic come to an end, & may all the choloim from swine flu have a speedy recovery!
I’m not commenting on the swine flu but I want to post a small comment having read through this thread
I have been called, Mr, Mrs, a guy, a girl – the lot. I have never said which catagory I fall into because it is irrelevant nor have I posted my pedigree or academic qualifications.
I have been told my views are good, bad, rubbish and on occasion thoughtful or interesting. People may agree or disagree with me and that’s all fine too
However, one thing I am known for on this site and that is I never knock or belittle someone, judge them or give retribution on a post. Kal V’choimah from someone who should know better.
Like others this thread should be closed for fear of further responses that some of us have been pushed into in whilst wanting to suport posters we have communicated and befriended albeit in a cyber fashion with over a long period of time.
Anybody know the condition of Chaim Dovid ben Leah?
I saw an ad in one of the papers last week to make Shabbos a few minutes early, say tehillim, etc. May he have a refuah shelaimah.
I heard they found leukemia. Anyone know if it’s true?
~a~
Please dont spread rumors. The situation is not looking good. He needs lots of Rachamei Shamayim.
Isn’t there enough on the main site about this?
Who checks there anyways?
Exactly. Which is why it’s discussed there and not here.
ames, I think most vaccines have risks and most parents would give them anyways.
I guess I deserved that sarcasm. My point was that I don’t understand why this is a news item worthy of discussion – any more than regular flu. I don’t remember having a discussion here about getting the seasonal flu shot.
We’ve already discussed teh swine flu. Most people here seem to agree that it is overblown, to put it mildly, and that the hype about it is just a result of preying on everyone’s fear of impending apocalypse.
The vaccine is a natural follow up – just like the CDC and WHO have to do something to validate their existence, the drug companies have to produce revenue to validate theirs.
Why would we give credence to this bogus news item by discussing it any further?
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direct quote from Reuters, 30 minutes ago:
“Swine flu has infected well over 1 million people in the United States, and is now the CDC’s No. 1 priority. Other research also shows that older children and young adults are by far the most likely to become infected with the new virus.
The World Health Organization predicts a third of the world’s population will eventually be infected. “
Ames, don’t think I would get the vaccine. The speed that the government wants to get this vaccine out, is kind of scary and kind of fishy. How do we know it’s going to be effective in the short amount of time that this vaccine was supposedly tested?? I’ve read somewhere that most doctors and people in the healthcare field, will not want to get the swine flu vaccine. Actullay if you google, swine flu vaccine, you will find that there is some kind of conspricracy involved. I’ve even read on a jewish site, that the flu was intentionally started, that the drug makers are in it to make money. Just google, and you will be scared, very scared!!
I say save the vaccine for those with autoimmune conditions and/or on immunosuppressants. Being closely related to someone like this, I worry about how it will mutate in the fall and our specialist reassured us that the H1N1 vaccine shouldn’t carry the risks of its 70s predecessor.
mazal77, I just did what you suggested and read an article and listened to a presentation tying all the pieces of the conspiracy together. it seems that the conspiracy is based on the huge amounts of money that can be made off this vaccine. so, as usual it is follow the money. the accusation is that they are promoting the killing of people to better their personal, organization and/or company bottom line.
I usually do not buy into these conspiracies, however in the last minute of a close to 11 minute presentation, the presenter offered a solution that is far more cost effective and he claims 100% safe. I am not going to promote the product, but suffice to say that if enough people accept the theory of the presenter and refuse the vaccine and buy the product that the presenter is offering, well, a quick look at the website for the product reveals that the presenter is the managing member of the company that produces the alternative treatment.
Based on the conspiracy model presented that money is the factor, FOLLOW THE MONEY, perhaps the motivating factor of the presenter is create false fear and make more (and what if lives are lost based on the created fear? is that is just an unfortunate byproduct).
MDlevine, I did know or meant the conspriracy that you looked at.. Wacky as it seems, what I read was something from a Jewish website, an article written by a Dr. Daisy Stern. Look that up.
This article I had read, was not trying to sell anything to counter the swine flu. This article, was about a worldwide conspriracy to de-populate the world, using this vaccine. If I did not read the article, I would have never believed it. But it makes a lot of sense as to why the WHO organization decided to declare the swine flu a pandemic. I could not figure it out. I mean if every single person who contacted the swine flu died, then I could understand the WHO reasoning, but really, most who passed on, already had underlying health issues. So why would a panidemic be declared?? Another scary thought is the government can force people into the getting these vaccines, if it is declared a crisis, even though, the vaccines have not been fully tested for effectiveness.
MAzal77, I just looked it up and I noticed that many of the same claims were being made: manufactured flu and vaccine to cull the population and increase profits all with the explicit and implicit consent of leading health and disease wellness organizations as mentioned by the “esteemed” Dr. in the presentation that I watched and whos article I read
mazal77:
According to the writings of Dr. Daisy Stern, the flu vaccine is actually an “anti-fertility vaccine” intended to reduce the world’s population. She believes the flu pandemic was created by the WHO (which is actually controlled by the Vatican) & Henry Kissinger. This theory does not seem all that plausible to me.
I believe that if an “anti-fertility” vaccine existed, it would have been used in China decades ago, included in mandatory polio or smallpox injections. The WHO fights many diseases that don’t kill most of those infected (for example, malaria & TB), and also works to discourage tobacco use. So to argue that WHO would only be interested in swine flu if it kills almost everyone who gets it is missing the point.
China- has a 1 child policy. Infanticide is very common in China. Women are forced to have abortions. Read the article again.
Actually, I am no so concerned on her theory of the infertillty, I am concerned about the vaccinations them self. I don’t think they are safe!!
Please explain why the WHO rushed to declare a pandemic?? Why do they want to risk giving people expertmental vaccines?? I’ve read the article, and so have you. I have drawn my own conclusions, as you have to. Would you take the vaccine?? Do you want to be a guinea pig??
“July 29(Bloomberg) Swine flu vaccinations makers, may rely on a US emergency declaration, to use experimental additives made by Glaxosmithkline, plc, & Novartis to boost limited supplies of shots that will be available to fight the Pandemic.” This quote was taken from the article.
mazal77, I am aware of China’s one child policy & the resulting infanticide. My point is that if a reliable “anti-fertility” vaccine exists, as Dr. Stern claims is central to the WHO’s plot to depopulate the world, it would have already been used in China decades ago. This would have been much more politically expedient for the Chinese government than forcing women to have abortions, and better for business besides.
I think the WHO is encouraging everyone to get the vaccine because they believe that hundreds of millions of people could die from the swine flu. They believe that the vaccine is safe, so relatively few people are likely to be harmed by any side effects (plesae note that the injectable version uses a killed virus, so no one can catch the flu from it). Since they believe that more people (as in orders of magnitude more) are likely to die from swine flu than be harmed by the swine flu vaccine, they are recommending it. Keep in mind, also, that in many countries sanitary conditions are such that people are not able to take the health precautions that slow the spread of disease.
That’s not to say that I think everyone in the US should rush to get the vaccine–you should consult your own medical professional to discuss it. But I don’t believe the claims that the flu vaccine is intended to sterilize its recipients, or that the flu itself was deliberately created in some laboratory (another claim Dr. Stern makes, one which isn’t entirely consistent with her depopulation theory above).
mazal, no offense please, but anytime you see a conspiracy theory you should be skeptical.
ames, you actually read the whole thing?
If anyone would like to summarize this article in a few sentences, it would be appreciated
mepal I appoint you (acceptance is optional) to summarize the summary. If a further summarization is in order after that, I’ll do it
lol, I would love to. Problem is, I honestly dont have the time to read it now. I’m in a major rush on this side of the pc. (But there’s always time to check CR!!)
The Health Protection Agency has purportedly sent out a secret letter to neurologists warning them that the new swine flu vaccine might cause GBS (a brain nerve disease), just like the vaccine in 1976 did. In 1976, 40 million Americans received the vaccine – 500 contracted GBS and 25 died from the condition. The article questions why this is being kept secret. Various sources quoted doubt that the disease is serious enough to warrant a vaccine, and clearly believe that only those with serious health issue (who are highest risk if they contract the flu) should bother getting vaccinated.
I’ll keep my own commentary out of this summary post, since I was not quoted in the article.
squeak thank you, still a little long for Erev Shabbos. I’ll summarize your summary of the summary.
SF vaccine dangerous?: yes?, no?………maybe
Wow, 80! That’s even shorter than the headline. Editor, step aside…
You think that was good?
SF vaccine?
ok ames
im always leary (not timothy) of ANYTHING new in the way of medical treatment. and i have been almost always right.
First comment: It is openly stated that top priority will be given to pregnant women, when administering the vaccine. This proves mazal’s theory.
Second comment: Why is it still a guinea pig vaccine? What have they been doing since 1976? Remind me why we’ve been paying scientists all these years. Yoish.
Flu
everyone will be able to figure out the rest 😉
squeak, thanks for doing my job! Appreciated!!
Funny, I just spoke to a pediatric specialist who specifically said that GBS is NOT going to be a risk this time. If you want to say, show me the money, considering the shortages there are going to be, and that he hasn’t always got flu shots stocked for his patients, I think he’s sincere.
Do you have a reputable direct link I could look up?
when is the vaccine coming out?
is there still alot of people getting swine flu NOW?
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