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Are you more frum than your parents or less frum than them?
Define Frum :).
Does the definition change if someone calls themselves MO?
I’m more Frum than my parents, but they are baalei teshuva so it’s different. As a kid, the way I viewed it was that by being more Frum than my parents, I was following in their footsteps to a very small degree (since they are more more Frum than their parents than I am more Frum than mine). So maybe they should be considered more Frum than me?
My children are more Frum than I am – they are so Frum that they couldn’t deal with the concept of being in a world of gashmius and preferred to stay in the Shamayim.
Some would consider me OTD along with my parents
My kids are too young to be OTD
What do you mean by frum?
Larger yarmulka, more chumras, a connection with Hashem, more chitzoniyus, more pnimiyus?
My father wears a yarmulka which is about 4 times the size of mine.
I see it now – the wonders of asynchronous conversations.
In regards to external trappings, my parents definitely *look* frummer.
But as to how I would define frum, I’d venture to say say that I think I’m frummer.
I’ll post later how I would define frum – I have to think about how to concentrate it into one post.
Meno – either his yarmulka must be huge or yours must be teeny or both. Which is it?
And how could both you and your parents be OTD? They went from Chareidi to MO and then you went from MO to Chiloni? Or they went from Chassidish to Yeshivish or vice versa and then you became MO?
I always thought you sounded pretty Frum from your posts as far as I can recall.
Gofish: “In regards to external trappings, my parents definitely *look* frummer.
But as to how I would define frum, I’d venture to say say that I think I’m frummer.”
That sounds interesting. I’m curious to hear how you define Frum.
LU,
I wear a pretty small Yarmulka (not tiny) but my father wears a huge one.
(4 times the area, which means only twice the diameter)
And I was just saying OTD according to some of the definitions that have been popping up around the coffee room. It was a joke. Most of the things I say are just jokes.
considering both my parents reside in a place that is purely emes and spirituality I don’t think it’s even comparable.
Meno – Don’t worry, I realized it was a joke.
Joseph – what about you?
Syag – your response reminds me of a shidduch resume I was sent. For the question “location of parents”, the guy responded with the name of the cemetery.
Joseph – it depends. im less frum than my dad but as frum as my mom.
Meno – why are you considered OTD? wearing a small yarmulka DOESNT make you OTD. what makes someone OTD is if they stop keeping shabbos and kosher and some other stuff.
My mother doesn’t even wear a yarmulka (gasp).
Truth be told, I unfortunately do not come up to their ankles in being frum or Yiras Shamaim. My father works in Kiruv, one-man-band, 26/7 as a side job. His regular job is in Kiruv, mass scale with a known organization. My mom also works… She is a role model of what a Jewish Jew ought to look like.
Sorry Mommy I’m so lacking. Maybe one day…
Little Froggie – it’s the hasagos that count the most…I remember a teacher of mine once saying (possibly quoting Rav Hutner Ztzal) that someone who did not spend his whole life learning and now wishes he had is greater than someone who spent his whole life learning and wishes he hadn’t.
I’m definitely more religious than my parents.
Socially we’re similar. In pnimius they have their stronger points and I have mine. With that said I’m in awe of their avodas hashem sometimes.
I don’t want to be mekatrik on myself therefore this question will remain unanswered on my part
Sparkly,
I have a smartphone. I think some people in the coffee room had said that having a smartphone means you’re OTD
Meno, I’m not sure, but I think if that was said it was probably only said in a certain context. Like, maybe in response to a post about smoking being OTD, someone said that IF smoking is OTD, then having a smartphone for sure is. I could be wrong, but it’s a bit hard for me to imagine that someone in the CR could have said that and meant it literally.
Meno – I feel better now though knowing that’s what you meant. I was going to ask you, but I was worried about what the answer would be…
We think we are something we really are not.
Lets not kid ourselves. If we were frum why are we still reincarnating time after time? The yester h doesn’t mind; another lifetime of sins to collect. The issues we have today are baggage we hauled from our previous lives.
We need to make tikun and try to clean up ourselves.
Meno I’m not sure whether you’re joking. I said something similar and it was in the context LU explaind. Also it really doesn’t matter what name you give something.
I was joking. I’m usually joking. I’m a clown, that’s what I do. If I’m ever not joking, it will be very clear that I’m not joking.
I thought you were an engineer…
I’m certainly more concerned with externals (definition of “Frum”) than my parents. It is a sign of the times.
A Galach is Frum, a Yid is Erlich.
Engineer is only my profession. I am a clown
Meno I had a friend once who made jokes all the time. I forget what happened to him.
Yes
Person1,
Hmm. I had a friend once who was a person. Maybe it was you
gavra _ at_ work:”A Galach is Frum, a Yid is Erlich.”
I read that in Rav Yaakov Kamenetzky zatsal’s kehila, they used to refer to people as Ehrlich, not as Frum.
I really like that. It has a much more pnimiusdik connotation, and sounds like it includes both Bein Adam l’Makom and Bein Adam L’Chaveiro, both Halachos involving actions and chovos halevavos.
Joseph – what about you?
I can’t really answer the question because my parents didn’t deal with the same internal or external situations (nisyonis) that I do. Nor did they grow up with the adanatages I did.
All things being equal who is/would be frummer? I don’t know.Only Hashem knows who is really frummer.
Smerel – we are not talking about who is better. That no one knows as you wrote.
I read that in Rav Yaakov Kamenetzky zatsal’s kehila, they used to refer to people as Ehrlich, not as Frum.
I really like that. It has a much more pnimiusdik connotation, and sounds like it includes both Bein Adam l’Makom and Bein Adam L’Chaveiro, both Halachos involving actions and chovos halevavos.
Exactly. Frum means Chitzonius, how you want others to view yourself. Erlich means “honest” (literally), which is how you want to relate both to the RBSO and others.
more or less frum doesn’t quite make sense
either you are frum or you are not
I am frum & so are my parents PERIOD
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