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So someone go ask a gadol if it’s assur to wear sunglasses, and report back to us. Please report his answer and name – no hiding behind anonymity.
mewho & Charlie – I said most, not e/o. If you wear them all year round, it wouldn’t be a problem.
mommamia22 -“People are not taking leisurely walks, spending loads of time outdoors.”
True, but they drive around all the time. If they wear the same sunglasses then, then fine. Most people you will see, somehow misplaced their sunglasses during the winter.
Health
Do you wear sunglasses?
Let’s be honest about this. If sunglasses are ruled out then so should fur coats (look around BP and chassunas in the winter), high heeled boots and shoes, straight skirts, make-up, or let’s go further. How about I-pads? We have one and it definitely draws attention. I’m sorry, but I think the community has gone too far with this one. Do we have so little to think about that we could start nitpicking about glasses?? Bizarre.
Ok, I know I’m ranting about this one, but, I have cousins in Israel who don’t have mirrors in their house so their daughters won’t become vain. When they got ready for dates they would have to try to see their reflection in the glass of their china cabinet. Everybody on their own level. Is it meritorious? Yes. Should we expect most people to be ready to follow this? No. I think it’s the same with glasses. An argument can be made for both sides. Pick which one you’re ready for, and if/when you feel you’re ready to take on more, ask a rav.
mommamiia22- these Israeli cousins of yours probably dont leave there home without the sunglasses!
my sis-in-law (in Israel) doesnt.
and like s/o mentiond before, driving in the winter when the sun is low.. I consider it mandatory!!
I personally called Moreinu v’Rabienu HaGaon Harav Shloimele Rosenbaum, the haliger Shaputzniker Rebbe of Tzfas, shlit”a, and put to him the following question:
“Is there any reason that wearing sunglasses would not be considered tznua?”
His answer, word for word:
“That’s one of the most retarded things I’ve ever heard.”
I think this all boils down to sensitivity. I drive a car in the United States, but would not do so when visiting friends in Charedi neighborhoods in Eretz Yisroel, where women don’t drive. It is conspicuous to drive there, similar to a woman driving a large truck here in the United States.
Many sunglasses that are worn make a fashion statement and call attention to the wearer as do too fancy clothes or too much makeup. One can’t put a guideline on what is too much makeup, it’s really a sensitivity.
A person who needs sunglasses to protect his eyes and yet wants to be modest and refined looking can certainly look for some that are quieter and more conservative than many of those being sold today. For an important interview or business meeting no one would try to achieve the “cool” look. The same should be true for the frum Jew always.
The American Ophthamology Association announced (several years ago) that people should be wearing large sunglasses with complete UVA protection anytime that they are outdoors during daylight hours, as the sun is always out. As most Rabbonim recommend that you follow the advice of physicians, I cannot see how wearing sunglasses would be anything but necessary.
why are you making such a bog deal bout something so small. nit picking cannot be helpful for chinuch of children!!!!!!
American Ophthamology Association
i just got a call from some girl in haifa, she said its the american academy of ophthalmology
Lets face the facts. The sunglasses made for health reasons look very different than the ones made for fashion. If you wearing sunglasses that are in fashion with a designer name on it don’t delude yourself that you are doing it for your “health.” I don’t believe for one second that your eyes need Prada or Armani or Ray Ban… you aren’t fooling anybody.
you are right about the stylish ones. there is a way to do everything and anything.
I like this thread.
Then someone noted that sunglasses are made for fashion.
Then everyone made the “leap of faith” that anything which is made for fashion is not tznius.
So now the debate is framed as whether sunglasses are made for fashion.
This is retarded. Women are allowed and encouraged to wear things which are only made for fashion. For example, jewelery.
This is almost as bad as the “should I marry a canadian” troll thread.
There’s fashion and there’s fashion. Red nail polish and lipstick is also fashionable.
New Game:
Estimate the amount of times an appeal to ridicule was used as a logical refutation in this thread.
PBA -“This is retarded. Women are allowed and encouraged to wear things which are only made for fashion. For example, jewelery.”
There is nothing wrong for women to wear things for fashion, but it has to be in a Tzinusdike manner. Would you consider it Tzinusdik for a woman to have those humongous earrings or s/o whose necklace goes around many times and is made up of diamonds that anybody who looks has to squint? Do you consider it ok for a woman to wear a bright red dress even if everything is covered properly?
There are wearing things that others do in a nice way and others do it a not nice way.
Perhaps you haven’t seen the women wearing these loud sunglasses, like a lot of posters here, so you think that this is some troll.
mommamia22 -“Health -Do you wear sunglasses?”
I have a pair of clip-ons that I keep in the car and wear as needed.
There’s fashion and there’s fashion. Red nail polish and lipstick is also fashionable.
I don’t think I suggested being fashionable automatically makes something ok.
@Health. Sure, there may be some which are not tznius. But it won’t be because they are fashionable.
i wear sunglasses when i drive. if i dont i squint and if i squint too long i get head aches. does that mean that i’m not a tznius person? NO it means i take my eyesight seriously. but i put them on IN the car and take them off before i get OUT of the car. and like with short on Y”K, its a sensitivity, and not a clear cut black/white answer. theres lots of grey areas out there. especially if you are wearing sunglasses B)
PBA -“Sure, there may be some which are not tznius. But it won’t be because they are fashionable.”
So we agree that not all sunglasses out there are ok to wear.
I don’t know all sunglasses. I was merely responding to the notion that it depended on whether they were fashionable.
(But, I have never seen sunglasses which I would find objectionable. Perhaps I should get out more.)
Oh – I’ve seen them and I’m not looking for it – I don’t belong to the Tzinus police.
I believe there is more of a Halachic incentive to obligate women to wear sunglasses than to forbid it. The Rabbeinu Yonah in Brachos has Shittah that (as far as I’m aware) no one holds by that states that anything that a woman is praised for in Shir Hashirim is an Ervah. So eyes should be an Ervah and any woman who wants to be Choshesh for that would have to wear sunglasses or tinted glasses to prevent her eyes from being seen. (And yes, the bigger the lenses the less likely it is that someone will see her eyes.)
“As most Rabbonim recommend that you follow the advice of physicians”
Uh, how about ALL rabbonim? That is in fact the normative halachah.
“I don’t believe for one second that your eyes need Prada or Armani or Ray Ban.”
My regular trifocal frames are Prada. (Does that make me the Devil?) My trifocal sunglasses frames are Ray Ban.
WIY
Do you shop in a thrift store?
What you’re saying sounds ridiculous, suggesting that name brand anything is untzniusdik.
Sam- Your logic to require sunglasses would logically extend to require burkas.
Tomche: Of course it would. That was my point. That’s (presumably) one of the main reasons no one holds like that Rabbeinu Yonah. And yet there is still more of a Halachic basis in that than in saying it’s Assur to wear sunglasses.
my wife, who has a firm grip on hilchos tznius has just informed me that covering up too much, as the scary ladies in meah shearim who actually, no, im not kidding, wear burkas with slits for eyes(part of a fringe movement that no-one holds of), is also a lack of tznius cuz dressing like that attracts attention. it would stand to reason that eye-catching sunglasses shouldnt be different.
my wife, who has a firm grip on hilchos tznius has just informed me…
A real tzanua wouldn’t allow herself to be quoted on the internet.
Toi: There is no such thing as Hilchos Tznius. Hilchos Tznius states which parts of the body must be covered and nothing more. Everything else is a Hanhaga which really just depends on your community, event, etc.
“sunglasses are not tznius?!”
FALSE.
EYECATCHING sunglasses may not be tzniusdik.
This is like saying “clothes are not tzniusdik.”
Eyecatching clothes are not tzniusdik.
??????? ??? ????????? (Dvarim 4:15 & Yehoshua 23:11) includes protecting our vision from harmful sun rays (uva & uvb).
You can get uva and uvb protection on standard (non-sun) glasses.
Yes but those dont help if the sun is too bright and blinding.
specially when driving.
AYC -“sunglasses are not tznius?!”
FALSE.
EYECATCHING sunglasses may not be tzniusdik.”
While most posters here would probably agree with this statement, I went back to the origins of this topic. In the “boys chewing gum” topic Sam posts that in a certain neighborhood they say all sunglasses aren’t Tzinus. Whether he is mistaken because he didn’t hear this directly -first hand -who knows?
Health: I heard this firsthand from a relative of mine. It is a community in Eretz Yisroel. She has eye issues and was informed that women are not permitted to wear sunglasses in that community. Her quote was that they are not Tznius because they are “modernish”.
Sam2 – Ya know -I figured it was there; not something that would probably occur here, even in the most Farfrumt communities.
sam- after a few years in seminary, there are a few things i dont question her on; this is among them.hanhagos and the like.
Am yisroel chai
I totally agree. Very well said.
i love coffe – No one here (Lkwd) would say all sunglasses aren’t Tzinus!
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