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Q: We know that if one uses a stolen lulav they are not yotzei the mitzvah because of lachem.Why don’t we say a’sei(shaking the lulav)knocks of the lo ta’sei(stealing)?
A:By adom l’chaveiro a’seh does not knock of the lo tas’eh.
A:Stealing has hashvas aveida connected to it(a’sei),so a a’sei(shaking lulav) cannot knock off a a’sei and lo ta’sei(stealing).(M’rafsin Igri)
I don’t get it. Lachem is a T’nay in the Mitzva. Besides, unless you are stuck with only others’ Lulavim, we don’t say that it is Doche, and Mitzva Habaa Ba’aveira is always a problem.
You should have put this topic under Beis Medrash.
I agree with HaLeivi’s point. The question never gets off the ground. Your question would only apply after the first day, in which case Lulav is D’Rabannan and stealing is D’Oraisa. And even so, you can only say Aseh Doche Lo Sa’asei when the two are simlutaneous. If the Lo Sa’asei comes first then it’s a Mitzvah Haba’ah ba’aveirah.
Sam4: That one doesn’t make sense either. batel Da’ato Eitzel Kol Adam. If you’re Pattur you’re Pattur and bringing food that will be ruined out is presumably an issue of Bal Tashchis.
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Well, then these Vert;ech feel very strange.
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Ragachovers Assistant, thanks for that. It is Devarim Mistabrim. I was going to add to my comment that although I didn’t think there was a Shaala, his answers are good ones.
Sam4321, if you request it, the moderators can chamge it, I think.
As to staying on in the rain:
I heard that Reb Moshe stayed, saying that it doesn’t bother him. I’ve felt, and then saw in the Mishmeres Shalom (Kaydinov), that the Mashal in the Mishna only applies to Eretz Yisroel. In Chutz La’aretz, where it typically rains in that time, it is not a deliberate Simman.
Sam2, why would you apply Daas Kol Adam here? Mitzta’er is an individual based rule.
R Chaim Ozer ZT”L once had a distinguished guest visit him on succos. He was old and frail at the time and could not withstand the cold Lithuanian winters, and so when his guest went out into the succah to eat, R’ Chaim Ozer apologized to him and explained that he would not be joining him since mitzta’ar patur min hamitzvos. A short time later, the visitor was surprised to see R’ Chaim Ozer all bundled up enter the sukkah. R’ C.O explained, true that mitzta’ar is patur from th emitzvah of succah, but not from the mitvah of Hachnasas orchim. (as we see from Avrohom Avinu)
Sam4: Assuming I read it right, I never get vorts like that. It Mamash completely reverses what the words mean.
HaLeiVi: I feel like it should apply. Have to think it out more. Can you say that a real Istenis is always Pattur because just being outside annoys him?
I haven’t met that time of person, but I did hear of a fat person who didn’t fit out his door for a very long time. After losing some wait he went outside but he felt very insecure and uncomfortable.
Also, Ke’ein Teduru can’t be excluding the very fact that your own room is covered with a solid roof.
Batul Daato is said when we are defining what is normal. You cannot make your own norm that is different than what is actually normal. This applies to a Shinui in a Melacha on Shabbos, as well as juicing uncommonly juiced fruits. In our case, we are not trying to figure out what something is. We are asking what the person feels.
Here’s one place where feelings play a big role in Halacha.
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