Stupid ASPCA commercials

Not to minimize anyone’s argument, but if you want a moment of comic relief, please scroll up to my little off-the-battlefield post.

Aren’t the 3 weeks an an odd time for posters to be INSULTING each other? Why HURT other people? Even if you are defending kovod hatorah, kindly consider kovod habriyos.

Animals relationship to humans, when a human is actually looking at an animal, is an emotional experience.

The commercials appeal to emotions to get results, even if they do so in a syrupy manner.

Someone has to care about the animals.

The Torah contains the oldest and best animal rights statutes to be found anywhere.

Long story short, we are here, in part, due to animals.

When Noach’s son was asked what they did on the tayva to merit existing and surviving the flood, he responded that they took care of the animals.

Too often we respond to caring about animals by pitting them against humans, which is absurd. In most cases a human life in more valuable (exceptions would be various stripes of y’mach shemom), but by saying humans (for the most part) are more valuable, too often leads to the neglect of caring for animals.

Let people who want to care about animals do so without prejudice.

I’d suggest people read R’ Dovid Sears’ book on Compassion for Animals and Judaism for a better insight into these matters.

Curiosity -“Health. I disagree. That makes a human being’s life intrinsically more worthy than that of an animal’s. I did not say more “deserving,” only more inherently worthy.”

Ya’see what you did was call him out on something when he was correct. Instead of admitting you’re wrong -you start with mind games. NOONE was talking about “intrinsically more worth”.

His quote:

“In most cases a human life in more valuable (exceptions would be various stripes of y’mach shemom),”

This is correct.

Your post:

“Curiosity – BTGuy-

I’m sorry, but your statements are not in line with Torah thought.”

He didn’t talk about “intrinsically more worth”, so his statements are in line with the Torah!

popa_bar_abba

“What is funny about animals dying on the street?

Animals dying in the street is funny?

That it doesn’t matter at all if animals die in the street. Of course they die in the street–they also live in the street! Where would you want them to live? In a house? They don’t live in houses–they’re animals!

lololol

animals “dying on the street” is not simply a description of the location of their death. It is also indicative of their lifestyle and cause of death. It means that the animal did not find a place with a family or even a shelter, and instead scavenged scraps on the street, was likely disease-ridden, and almost certainly died of starvation.

lolol

Animals don’t need a home! They don’t need a human family! They are supposed to eat scraps. That is what they naturally do!

Did you hear about the poor deer? It lived in the forest without even a tent, and then it was murdered by a wolf and eaten alive! What a pity–lololol”

I guess you didnt read last weeks parsha about the godros for the tzon and how about Yakov Avinu building succos for his animals?

PETA kills animals for no reason.

Hi RebbYidd23. I feel its unbecoming of Jews to participate in big lies. Historically, we have been victims of this like no other.

I understand it is not your fault. There is a “cultural” phenomenon in our community of people conditioned to parrot a particular spin on things with a sense of righteousness, even though they have zero direct experience, or have done any research.

Peta has done tremendous work to prosecute animal abusers and save the lives of animals used for experimentation, such as in the case of John Hopkins University adopting computer imagery over dissection of cats and pigs for students not really at the stage of declaring a specialty. And cosmetic companies using placenta to test ingredients instead of wiring up rabbits and monkeys.

Animal Liberation Front has also done some nice work, saving the rest of us time from having to work on solving tzar balei chaim injustices in this world.

In my experience, the only animals I see killed for no reason are the families who get their kinderlach pets like hamsters, gerbils, rabbits, etc., and when the kids stop feeding them for about a week, they release these “pet shop” pets into the woods, where they will not survive. Additionally, boys like to do things such as cover baby squirrels in Purell. Older boys like to throw bird eggs in the parking lot until all of them are broken, or they like to have contests throwing bricks to see who can joyfully knock a birds nest out of the tree first, whether the nest is occupied or not.

Other than those scenarios, I dont think Peta or ALF kill animals. They save them.

Hi ari-free.

With all due respect, that view is outmoded and part of the conditioning process whereby people have not done their own research on the matter.

I applaud those innovators who have advanced science with advanced methods to determine what is suitable for humans, and moved beyond thinking results from other species apply to the human condition, and in the process spared countless lives of innocent living creatures, whether it is for medical research or consumer products.

Awesome vayoel! 😀

Cats are great! I always say, never underestimate the awareness of an animal. Cats are very cool and astute pets. Enjoy!

Incidentally, I believe I can safely say it is a mitzva for you to have rescued and now are taking care of your cat, even though it is a two-way street and our pets offer us a lot as well. Here is the ryah:

I dont recall the details, and you probably know better than I do, but I believe Avraham’s grandson or great-grandson had asked one of Noach’s children about what mitzvos they were able to do on the taiva to merit sustaining themselves and to merit surviving. He answered by saying, “We took care of the animals.”

My fellow chassidim think I’m nuts for having one

@reb yidd23 kol hakuved