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Folks, Dihydrogen Monoxide , is just another name for Water.
Brains of Non-Autistic Children and Non-Alzheimers Elderly DON”T have high level
of aluminum – which probably came from VACCINES that are pushed on everyone
but ESPECIALLY Pregnant women, Babies and little children and ELDERLY!RebYid: Prove that ADHD is a real disorder.
There is no genetic marker/blood test for ADHD.
Just like there is no genetic marker/blood test for Autism.
Both Autism and ADHD began skyrocketing when CDC QUADRUPLED the Vaccine Schedule.
Vaccines are the main culprit in both.dooms
Regarding klienfetlters
“Intelligence is usually normal; however, reading difficulties and problems with speech are more common.”When you have some time look up “usually”
Then take a second and think hard regarding “reading difficulties and problems with speech ”“If there are normal facial features, it is probably NOT genetic retardation. ”
when you are done looking up the word usually., look up “probably”
“Lets return back to the SAFE Vaccine Schedule of FOUR Vaccines instead of 70+”
So you accept that 4 vaccines are safe, but adding a 5th is dangerous.
Yet you maintain that this assertion of yours is impossible to disprove since a study that would show no difference between 4 vs 5 vaccines is not relaible becasue it is not “vaxx vx non-vaxx”
So you have an assertion that you got from your neighbor/friend that you agree is absolutely impossible to disprove . forcing you to make increasingly bizzare arguments (your assertion regarding “Genetic Retardation and Manufacturers denying their products cause harm are particularly bizarre)
do I have this right?Doomsday,
do you K NOW the acceptable cancer levels for every chemical in your drinking water and all drinking water throughout the USA , for the pesticides in your food and for the air you breath? This is called MANANAGED RISK; the balancing of the negative effects of man added chemicals to other risks.This was discussed at my kitchen table when I was growing up many years ago and it still holds true.
All of life is managed risk. If you want no risk, think of where you need to live.
What is your risk tolerance? Polo etc vs possible complications
Are you old enough to know the scare that polo caused and do you know how BAD the effects of polo are? If you do you, think about it before you say anything else.; i.e. Iron lung – look it up!
Ubiquitin:“Lets return back to the SAFE Vaccine Schedule of FOUR Vaccines instead of 70+…Yet you maintain that this assertion of yours is impossible to disprove since a study that would show no difference between 4 vs 5 vaccines is not relaible becasue it is not “vaxx vx non-vaxx”
There is no contradiction.
Medicine and Vaccines have both Benefits AND RISKS. Read any drug/vaccine insert.
Just because taking 4 pills is safe, does not mean taking 70+ pills is safe.
Do I really need to explain this to you? Really???In the 1960s and 1970s when there were only 4 vaccines usually given at age 5 when starting school,
American Children were MUCH, MUCH, MUCH HEALTHIER then today’s children.
And nobody was dying from measles, polio, diptheria, chicken pox, mumps etc.
And Autism was 1:10,000 – not 1:50. And there was hardly any learning disabilities, ADHD, Childhood Diabetes, Childhood Cancer, Allergies, Epilepsy etc.Regarding testing it is SCIENTIFIC to test vaxxed vs unvaxxed.
That is how it was proved Smoking causes cancer – they didn’t test 3 pack smokers vs 4 pack smokers.Regarding Klinefers Syndrome:
“Intelligence is usually normal;”
Nobody would say about Down Syndrome or any other Proven Genetic Retardation that
“intelligence is usually normal”.
Therefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation.So ALL PROVEN GENETIC RETARDATION has ABNORMAL FACIAL Features.
Autism does not.
Which is evidence that Autism is NOT primarly Genetic.ALL PROVEN GENETIC RETARDATION – the rate is about 1:10,000 except for Downs 1:1,000.
AND THE RATE HAS NOT CHANGED.
Because Genes do not change in 1-2 generations.There is No Such Thing as a Genetic Epidemic!
And we have an AUTISM EPIDEMIC – that is being caused by something in
the Environment – like Vaccines.
And the Autism Epidemic started when the CDC QUADRUPLED THE VACCINE SCHEDULE!Commonsense, I believe in MANAGED RISK – and most vaccines are NOT worth the Risk!
Lets look at the RISK of Measles vs the Risk of Vaccines
1:6 children are Learning Disabled
1:6 children are Allergic (can be Fatal!)
1:13 children have Asthma
1:15 children have ADHD
1:5 teens had episode of Mental illness
1:8 children have IBS
1:50 children have Autism
1:100 children have Epilepsy (seizures)
1:250 children have Tourettes Syndrome
1:400 children have Diabetes
1:775 babies DIE of SIDS
1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
1:5,560 children have CANCER
168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year.ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).
Polio is a serious illness but measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, rotovirus, whooping cough are not. And before vaccines were invented these illnesses were listed in medical textbooks as
BENIGN Childhood diseases. They only became “deadly” when Pharmaceutical Co developed vaccineAnd why to NEWBORNS have to vaccinated for Hepatitis B – A SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE?
I don’t think any frum Jews need to vaxxed for Hep B – but we are FORCED to anyway.doomsday
“Regarding testing it is SCIENTIFIC to test vaxxed vs unvaxxed.”
congrats you have repeated it for the 100th time
While it was made up the first 99 times, as has been explained to you over and over and over
Now that you said it 100 times it has become true“Just because taking 4 pills is safe, does not mean taking 70+ pills is safe.”
True, but that does not mean that taking 70+ pills is dangerous either.Suppose 4 pills were safe. (As you agree) Is there any way I could prove that 5 pills is also safe? How would I go about proving that 5 pills was no more dangerous than 4 pills ?
“So ALL PROVEN GENETIC RETARDATION has ABNORMAL FACIAL Features.”
Still not true. I provided Klienfelters as the first example. Tay sachs is another
You onl;y need to repeat it 97 more times for your lie to become true though.And again I”m not sure what you mean by “proven genetic retardation” (you are really just making terms up, I googling that term turns up nothing. I think I preffered it when yo uparroted anti-vax/pro-disease websites at least you made more sense then when yo u try to come up with your own ideas .
We Don’t know what genetic defect causes EVERY case of intellectual disability. Some we do know and these fall into “neat” cases of deletion/substitution etc of specific genetic material. Other cases were exposed to some insult like FAS or hypothyroidism . Still others we just don’t knowdidint yo claim to be in special ed? Are you telling me every child you have encountered had a specific identifiable cause of their disability?
There are many cases where we just haven’t identified the cause yet. That doesnt mean it isnt there“Therefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation”
Wait, what? so those with Klienfelters that do have a developmental delay, are yo u saying it has nothing to do with their genetic condition?
And you are aware tha t not all those with trisomy 21 have the same intellectual ability either. right?
doomsday-“Here is the Autism Rate Per the HOLY CDC – VACCINE PUSHER:
1970: 1:10,000
1995 1:1,000 – notice the HUGE Increase after CDC began increasing vaccine Schedule
1999: 1: 500
2000: 1:150
2006: 1:110
2008 1:88
2014: 1:68
2018: 1:59”Stop with your Hypocrisy!
You say the CDC Lies when it comes to vaccines; but you believe them when it comes to Autism rates.
Why?
SBM says it’s wrong numbers.Ubiquitin:“and has the autism rate changed?
Doomsday:No. because…”
Ubiquitin: Can you think of another possibility?
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Folks, I want to show you MORE EVIDENCE of how Ubiquitin LIES to cover up for Vaccines.
Ubiquitin deliberately OMITTED parts of the dialogue – because showing them doesn’t
cover up for Vaccine Caused Autism. Here is the Entire Dialogue – nothing OMITTED:Dooms: “Percentage of young U.S. children who don’t receive any vaccines has quadrupled since 2001.”
Ubiquitin: and has the autism rate changed?
Doomsday: No, because ONLY 1.3% OF CHILDREN ARE UNVACCINATED SO THEY DON”T EFFECT THE AUTISM RATE.
Folks, the part in Caps is the part Ubiquitin deliberately OMITTED Because it destroys her
Vaccine Cover-Up!Shame on you, Ubiquitin. I am on to your tricks.
Not the first time you OMITTED what I said to FOOL people!doomsday -“And we have an AUTISM EPIDEMIC”
There is No such thing according to Science Based Medicine website.
It’s something made up from the Anti-vaxx movement.
Even the CDC is involved with this conspiracy, just like they Push vaccinations.The Only Epidemic is the Measles Epidemic!
In the Frum communities and Now in Washington State.
From the News:
“The dangerous measles outbreak near Portland, Oregon, is what happens when people refuse to vaccinate their kids”Dooms
I didn’t omit anything
I am asking you if there is another possibility to answer the question : “and has the autism rate changed?”
You agree that it hasnt “No” and provided a silly answer
My question is “iCan you think of another possibility?”
I cant help but notice, you havent answered my question.
Speaking of dishonest ommiting,
here are more recnt questions you omitted answers to :1) “Therefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation”
Wait, what? so those with Klienfelters that do have a developmental delay, are yo u saying it has nothing to do with their genetic condition?
2) And you are aware tha t not all those with trisomy 21 have the same intellectual ability either. right?
3-4) didint you claim to be in special ed? Are you telling me every child you have encountered had a specific identifiable cause of their disability?
5-6) Suppose 4 pills were safe. (As you agree) Is there any way I could prove that 5 pills is also safe? How would I go about proving that 5 pills was no more dangerous than 4 pills ?Dont omit anything, just answer the questions (especially the last one please)
looking forwardUbiquitin, Klinefers is not retardation but Tay-Sachs does include retardation.
And you can Lie a MILLION times that we don’t need to compare
Vaxxed to Unvaxxed in order to be Scientific.But you would still be wrong.
Ubiquitin, I DARE you to answer this:
Why was the study that PROVED that smoking caused cancer Smoker vs Non Smoker????
Why didn’t all those PhD Scientists compare 3 pack smokers to 4 pack smokers in order
to determine if smoking caused cancer?I am not going to discuss vaccines but doomsday, please do give us a break on the ADHD, learning disabilities, SIDS, autism et al…
There was just as much ADHD then, just that it was only in the late 1960s that it was given that name and classified as a mental disorder. Learning disabilities were also far less likely to be identified and kids who had them were just called dumb. SIDS has gone down since mothers have been told to put babies to sleep on their stomachs and remove bumpers, stuffed animals, etc.
Autism, when diagnosed at a later age, can almost always be detected in hindsight. Many children on the autistic spectrum are able to compensate for a while, but eventually the brain simply can’t keep up anymore. Also, Asperbergs is now considered autism (for better or for worse), which complicates any study of autism from that point on.Ubiquiton: I didn’t omit anything
Wow! What a Shameless Liar.
Here is what Ubiquitin wrote:
Doomsday:No. because…”Here is what I actually said:
Doomsday: No, because ONLY 1.3% OF CHILDREN ARE UNVACCINATED SO THEY DON”T EFFECT THE AUTISM RATE.Ubiquitin – you see the part in caps – that the part you OMITTED, you Liar!
And you did not omit what I said because it was “silly”, you Liar.
You omitted it because it destroyed your argument.And here is where you Omitted again:
Here is what Ubiquitin wrote:
Doomsday: “You cannot provide ONE example of people accusing a product of harm & manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY!”Ubiquitin: What?
My neighbor accuses his microwave of reading his thoughtsHere is what I said:
Doomsday: “You cannot provide ONE example of LARGE GROUPS of people accusing a product of harm & manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY!”
Folks, see what Ubiquitin OMITTED – the phrase LARGE GROUPS. And then Ubiquitin brings
an example of ONE crazy person as “proof” to destroy my argument.Hey Ubiquitin – can you give an example where LARGE GROUPS of people accused a product of causing harm, the manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right.
No you can’t – that is why you OMITTED the phrase “LARGE GROUPS” – in order to LIE!Folks, notice how Pro Vaxxers have to LIE?
It means they cannot defeat my argument on the merit so they have to resort to Lies
to defend vaccines and deny that they are dangerous.Ubiquitin: Speaking of dishonest ommiting,
here are more recnt questions you omitted answers to :1) “Therefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation”
Wait, what? so those with Klienfelters that do have a developmental delay, are yo u saying it has nothing to do with their genetic condition?
2) And you are aware tha t not all those with trisomy 21 have the same intellectual ability either. right?
3-4) didint you claim to be in special ed? Are you telling me every child you have encountered had a specific identifiable cause of their disability?
5-6) Suppose 4 pills were safe. (As you agree) Is there any way I could prove that 5 pills is also safe? How would I go about proving that 5 pills was no more dangerous than 4 pills ?Dont omit anything, just answer the questions (especially the last one please)
looking forward
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1. I did not omit answering your claim that Klinefers is not mental retardation. (Another Lie)
I will repeat it again – please pay attention:
“Intelligence is usually normal;”
Nobody would say about Down Syndrome or any other Proven Genetic Retardation that
“intelligence is usually normal”.
Therefore Klinefers is NOT Genetic Retardation.Regarding your other point, go to the dictionary and look up the word “usually”
2. Yes. But virtually all Trisomy 21 are intellectually disabled although there is a RANGE.
3. Yes, I am a Special Ed Therapist.
4. Not all intellectual disabled have a Known Genetic Cause. I.D. can also be environmental.
5 & 6. Yes you can prove if 5 pills are safe.
Do a study 5 Pills vs ZERO Pills.
If there is no difference then 5 Pills are safe.And the only way to test if the 70+ Vaccine Schedule is safe is to test:
100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% UNVAXXED!That is the only SCIENTIFIC Way to know if the CDC Schedule is safe.
Anyone who denies that is ANTI-SCIENCE!doomsday,
You stated “Polio is a serious illness but measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, rotovirus, whooping cough are not. And before vaccines were invented these illnesses were listed in medical textbooks as BENIGN Childhood diseases. They only became “deadly” when Pharmaceutical Co developed vaccine”Are you crazy? Seriously.
Do you know the effect of these diseases are? Death, permanent life alternating effects, horrible birth defects, etc.
Please do any basic research of the number of death and life alerting cases for each of these diseases and you would NEVER EVER say such a stupid thing.
Even chipenpox,; do you know what effect of chickenpox is on a pregnant women who has never had it?
Clearly, you need to have some fact and reality checking.
It appears you do not listen to expert doctors, the medical profession, our rabbis, the written or oral Torah; you just listen to yourself and those that support you. Please do not repeat the same information for the 20th time.
I pray that you never get sick and need a doctor. If you do, how do you they will not be against you?
P.S. Is the managed risk of environmental pollution in your air, water and food worth it?
Health: Stop with your Hypocrisy!
You say the CDC Lies when it comes to vaccines; but you believe them when it comes to Autism rates.
Why? SBM says it’s wrong numbers.Yes, CDC Lies about Vaccines. But YOU ProVaxxers claim to believe CDC so I am using
CDC’s own chart to show you that there is a Massive Autism Epidemic – and it keeps going up.And SBM NEVER said that the CDC Chart is the wrong numbers.
SBM claimed that “World Wide” Autism Rate did not go up in 20 years.
And since every country defines Autism differently and not all countries keep accurate track
it is a STUPID LIE to Fool people like yourself that Autism is not Skyrocketing.
But even the CDC admits Autism IS Skyrocketing!EYMOM, Per the CDC the Autism rate in 1970 was 1:10,000.
In 1970 Autism was Defined as NON-VERBAL Autism.
You cannot Miss NON-VERBAL Autism. These children were never able to “compensate”.Then they changed the definition of Autism so that when the Autism Rate went up after they
QUADRUPLED the Vaccines, they could LIE:
No, Autism did not really go up. It’s just that we Expanded the DefinitionThe Autism rate is 1:50 – 1/3 are NON VERBAL Autism which means 1:150 are NON Verbal Autistic.
And in 1970, PER CDC, there were 1:10,000 NON Verbal Autistic.EY Mom – do you see how they are lying to you to hide that Non-Verbal Autism has SKYROCKETED?
Also, speak to any educator who has been teaching 20+ years if the number of children with
learning issues, behavior issues, ADHD, fatal allergies, asthma has skyrocketed.
The 20 Yr+ teachers KNOW THE TRUTH!Doomsday, why do you then believe that ADHD and autism are real? There is no genetic evidence, no physical evidence… Maybe it’s just a form of PTSD caused by abusive parents?
“Klinefers is not retardation ”
and neither is autism“Ubiquitin, I DARE you to answer this:”
sure!“Why was the study that PROVED that smoking caused cancer Smoker vs Non Smoker????”
Because they were trying to prove smoking causes cancer, if they wanted to prove a 4th pack causes cancer they would study 3 pack vs 4 pack
youre turn:
Suppose 4 pills were safe. (As you agree) Is there any way I could prove that 5 pills is also safe? How would I go about proving that 5 pills was no more dangerous than 4 pills ?Ubiquitin, to further clarify,
you would not test the safety of 5 pills by comparing 4 pills to 5 pills.
You would test 5 pills to zero pills.Reb Yid: Doomsday, why do you then believe that ADHD and autism are real? There is no genetic evidence, no physical evidence… Maybe it’s just a form of PTSD caused by abusive parents?
When a kid is non-verbal, rocking back and forth, hand flapping, self-injurying – it is real.
ADHD is sometimes fake – if parents/teachers were allowed to give a kid a smack they could probably
“cure” some ADHD.
But “Experts” who are smarter then the Torah decided that giving a kid a Smack is
“cruel”. That it’s more “compassionate” to drug 10% of all boys with Ritalin which may have
dangerous side effect. Plus the Pharmaceutical companies get to make Billions. So it’s win-win, right?But most of ADHD is real – kids who cannot sit still and focus for more then a few minutes.
And it’s probably caused by Vaccines – just like Autism, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma,
SIDS, cancer, diabetes, etc.Doomsday, I’m sorry, but your arguments are seriously incoherent.
ADHD isn’t determined by teachers or rebbeim. An ADHD diagnosis can only be made by a competent mental health professional. Teachers and rebbeim can refer students who they think may be presenting with ADHD symptoms, but that’s it. It’s not something “fake” or “real.” Anyone who has dealt with a child – or an adult family member, for that matter – with ADHD knows it’s real.
And are you really, seriously advocating smacking in the classroom? Forget modern psychology, gedolei Yisroel have come out against it for a host of reasons.
I will say it one more time: ADHD and learning disabilities grow because we are more aware of them. ADHD was only acknowledged and classified about 50 years ago. The proliferation of methods to deal with learning disabilities just means more kids are acknowledged as having them and are being helped. As for asthma, allergies, etc. – do you seriously believe that ALL these are being caused by vaccines? That makes no logical sense whatsoever and does no service to your argument.
Mind you, I’m not weighing in on the vaccine debate. But the arguments you’re advancing in support of your position are seriously lacking in coherence and in logic.dooms
“you would not test the safety of 5 pills by comparing 4 pills to 5 pills.”
why not?
One of those pills is critical to my patients health, it has already been proven to be safe.
why would I stop it thus putting him at risk?If 4 pills are safe, and adding a 5th pill has the same safety profile, why wouldnt that show that 5 pills are just as safe as 4
Doomsday, PTSD is real.
EY Mom – I’m a special ed therapist.
ADHD is primarily diagnosed based on parents/teachers filling out a check list of symptoms.
There is no blood test for ADHD.I said some ADHD is just lack of discipline but MOST ADHD IS REAL – please read carefully.
I’m not advocating for smacking in the classroom, but I want to make a point that some of the
bad behavior that is diagnosed as ADHD is really lack of discipline. And a Medical Doctor said this.
But MOST children really can’t control their behavior. ADHD is real.Do you know any teachers who taught 20+ Years? Ask them if ADHD, Learning issues and Behavioral Issues are not increasing.
Allergies and Asthma are caused by an OVER ACTIVE Immune system.
What do Vaccines do? They Artificially STIMULATE the immune system.
What happens when you do this dozens of times to a newborn baby?
You get skyrocketing rates of Asthma and Allergies which are AUTO-IMMUNE Diseases!
As is Diabetes and Childhood Arthritis which is also skyrocketing.I don’t know how old you are, but I remember when they served peanut butter in schools –
I went to the largest girls school – BY of BP 1,000+ girls and NOBODY was DEADLY allergic to peanuts.
Now so many kids are!
How did that just happen?
You think it’s a co-incidence that 1:6 children are allergic when it used to be extremely rare
at the SAME TIME as they QUADRUPLED (4 x) the number of vaccines given???Dooms
take a deep breath yo uare getting unhinged I didint omit anything .
you said that vaccine use has declined
I asked if the rate of autism has declined
yo usaid no and gave an answer
I asked if there was another possibilityI quoted your reply “No. because…””
I put ellipsis (look it up when you look up usually and probably) to indicate that there were words there that were cut off.
I’m asking if there is “Can you think of another possibility?” ” another” means you gave one, and Iwas wondering if it was possible for there to be another. ie not the one you gave.If there isnt say so, no need to throw a hissy fit and write LIAR over and over in caps, writing that just makes it seem like yo uthink, there is another possibility and that vaccines do not cause autism, but you are so invested that you have trouble acknowledging that
“Hey Ubiquitin – can you give an example where LARGE GROUPS of people accused a product of causing harm, the manufacturers deny where the manufacturers were right.”
sure can ! Lots of people believe microwaves read thoughts . I dont really understand this argument Just because “lots of people” believe something makes it true? How many people are “lots” because “lots believe the world is flat. “Lots believe in Christianity”
But nobody ever did a 4 pill vs ZERO pill test so we don’t really know if 4 pills are
as safe as ZERO pills.
translation: Nobody ever did a vax vs unvax study – even when it was only 4 vaccines.And when it comes to comparing the cancer rate between 69 packs and 70 packs
I don’t know if the cancer rate will be any different.
But that doesn’t mean smoking doesn’t cause cancer.And the harm caused by taking 69 vaccines (or pills) and 70 Vaccines (or pills)
may not be different – but that doesn’t mean the 70th vaccine is safe.Doomsday, you cannot refute the autism=ptsd thing because there are a million different ways to qualify it, and you’d have to argue again against each one. Let’s save time by you just admitting that you’re wrong.
Doomsday, this is exactly what I meant by a coherent argument. If you’re not advocating smacking but just want to say that lack of discipline might be behind some cases of ADHD, then don’t….advocate smacking.
As for the rest (allergies, etc.), if you want to say that all these things are caused by vaccines then you have to rule out anything else that might be causing them: pollutants, more chemicals and artificial ingredients in food, everything. If you haven’t, then you can’t say they are being caused by vaccines.
And I DID (sorry for the caps, don’t know how to do italics) say that ADHD, learning disabilities, etc. are increasing. The question is why. You say it’s vaccines. I say it’s awareness. The more aware you of a problem, the more you will see it.
You mentioned peanuts. I’m definitely old enough to remember when peanut butter and jelly sandwiches were the standard American lunch fare. But to say that vaccines are causing peanut allergies? I live in EY. All of my children, as well as all their friends, get all their vaccines. The percentage of nut allergies here? Miniscule. Why?
Again, I am not weighing in on the vaccine debate. I am weighing in on the cogency of your argument. If you are going to have any hope of convincing anyone, you are going to have to do a lot better than Neil Z. Miller, sorry.Doomsday -“CDC’s own chart to show you that there is a Massive Autism Epidemic – and it keeps going up.”
It’s going up, but Not because of vaccines.
Off the subject – Do you work for Age of Autism or any other Anti-vaxx site?!?
From Science Based Medicine.org:
“One of the central narratives of the antivaccine movement is that we are in the midst of an “autism epidemic,” which I’ve sometimes heard called an “autism tsunami.” This narrative is essential to the idea that vaccines cause autism because of the expansion of the vaccine schedule in the 1990s that antivaxers blame for the “epidemic” that’s occurred over the last 25 years. Basically, no autism epidemic, no vaccine causation. Antivaxers know this. Unfortunately, what they either don’t know or refuse to acknowledge is that an increase in diagnoses of a condition is not necessarily the same thing as a true increase in prevalence. An increase in diagnoses without a true increase in prevalence (on a biological basis) can occur through, for example, changing of the diagnostic criteria over time or increased screening.”“But nobody ever did a 4 pill vs ZERO pill test so we don’t really know if 4 pills are
as safe as ZERO pills.”wha tchanged your mind
earlier you said
“In the 1960s and 1970s when there were only 4 vaccines usually given at age 5 when starting school,
American Children were MUCH, MUCH, MUCH HEALTHIER then today’s children.
And nobody was dying from measles, polio, diphtheria, chicken pox, mumps etc.”So why cant we compare 5 vaccines to those 4 that you accept (or accepted as it seems like you are about tto change your mind) are safe
EY Mom, there is some evidence to suggest that vaccines prevent allergies, but they don’t make that much of an impact; the reason Americans have peanut allergies is mostly due to lack of early exposure in the form of Bamba.
Why is this thread still going on?! If you really think vaccines cause autism, you might be autistic yourself.
RebYidd23, I think you missed my point – or maybe I didn’t state it clearly. Either way, my point was totally not that vaccines prevent allergies. I never heard of such a thing. My point was that, if Doomsday is bringing the recent uptick in the prevalence of peanut allergies in America as proof that vaccines are causing allergies, then how does she (I think she, please correct me if I’m wrong) explain the lack of nut allergies in EY when the kids are getting the same vaccines?
And if Bamba is the answer, then vaccines aren’t what’s causing the problem. I mean, Bamba’s great and all, but if vaccines were the cause of allergies I’d be hard-pressed to believe Bamba could counteract them…Yes giving Bamba to babies is probably why Israel avoided the peanut allergy.
But in USA they never gave Bamba to babies (they’re now starting to) and hardly anyone
was deadly allergic to peanuts – until CDC quadrupled the vaccine schedule..Yidd23-“the reason Americans have peanut allergies is mostly due to lack of early exposure in the form of Bamba.”
You’re right & wrong. While Bamba causes Israeli kids not to have so much allergies, it’s not a cure all.
The medical theory in the US that there is an uptick with regards to Allergies, is because parents are more Neurotic with their child-rearing. Once upon a time, kids would play in the dirt & the street. Nowadays, parents are obssesed with cleaniest. The lack of exposure to the environment causes allergies, when they finally are exposed to those things.If anything, homes were cleaner from 1950-1980 with modern appliances and
STAY AT HOME Mothers but allergies didn’t explode until 1990s – when mothers
were working and housekeeping was lower standard.
So the “cleanliness theory” doesn’t work – or allergies would have exploded in the 1950sEY Mom, I am offended that you didn’t see that I deliberately twisted around your point.
Doomsday, stop sneaking in your hate against working mothers.
Sorry, RebYidd23. Sometimes facetiousness gets missed in typing. My deepest apologies. And no, I’m not being facetious.
Doomsday, so you’re saying that vaccines totally cause peanut allergies, but the reason they haven’t done so in Israel is because toddlers eat Bamba? In other words, one of the reasons it’s dangerous to inoculate babies from the time they’re one month old is because that can cause peanut allergies, but Israeli kids aren’t being affected by the peanut-allergy-inducing vaccines they’re getting from the time they’re infants because at a year or so they start eating Bamba?
Boy, if only Osem knew what a product they had…“And the harm caused by taking 69 vaccines (or pills) and 70 Vaccines (or pills)
may not be different – but that doesn’t mean the 70th vaccine is safe.”It absolutly would
Especially if that 70th pill was different than the previous 69, say for example it was MMR pillSo if a person dies after taking 69 pills and a person dies after taking 70 pills –
that proves the 70th different pill is safe?NO!
If you want to test the 70th pill you do the Pill vs ZERO pills.
That is SCIENTIFIC.Testing 69 pills vs 70 pills is NOT scientific – even if the 70th pill is different.
doomsday -“If anything, homes were cleaner from 1950-1980 with modern appliances and
STAY AT HOME Mothers but allergies didn’t explode until 1990s – when mothers
were working and housekeeping was lower standard.”You so don’t understand the point; but then again you don’t believe in Vaxxing – so no surprise here.
Listen we’re talking about kids – Moms didn’t care if the kids got dirty. Nowadays, even if the Moms are working they make sure the Goyta keeps the house & the kids spotless!Oh, and Doomsday, you really don’t get the DHMO point.
It’s not just the housecleaning. People use harsh detergents and bath soaps too.
Popping back in here.
Truth,
Not ony has SIDS declined significantly. Postneonatal mortality has declined.
While some changes they are better at being more specific in diagnosing childhood deaths, the increase to most categories are marginal so the net decrease in SIDS and post neonatal mortality has sharply declined.
Please dont confuse the facts, use them, dont confuse them.
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