Studies on vaccines you might have missed.👨‍🔬💉🚫

While a lot of parents are emotional and buy into the claim that vaccines have caused their childs autism. It is not hard to understand why they would buy into this idea, nor are they to blame.

Yet it is important to note, there has been a drastic decrease in vaccinations, families with one sibling that has been diagnosed with ASD, are less likely to vaccinate their other younger children, most likely due to the belief that vaccines were the cause to their child’s autism.

However, the rate of ASD diagnoses have no dropped, nor are these families chances of their other children diagnosed with ASD less likely, despite withholding vaccines, in fact, these families have an increased chance of having their other children diagnosed with ASD, as like most diseases and disorders autism seems to be a genetic disease.

Younger siblings of autistic children who are 100% UNVACCINATED do not have autism!

There is a genetic component, just like there is a genetic component to get lung cancer.
But if you don’t smoke you won’t get lung cancer,
and if you don’t vaccinate you won’t get autism. (only 1:10,000)

Ok, I’m going to have my fun for tonight, then watch these fireworks for another few weeks.

@doomsday:

1. “Thousands of parents report autism after vaccination”: Already shlugged up dozens of times in this thread. Diagnosis and symptoms for autism happen around the same time that kids get their first shots. That’s why you need scientific double-blind studies. Which there were. And they showed zero correlation.
2. “Autism rates went to 1:10”: Shlugged up time and again. We simply got better at diagnosing autism instead of declaring everyone retarded or slow
3. “Hundreds of studies” No there aren’t. You claim that that there’s a list of hundreds of studies, but the only list any of us found contained hundreds of studies that did not show a link between vaccines and autism. I even provided an article that debunked the studies one at a time, but you waved your hands and dismissed it because (and I quote) “The guy who wrote it is a doctor and can’t be trusted”.
4. “CDC never did a comparison study”: Yes they did. You just have a very narrow criteria (based on your vast knowledge of science and years of dedicated study, no doubt) of what you expect a comparison study to be and the CDC never hit that.
5. “Fraudulent CDC studies”: Only a small handful out of many many other studies. Not enough to even cast a shadow on the research. And in the worst offenders, the fraud was monetary and didn’t affect the actual data or research (the Danish Study).
6. “Unvaxxed kids have less autism”: There’s one study that people claim shows this, but you’re simply misinterpreting the results. Have you ever done what I suggested and emailed the authors to see if they recommend vaccinating? The results may shock you.

There is another free ebook: miller’s review 400 vaccine studies that show vaccines are harmful.

Comparing autism to cancer is despicable.

Yserbius: ““Hundreds of studies” No there aren’t. ”

Yes there are. There is an ebook with 1200 vaccine danger studies and another ebook with 400
studies showing dangers of vaccine (written by MEDICAL doctor).
And Scientists have DEBUNKED the CDC studies, NONE of the CDC studies were double blind
studies and CDC even refuses to do a Retrospective Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study – with No explanation.
CDC can get away with that because Pharmaceutical is the biggest Donor/Briber of Congress!
And 70% of all Media advertising is Pharmaceutical Industry, so they control the News, too.

Yserbius: ““Autism rates went to 1:50”: Shlugged up time and again. We simply got better at diagnosing autism instead of declaring everyone retarded or slow”

The original definition of autism was NON VERBAL Autism which was 1:10,000 in 1970.
Today 1:150 are NON-VERBAL Autistic.
Per 1982 report Prevalence of Mental Retardation 1982 – “Children with I.Q. below 50…prevalence rate approximately 4 per thousand” Pg. 4.
So whether you call it severe retardation or non verbal autism it was 1:250 in 1980 – and that was mostly DOWN SYNDROME. “idiopathic” (no known cause) retardation or autism was 1: 10,000.
And now it is 1:150 NON VERBAL Autism – so autism/retardation rate has SKY ROCKETED and the
FAKE NEWS and CDC Propaganda are LYING!

dooms

“There is a free e-book listing 1,200 studies that vaccines are harmful.
STOP lying that there are no studies that vaccines are dangerous.”

First of all, Ive been limiting my comments to Vaccines adn autism (the reason for that is such research is easy you just compare 2 groups looking at 2 outcomes, looking for “danger” is somewhat nebulous how do you define danger, when yo uget desperate you will say that any time the skin is pierced it is theoretically dangerous as pathogens can be introduced.)
Secondly, while I’ll grant that I havent gone through all 1,200.
We started with 10 that you provided. 0% of them showed a link between vaccine and autism. you then provided an 11th, which wasnt really a study (asking parent s if they vaccinated and if their kids are autistic is about as meaningful as my coin flip study that proved if everyone vaccinates all disease and suffering would end)
Thus assumign the sample I looked at is representative of the entre body of literature. IT is safe to conclude that there are zero studies showing such a link.
Nonethless, as before, if there ias any particular study that you like, I’d love to have a look and either stand corrected or point out the flaw in the study or your understanding of it.

Please lets limit to one study at a time,

“The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.
The younger siblings who got autism were vaccinated.”

I see your repeated gibberish x 4. and I’ll raise you with the answer you were given to that nonsense x 5
The study was looking at MMR
The study was looking at MMR
The study was looking at MMR
The study was looking at MMR
The study was looking at MMR

doomsday -” In the vaccine injury trial of Yates Hazlehurst, Government Lawyers LIED that Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion is that Vaccines NEVER cause Autism when Dr. Zimmerman TOLD the Government Lawyers that Vaccines CAN cause Autism! In Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion, Yates Hazlehurst’s autism WAS caused by vaccines, but Government Lawyers LIED that Dr. Zimmerman’s opinion is that vaccines NEVER cause autism. Another example of government LYING to cover up Vaccines Cause Autism!”

Stop being a Sock-puppet for the Anti-vaxx movement!
You keep pushing their LIES!
Why do Frum people believe them?

From VAXOPEDIA:
“The usual suspects are alleging fraud during the in the Vaccine Court Omnibus Proceedings.
Most folks remember that the Vaccine Court Omnibus Autism Proceedings were a series of cases that were used to test theories that vaccines could contribute to or cause autism.
The conclusion?

Vaccines are not associated with autism.

So what’s the problem?
“Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Chairman of Children’s Health Defense (CHD), and Rolf Hazlehurst, parent of a vaccine-injured child, petitioned the Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Inspector General (OIG), and the Senate and House Judiciary Committees today to investigate actions taken by federal personnel during the “Vaccine Court” Omnibus Autism Proceedings (OAP).”
Kennedy and Hazlehurst claim to have evidence of “obstruction of justice and appallingly consequential fraud by two DOJ lawyers who represented the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in 2007.”
What evidence?
Kennedy and Hazlehurst claim that “that the leading HHS expert, whose written report was used to deny compensation to over 5,000 petitioners in the OAP, provided clarification to the DOJ lawyers that vaccines could, in fact, cause autism in children with underlying and otherwise benign mitochondrial disorders.”
Who is this expert?
It is Andrew Zimmerman, MD, a pediatric neurologist.
There is also a claim that Dr. Zimmerman, along with Dr. Richard Kelley, who was also an expert witness in the Vaccine Court Omnibus Autism Proceedings, served as expert witnesses in a medical malpractice case against a pediatrician who vaccinated a child, supposedly causing him to become autistic.
Which child?
Yates Hazlehurst, who was the second test case in the Vaccine Court Omnibus Proceedings…”

Health, your post CONFIRMED that there was FRAUD by Government Lawyers in the Yates Hazlehurst case – that they LIED about Dr. Zimmerman’s views on Vaccines and Autism.

So what is your point?
That Government Lawyers LIE in Vaccine Court to Cover-Up that Vaccines cause autism?
Because that’s what your post proves!

Doomsday, is Dr. Zimmerman pro-vax or anti-vax?

First answer my question

Daas Yochid. First define “pro-vaccine”.

1. IF someone believes that in theory that vaccines can be beneficial,but the current CDC vaccine schedule is dangerous – is that person pro vaccine or anti vaccine?

2. If someone believes in theory, that vaccines can be beneficial, but the ingredients in today’s
vaccines such as aluminum, formaldehyde, squalene are dangerous – is that person pro vaccine
or anti vaccine?

3. f someone believes in theory, that vaccines can be beneficial, but believes we should go back
to the vaccine schedule of 1980 – 1/4 of the vaccines of today – is that person pro vaccine or anti vaccine?

4. If someone believes in theory, that vaccines can be beneficial, but believes we should do a
vaxxed vs unvaxxed study – to be CERTAIN that the benefits outweigh the risks, is that person
pro vaccine or anti vaccine?

5. Or does “Pro Vaccine” mean a person who blindly believes everything from the CDC and supports the current schedule 72 Vaccines (in 1970 it was only 4 vaccines) and also supports the HUNDREDS MORE VACCINES that are coming to be FORCED against the will on everyone?

I cannot answer your question until you define the definition of “Pro Vaccine”?

Doomsday I wanna commend you for the courage that you have to stand up for the truth. Hashem should bentch you with all BRUCHES SHEBETORAH!!

DaasYochid: “I’ll define pro-vax for the purpose of this question as someone who recommends that children receive most of the vaccines (not necessarily all and not necessarily at the precise times recommended by the CDC)”

According to the FAKE NEWS MEDIA anyone who questions the CDC schedule – even regarding skipping ONE Vaccine or just Delaying ONE Vaccine ‘ is an ANTI-VACCINE HERETIC.

Please explain to me why does BCBS pay a whopping $400 bonus per vaccinated child theat meets the vaccine schedule the that impose on Doctors.?

DaasYochid – Is Dr. Bob Sears Pro Vaccine or Anti-Vaccine?

First answer my question please.

PROVAX: “Doomsday I wanna commend you for the courage that you have to stand up for the truth. Hashem should bentch you with all BRUCHES SHEBETORAH!! ”

Amen! Thank you!

But WHY do you call yourself PROVAXX????

Because I wanted to clarify about that 18 month old baby that passed away in Yerushaleim , that is A Down syndrome had a staph infection and a heart condition from birth. Knowing it first hand from my Chacrusa that also has a down syndrome child Rachmuna Litzlon. And he knows that family. So I wanted people to see the truth so I had write PROVAX, but I am X VAX currently

I don’t Know if Dr. Zimmerman is pro-vax or anti-vax.

I think you should do some research.

If you look honestly, I believe you’ll find that he believes the benefits outweigh the risks. Even the vaccines which he thinks could cause autism, he thinks are more likely to prevent a disease which could cause autism.

Doomsday: YOU, DAAS YOCHID ARE ANTI-VAX!

DY: But wait, I think most kids should be vaccinated for MMR, Polio, DTaP, flu, and others, on schedule. I also dont believe there’s a link between vaccines and SIDS or autism. Am I still anti-vax?

YES! anyone who doesn’t believe 100% in the HOLY CDC Schedule is an Anti-Vaxxer! Welcome to the club!

ProVax: “Please explain to me why does BCBS pay a whopping $400 bonus per vaccinated child theat meets the vaccine schedule the that impose on Doctors.?”

The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more…Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child, so the average pediatrician gets paid
$618,400 (over half a million dollars) for forcing parents to follow insane dangerous CDC vaccine schedule! And will fire any parent who wants to skip or even delay ONE vaccine!!!

If 63% of parents are not 100% vaccinated per CDC schedule – the pediatrician loses the WHOLE bonus. So even if a child had a SEVERE Reaction to a vaccine, the Pediatrician will FORCE the parent to continue vaccinating (claiming “coincidence and not caused by vaccine) – and the Child ends up Fully Autistic. But the Doctor got his HALF MILLION DOLLAR BONUS and can’t be sued for vaccinating a child who had a bad reaction to a vaccine so Doctors doesn’t care!

THINK ABOUT IT!!!

I’m an antivaxxer because I believe in giving more booster shots, and anyone who doesn’t agree 100% with the CDC is an antivaxxer.

Dooms,

a. Not sure why you recycle your old garbage, the Danish study actually supports the null hypothesis that MMR does not cause autism.

b. In a simplistic way of explaining it, if there would have been a link between MMR and autism, the very many studies (combined studies cover millions of children) would have shown some shift or link and the null hypothesis would not have been able to be established.

c. the NAM (formerly IOM) has accepted the evidence as conclusive and released a comprehensive report that there actually is evidence that there is no link between MMR and autism. (the NAM is an independent body comprised of doctors and scientists)

d. Regardless of any changes in the rate of vaccinations, autism has increased.

e. Not sure why you still state that you are unsure what Dr. Zimmermans position is, he clearly released a written statement post the ‘news’ piece that you posted, in which he writes that despite the statements being released about him, he clearly supports vaccinations.

f. Dr Zimmeran clearly stated, he does not know of any data that supports a link between MMR and Autism.

h. Dr. Zimmermans opinion was and still is, that any infectious stress can cause children with mitochondrial dysfunction to regress.

i. Nor does Dr. Zimmeran believe that the case was based on his opinion,

j. Dr. Zimmerman clarified that while he does believe that children should be vaccinated, children with mitochondrial dysfunction should be studies better.

k. This is in line with what other experts have stated.
“As noted above, an important consideration for treatment of AMD is that “normal” inflammation can impair mitochondrial function. Although most infections cannot be avoided, certain measures can limit the risk of injury during infection or other causes of inflammation… We believe it is much better to immunize with DTaP than risk infection with highly inflammatory and potentially damaging community-acquired pertussis.”

-Dr. Richard Kelley on Evaluation and Treatment of Patients with Autism and Mitochondrial Disease

While you try to twist all of this as if there is some massive fraud going on here, For those that actually care to review the details and do not go for your twisting, the facts are there to see.

Yet, as noted previously, you have made up your mind, you will pick and chose which ‘experts’ you believe in, and despite being shown how the people that just make statements are not qualified, nor is there any real data that shows what you claim.

Not sure why you keep on stating, that you have studies of “real PhDs”, as if all the studies that dictate medical recommendations are from made up PhDs.

Dooms
“2cents, MORE children die from MMR Vaccine per year then die from Measles per year.”

Lol
even if that where true It would be like saying more skydivers wearing a parachute die each year than skydivers who dont wear a parachute. Therfore skydivers should stop wearing parachutes