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Health: “Genetic Links to Disorders With Autism Features
That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish, but evidence indicates that many of the disorders with autism-like symptoms noted among these communities are linked to genetic mutations, rather than to a primary diagnosis of ASD.”The autism among Amish is different from the Autism in the general population.
By the Amish, they Know what is causing the Autism – it is rare genetic disorders like Cohen Syndrome which can cause severe retardation. By the Amish, the children who are autistic or retarded
have abnormal facial features – just like down syndrome children look different.That is not the case of the Millions of Children with Autism in the general population.
The children look typical and there is no known genetic condition for the cause of autism.Most amish do not vaccinate and they do not have “typical” autism – only children with known
genetic disorders which cause retardation and abnormal facial features.But your argument will be used to OUTLAW Bris Milah and Torah Education.
Your ridiculous arguments will convince the government that people aren’t competent to make health care decisions.
You ProVaxxers like Government Force.
Until you won’t like Government Force – but too late.
If I claim that a bagel isn’t a vegetable am I saying I don’t consider it food?
Good analogy
Health: There is a robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines.
There were robust body of peer-reviewed scientific studies that supported that smoking doesn’t cause cancer.
For money, you can buy a study supporting anything you want.
HealthThere has never been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. This is a favorite antivaccine fantasy.
So, name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.
And vaxxed means per CDC schedule and unvaxxed means 100% unvaxxed.
Health: The reason the government has to force e/o to Vaxx, is
because Anti-vaxxers are not competent to make decisions.The reason the government forces is because government are TYRANTS who want to force
people to do everything they say. Per Government Tyrants, NOBODY is competent to make decisions.
Government wants to tell everyone what to think:
You must say Homosexuality is Good.
You must say a man is a woman and a woman is a man.
You must say Islam is the religion of peace.And they will outlaw Bris Milah and Torah Education because Judaism and Christianity are the
enemies of the Tyrants. This is what happened in Soviet Union and China, and it is already starting here!And you ProVaxxers who support Government FORCING Vaccines are leading the way for
Government to take away right to Bris Milah and Torah Education.
After all, parents are not competent to make decisions for their own children – YOU support that policy!Dooms -“By the Amish, the children who are autistic or retarded have abnormal facial features – just like down syndrome children look different.”
General population:
“The children look typical and there is no known genetic condition for the cause of autism.”
You so missed my point!
This is an Anti-vaxx website.
Here’s the area that proves I’m right:
“That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish”
If there’s genetic reasons for “with autism-like symptoms”, maybe, just maybe, there is genetic reasons for Autism?!?dooms, your blind faith in fake research reminds me of those global warming people.
Dooms -“There were robust body of peer-reviewed scientific studies that supported that smoking doesn’t cause cancer.”
I don’t know if there was.
But the implication that no one knew that smoking was dangerous is False!
From the NIH:
“Reformers, hygienists, and public health officials argued that smoking brought about general malaise, physiological malfunction, and a decline in mental and physical efficiency. Evidence of the ill effects of smoking accumulated during the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.”If there is no genetic cause, then it could still be caused by any number of things, such as the mother not eating enough peanuts during pregnancy.
Dooms -“So, name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.”
I answered this already on page 22.
“4. There has never been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. This is a favorite antivaccine fantasy. First, the question is framed as a randomized study, like a drug study, in which one group receives a placebo. This, of course, would be unethical because one group would be left unprotected. It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”And if that doesn’t satisfy you – you can go to their website called ScienceBasedMedicine.org.
“And vaxxed means per CDC schedule and unvaxxed means 100% unvaxxed.”
Says who? You? Go to that website & you’ll see how the Anti-vaxxers have you brainwashed!
Health, just because a study shows that vaccinated children have fewer allergies doesn’t mean that vaccines prevent allergies.
There are some very good causes in the environment for autism and ADHD levels rising – Atrazine, certain plastics during pregnancy, tylonol during pregnancy was linked to ADHD recently, but no good ones tying ADHD and autism to vaccines.
While there are certainly instances where the pharmacists push drugs rather than the underlying cause (See the book ADHD nation) very rarely are the so-called natural cures effective. It’s more like random chemicals that have statistical significance, usually during pregnancy, not after the baby is born, and nothing to do with vaccines.
Dooms -“The reason the government forces is because government are TYRANTS who want to be force people to do everything they say. Per Government Tyrants, NOBODY is competent to make decisions.”
Another Lie!
It’s because of people like you that the government needs to get involved.
Anti-vaxxers are spreading diseases like Measles.“Government wants to tell everyone what to think:
You must say Homosexuality is Good.
You must say a man is a woman and a woman is a man.
You must say Islam is the religion of peace.”I got news for you – Obama isn’t President anymore!
But you’re giving good reasons not to vote Democrat.More about autism,
The 1980s is when the diagnosis of autism (only for infants that met the criteria) was added to the DSM, prior to that, there was no official diagnosis of autism.
In the following years (including recent years), the official criteria for autism diagnosis has been dramatically expanded, all of this accounts to an ‘increase’ in autism diagnosis.
Furthermore, parental and provider education has increased dramatically which also resulted in more diagnosis in autism.
For one to not acknowledge and appreciate these facts and to use these increases that correlate to the changes to the official autism criteria, is dishonest and furthering an agenda on these unfortunate individuals.
While there may have been increases that are greater than the changes in diagnosis and education regarding the topic, it is not nearly as dramatic and like other hereditary disorders, they increase.
Blaming something that is clearly not the cause of the autism, is distracting from the true causes and research into managing these patients.
TIH -“BTW, autism is far from the only reason not to vaccinate.”
BTW, Stopping deadly diseases are a Very good reason to Vaxx!
Syag: dooms, your blind faith in fake research reminds me of those global warming people.
Actually it is the ProVaxxers who have blind faith in Government and Government PAID Fake Research
just like those global warming people.I believe global warming is a hoax, just like I believe vaccines are a hoax – to enrich the Pharmaceutical Industry and as a Power Grab for Government to ABOLISH Parental Rights and Religious Rights.
If you believe Global Warming is a Hoax, Why do you trust Government Fake Research when it
comes to Vaccines? You’re not making any sense.Dooms -“So, name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.”
Health: I answered this already on page 22.
“4. There has never been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. This is a favorite antivaccine fantasy….blah, blah,
anti-vaxxers..blah..blah…It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study.”So NAME a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study, Health, or Stop Lying that they exist!
You have NOT answered my challenge to Name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study so stop Lying that you did!
Folks, see how ProVaxxers Lie!?! Health says S/HE answered my challenge to Name a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed
Study but all she does is Copy and Paste from a ProVax website that says there ARE Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed
Studies – but Health Cannot even Produce One Study!
And then Lies that S/HE did Name a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study when she obviously Did Not!TIH -“Health, question is, are vaccines MORE deadly?”
It shows how desperate you Anti-vaxxers are becoming!
What now are you claiming is a deadly disease? Autism??? LOL!!!Health: Here’s the area that proves I’m right:
“That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish”
If there’s genetic reasons for “with autism-like symptoms”, maybe, just maybe, there is genetic reasons for Autism?!?Health, this does not prove ProVaxxers are Right – its evidence ProVaxxers are Wrong!
Among the Amish, the ONLY children with Autism have Obvious Genetic defects similar to Downs Syndrome.
The Amish Children with Autism have ABNORMAL facial features.
The General Population of Children with Autism have NORMAL facial features.This proves that Autism of Amish Children IS purely genetic.
And Autism of Children in General Population IS caused by Vaccines – that is why they LOOK Normal, and
they develop normally until right after they are vaccinated!Health: But the implication that no one knew that smoking was dangerous is False!
From the NIH:
“Reformers, hygienists, and public health officials argued that smoking brought about general malaise, physiological malfunction, and a decline in mental and physical efficiency. Evidence of the ill effects of smoking accumulated during the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.”I never said that No One knew smoking is dangerous. People knew there were “Anti-Smokers” who were
saying Smoking causes Cancer.
But the Vaccine Industry hired Scientists to say there is NO PROOF that Smoking causes Cancer.
When Tens of Thousands of People who Smoked got Cancer, the Tobacco Industry
hired Scientists to say “Correlation does not Prove Causation”
When Studies were made showing Smoking Causes Cancer, the Tobacco Industry hired Scientists to
“Debunk” those studies and say there were No Good.The Vaccine Industry is doing the Exact Same Thing the Tobacco Industry did – including hiring
Corrupt Science to Fool the People.
How can People be So DUMB to fall for the Same Trick TWICE?Dooms -“So NAME a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study, Health, or Stop Lying that they exist!”
I told you to go to that site, but Instead you keep trying to manipulate the readers of YWN!
So I went to a site called “thoughtesapism” & I posted 3 of those studies. There are More!
Sorry, I didn’t do it because you asked me to, but because some readers might be Sitting on the Fence about Vaxxing.
“One German study from 2011 evaluated data from 17 641 children and adolescents and found that the prevalence of allergic diseases (such as skin conditions) and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status. However, not surprisingly:
The lifetime prevalence of diseases preventable by vaccination was markedly higher in unvaccinated than in vaccinated subjects.
In another German study, from 2013, 1315 babies were followed from birth until they were 20 years old to study the development of asthma. They concluded that the vaccinated have lower rates of asthma compared to non-vaccinated.
To look at the situation in a very different part of the world where the proportion of vaccinated/unvaccinated people are nearly reversed compared to the western world, here’s a study 2011 from the Philippines, called The effect of vaccination on children’s physical and cognitive development, which finds:
…no effect of vaccination on later height or weight, but full childhood vaccination for measles, polio, Tuberculosis (TB), Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus (DPT) significantly increases cognitive test scores relative to matched children who received no vaccinations. The size of the effect is large, raising test scores, on average, by about half an SD.
It is worth noting that vaccination rates in the Philippines are still relatively low, and the effects of the infectious childhood diseases themselves (referred to as ‘stunting and wasting’ in this study) are likely the biggest contributing factor to the lower cognitive scores of the unvaccinated children. To avoid socioeconomic confounding factors, the study did match the results for household characteristics”Dooms -“Among the Amish, the ONLY children with Autism have Obvious Genetic defects similar to Downs Syndrome. The Amish Children with Autism have ABNORMAL facial features”
Another LIE!
“That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish”If you would have gone to that site, – you’d understand that the Amish have both types.
So, if there’s genetic reasons for “with autism-like symptoms”, maybe, just maybe, there is genetic reasons for Autism?!? In general, whether by the Amish people and/or by the rest of the population.What’s Worse – Vaccines or Measles?
Per CDC, in 1960s, 1:10,000 children died from Measles.
Today, in USA, ZERO children die from Measles per year.
In RARE Cases Measles can cause Encephalitis – SO CAN VACCINES – it’s listed on the Vaccine Inserts!In 1990, CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine Schedule – and we have the SICKEST GENERATION of Children in History!!!
1:6 children are Learning Disabled
1:6 children are Allergic (can be Fatal!)
1:13 children have Asthma (can be Fatal!)
1:15 children have ADHD
1:5 teens had episode of Mental illness (can be Fatal)
1:8 children have IBS
1:50 children have Autism
1:100 children have Epilepsy (seizures)
1:250 children have Tourettes Syndrome
1:400 children have Diabetes
1:775 babies DIE of SIDS (100% Fatal)
1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
1:5,560 children have CANCER (Can be Fatal)
168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year.
ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).And the 168 Deaths reported can be 10 times to 100 times More – because only 1-13% of serious adverse effects are reported! Vaccines are MORE Dangerous then Measles!
Truth: Health,
To repeat myself, autism is far from the only reason not to vaccinate.
How about SIDS and cancer, as more deadly than measles, mumps or chicken pox?Excellent Point, Truth!
Health, Daas Yochid brought up the same 5 studies that LIE that they are vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. Here is why they’re NOT:
1) Germany 2011. (Schmitz et al) Full paper: Vaccination Status and Health in Children and Adolescents
NOT GOOD: Vaccinated is defined as having “at least ONE vaccine”. So this study compares Unvaxxed to children who got as little as ONE vaccine. It is not comparing 100% Unvaccinated vs Vaccinated per CDC schedule – or anything even CLOSE to the CDC schedule. Another FRAUDULENT deliberately MISLEADING study pretending to be Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed.
Also, this study only had 50 Unvaccinated children – not enough to be conclusive.2) Germany 2013 (Grabenhenrich et al) Full Paper: Early-life determinants of asthma from birth to age 20 years: A German birth cohort study
NOT GOOD: Again, Vaccinated children who did not receive 3 Vaccines (MMR, BCG or Tick TE) were FRAUDULENTLY called “UnVaccinated” Children – when they were Vaccinated!!!
Also, ONLY checked for asthma – not for neurological problems like Autism, ADHD, learning disabilities or
autoimmune diseases like diabetes or allergies.3) Philippines 2011 (Bloom et al) Full Paper: The effect of vaccination on children’s physical and cognitive development in the Philippines
NOT GOOD: Vaccinated children were NOT vaccinated per CDC schedule – FAR fewer vaccines. Only received ONE DOSE of Aluminum containing Vaccine DPT. But CDC schedule FORCES 11 doses of Aluminum containing vaccines by age 6 months, and 16 doses of Aluminum containing vaccines by 2 years. Aluminum adjuvant is probably the most dangerous vaccine ingredient. CDC Schedule: 11 Doses by Six Months = 3,675 mcg Aluminum in FIRST 6 MONTHS! + 4 More doses of Aluminum before age 2 compared to ONLY ONE dose DPT (625 mcg) done in Phillipines!
There were other explanations why Vaccinated kids scored higher in school (NOT the vaccines)!
The Vaccinated children had:
1) had mothers with more education,
2) had higher socioeconomic status,
3) lived in larger homes,
4) had more toilet/sanitation access,
5) had fewer siblings,
6) had better-nourished mothers,
7) had more breastfeeding as infants…than the unvaccinated.
Studies 4 and 5 were NOT vaccinated vs Unvaccinated but Vaccinated + FLU vaccine vs Vaccinated w/o
FLU vaccine.So there was ONE vaxxed vs unvaxxed study that showed that Unvaccinated Children have
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Less Autism, ADHD, allergies, asthma, etc. then Vaxxed Children.
Ther are NO OTHER Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Studies – even though Fake Research keeps lying that
their studies are vaxxed vs unvaxxed when they are vaxxed vs vaxxed!Folks, how can you Trust Vaccines are Safe when I prove how the CDC and Media LIE to you all the time???
ProVaxxers, More children DIE from Vaccines then DIE from Measles!
Zero deaths from Measles (In USA) per year.
168 deaths following Vaccines reported to VAERS every year.Since only 1-13% of serious adverse events are reported, it could be 1,680 – 16,800 deaths from vaccines yearly!
YeshivashaHocker, are you still here?
Please check out the Free E-Book: 1200 studies revealing the research the vaccine industry does not want you to see.
Folks, so far ProVaxxers cannot explain why CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study!
(retrospective so no ethics).Some ProVaxxers found Lying Websites called “Science Based Medicine” and “TruthScapism”
that falsely claim there ARE studies that are vaxxed vs unvaxxed – but those studies are really
vaxxed vs vaxxed!There has been One Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows Unvaxxed children have waaaaaaaaay
Less: Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma then Vaxxed children!The Fact that CDC REFUSES to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study is EVIDENCE that CDC KNOWS that
vaccines cause Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Cancer, SIDS, Allergies, Asthma, Diabetes, etc.!Are you referring to the reduction of SIDS?
Folks, so far ProVaxxers cannot explain why CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study!
(retrospective so no ethics).I can explain why very simply: The only people asking for it are the anti-vaxxers like you and it wouldn’t change your opinion anyhow.
Meno: I can explain why very simply: The only people asking for it are the anti-vaxxers like you and it wouldn’t change your opinion anyhow.
So why does the CDC do OTHER studies to “prove” vaccines doesn’t cause autism and other diseases?
(It won’t convince anti-vaxxers anyway). The CDC did around 200 Studies to “prove” vaccines are
safe and don’t cause Autism – but refuses to do the ONE STUDY that is actually SCIENTIFIC.It was a SMOKER vs NON-SMOKER Study that proved smoking causes cancer – and THAT is why
CDC and Pharmaceutical Company will never, ever, ever, ever do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study!!!Folks, how can you trust the CDC if they refuse to do the One Study that is actually Scientific?
Dooms -“There has been One Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows Unvaxxed children have way
Less: Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma then Vaxxed children!”Are you talking about the Mansom study?
Here’s what ScienceBasedMedicine.org wrote about this study:
“Antivaccine websites have been touting two recently published studies as strong evidence that vaccinated children are less healthy than unvaccinated children. The studies are so flawed that they show nothing of the sort. Even more hilariously, the bottom-feeding predatory open access journal that published them appears to have retracted them.”Doomsday,
ENOUGH!
You stated on December 20, 2018
Some Common Sense:
Anti Vaxxers Are:
1) Anti-establishment –The Torah says that this world is OLAM HASHEKER. For example do YOU believe
in Evolution? Then YOU are Anti-Establishment! Do you believe Homosexuality is Moral? Anti-Establishment!
2) Anti-science – It is PROVAXXERS who are ANTI-SCIENCE. I have Proven that the Main Scientific Studies used to “Prove” MMR doesn’t cause Autism Or Thimerosal doesn’t cause Autism are FRAUDULENT! And no Pro-Vaxxer was able to refute my proof. So Pro-Vaxxers are Anti-Science! Also, if you don’t believe in EVOLUTION, then you are also “anti-science”, right???
3) Anti-medicine 4) Anti-personal physicians
There are many MEDICAL Doctors whose opinions, Anti-Vaxxers Respect and Follow.
5) Unwilling to follow the far majority of Da’as Torah
Per the Torah, one is allowed to follow a Rav of his choosing, as long as it is a Torah-True Rov.
The Rule of “following the Majority” applies when we have a Sanhedrin, which we don’t have today R”L.
6) Are placing their personal views above Halachah
You are ignorant of Halachah. Halachah is “FOLLOW YOUR ROV” which Anti-Vaxxers do!”I have spoken very respectfully but you respond with insults like “You are ignorant of Halacha”; do you know how much I have learned in both Shas and Halacha? It is not what you think. Your answers are not worth to respond to on on the face of it because you are incorrect on every point; you cannot accept it or even discuss that possibility because of your irrational bias . You have repeated the same information over and over again without understanding all of the points made to.
Lastly, what is the specific name of Rav you asked and told you on a general basis not to vaccinate? If you cannot give the Rav’s name, this discussion is pointless and I would ask the moderator to end this now.
To E/O: The epidemic of Measles is Not over! I saw on the Lakewood website – a commentor writing that a young teenager just was diagnosed with Measles last week.
These Anti-vaxxers turn the Torah on it’s Head.Even the Amish are starting to Vaxx.
From VeryWellHealth:
“The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC. “We run a weekly vaccination clinic and it’s very busy.” He says Amish vaccinations rates are lower than the general population’s, but younger Amish are more likas the ely to be vaccinated than older generations.
Just to check for myself, I called Strauss’s clinic and chatted with a community liaison named Rebecca. Rebecca, who grew up among the Amish, confirms that about 70% of the Amish in Lancaster County do, indeed, vaccinate.”Doomsday
I love how you shift in your definition of “vaxxed”
first you discard a study because the unvaccinated group received SOME vaccines (although this is a definition that has zero basis in science as has been pointed out to you several times) ) thus any vaccines makes a group “vaccinated” Yo u say “Vaccinated is defined as having “at least ONE vaccine”.”Two lines later you discard another study for the opposite reason “Vaccinated children were NOT vaccinated per CDC schedule – FAR fewer vaccines.”
which is it? does receiving fewer than recommended vaccines make someone “vaccinated” or “unvaccinated” you cant have it both ways .“There were other explanations why Vaccinated kids scored higher in school (NOT the vaccines)!
The Vaccinated children had:
1) had mothers with more education,”Exactly! this too has been pointed out to you dozens of times. you claim to want a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study. by definition (almost) anyone who doesn’t vaccinate their children is either unintelligent, uneducated or just doesnt care about their children . There will always be these confounding factors
Health: Here’s what ScienceBasedMedicine.org wrote about this study:
“Antivaccine websites have been touting two recently published studies as strong evidence that vaccinated children are less healthy than unvaccinated children. The studies are so flawed that they show nothing of the sort.Health, I already proved to you tnat “ScienceBasedMedicine” LIES! See the LIES below:
It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.Science Based Medicine links to a site that claims to have have 5 vaxxed vs unvaxxed studies –
but NONE of them are vaxxed vs unvaxxed. So Science Based Medicine is DEBUNKED – Fraudulent Site!Ubiquiton: I love how you shift in your definition of “vaxxed”
first you discard a study because the unvaccinated group received SOME vaccines (although this is a definition that has zero basis in science as has been pointed out to you several times) ) thus any vaccines makes a group “vaccinated” Yo u say “Vaccinated is defined as having “at least ONE vaccine”.”My definition has been consistent.
Vaccinated = Vaccinated per CDC schedule.
Unvaccinated = 100% unvaccinated.I have NEVER defined “vaccinated” as having “at least ONE vaccine” –
that is what FRAUDULENT studies that claim to be vaxxed vs unvaxxed do.Ubiquiton, WHY does the CDC refuse to do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study?
Doomsday:“There were other explanations why Vaccinated kids scored higher in school (NOT the vaccines)!
The Vaccinated children had: mothers with more education,”Ubiquiton: Exactly! this too has been pointed out to you dozens of times. you claim to want a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study. by definition (almost) anyone who doesn’t vaccinate their children is either unintelligent, uneducated or just doesn’t care about their children .
Ubiquiton, Pay Attention. I said in THIRD WORLD countries, children who are vaccinated come from families that are richer, have more food, clean water and educated parents. That is why their children score better in school then the Unvaxxed – not the Vaccines. THAT is why CDC deliberately does these studies in THIRD WORLD Countries – and NOT in USA – because it Hides the damage from Vaccines!
But the OPPOSITE is true is USA. People who are anti-vaxxers are Richer and Better Educated then
People who Vax!Rich, White and Refusing Vaccinations by New York Times – a Pro Vax Major Newspaper
The people most likely to refuse to have their children vaccinated tend to be white, well-educated and affluent, researchers report.Folks, if the the Richest and Most Educated People are refusing Vaccines – Shouldn’t You???
At least Research instead of blindly obeying Corrupt Government like a bunch of Sheep!Folks, Does Smoking Cause Lung Cancer? Or is it Genetics?
For over 30 years, Tobacco Industry said it was Genetics and NOT smoking that caused Lung Cancer!
Then there was a SMOKER vs NON SMOKER study that proved – Smoking Causes Cancer!
Yes, genetics is a factor. Not everyone who smokes get lung cancer.
But Smoking greatly increases the risk of cancer.Not everyone who gets vaccinated gets autism. But vaccines greatly increase your risk of autism
from 1:10,000 NON VERBAL Autism to 1:150 NON VERBAL Autism – much more dangerous then Measles.Vaccines also greatly increase your risk of ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Diabetes, Cancer, SIDS, Allergies, Asthma, Epilepsy, Infertility – again, much more dangerous then Measles!
Why should we trust Big Pharma’s vaccine inserts?
Some Common Sense, Please be moichel me for saying you are ignorant of Halachah.
This is a very sensitive subject and in the heat of the moment I got carried away. Peace.Reb Yid: Why should we trust Big Pharma’s vaccine inserts?
The inserts are to protect against liability (which vaccines are exempt) and because of State Law
of Informed Consent.But all doctors commit Malpractice because they do not give the inserts to parents to read before vaccinating!
Few doctors have read the insert. They are protected from liability and just follow orders: Must Vaccinate.
If parents express concern, instead of showing the vaccine inserts (as required by LAW) doctors are instructed to give CDC paper that lies that vaccines are safe – and doesn’t mention the dangers listed on
the vaccine inserts.Doctors that vaccinate without showing inserts first are committing Malpractice (which means all of them).
doomsday
“My definition has been consistent.
Vaccinated = Vaccinated per CDC schedule.
Unvaccinated = 100% unvaccinated.”So what do you make of a partially vaccinated individual? which category does he go into?
Also lishitascha, how does his/her risk of autism compare to those you label “Vaccinated” ? and to those you label “unvaccinated”?“I have NEVER defined “vaccinated” as having “at least ONE vaccine”
except when you wanted to dismiss the Philippine study which compared vaccinated to unvaccinated“Ubiquiton, WHY does the CDC refuse to do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study?”
Are you for real? I answered this so many times including in the very last post.
The very fact that you keep asking the same childish question that has been answered over and over only proves, my answer correct. Namely that you dont have any interest in the truth.“Rich, White and Refusing Vaccinations by New York Times – a Pro Vax Major Newspaper”
Lol, let another study you didnt read. White and higher income where significantly associated with non-vaccinating. higher education was not
“Folks, if the the Richest and Most Educated People are refusing Vaccines – Shouldn’t You???”
Hold up, so if he most educated DO vaccinate or Tell you to vaccinate you would?Doomsday: “I have NEVER defined “vaccinated” as having “at least ONE vaccine”
Ubiquiton: except when you wanted to dismiss the Philippine study which compared vaccinated to unvaccinated
Doomsday: Wrong! I dismissed the Study BECAUSE it called having ONE vaccine “vaccinated”.
A vaxxed vs unvaxxed study means vaxxed per CDC schedule vs 100% unvaccinated.
And I HAVE been consistent on that.Doomsday: “Folks, if the the Richest and Most Educated People are refusing Vaccines – Shouldn’t You???”
Ubiquiton: Hold up, so if he most educated DO vaccinate or Tell you to vaccinate you would?
No. But YOU wrote that it is the UNEDUCATED who don’t vaccinate.
Once again, you are 100% wrong.Doomsday:“Ubiquiton, WHY does the CDC refuse to do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study?”
Ubiquiton:There will always be these confounding factors
There are “confounding factors” in every study – yet the CDC does them anyway!
So if there was a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study
And vaccinated kids had FIVE TIMES the rate of autism, adhd and learning disabilities as vaxxed
it wouldn’t prove to your that vaccines raise risk of autism?Doomsday, to protect against liability, people warn against everything. Just because the warning is there, doesn’t mean the danger is legitimate–in protecting against liability, it is in one’s best interest to list as many things as possible just in case.
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