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  • #1650559
    2scents
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    Dooms,

    ” So even according to your study, the ASD rate INCREASED after MMR was introduced in 1988!”

    a. it’s not ‘my’ study.
    b. Exactly, as you point out, regardless of vaccines or not vaccines, autism rate has increased.

    “other researchers”
    and you take what these ‘others’ say at face value?

    #1650596
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    ” have shown you how EVERY Study you cited to Prove that Vaccines does NOT cause Autism
    is FRAUDULENT.”

    Maybe in your mind, but in reality, you have not shown anything other than making up some facts and then claiming that what was published was a fraud. I guess anything that does not correlate to your beliefs is fraudulent.

    #1650683
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Syog: Every time you call autism ‘brain damage’, I wish I knew where you lived so I could slap you.

    Are you saying you don’t consider Autism to be a Disability?
    Huh?
    If I Claim that a bagel isn’t a vegetable am I saying I don’t consider it food?

    #1651045
    Health
    Participant

    Dooms-KUP -“Another Lie! I have repeatedly said that Aluminum in Vaccines is a Neurotoxin!
    Maybe you don’t know what “Neurotoxin” means? It means Aluminum causes BRAIN DAMAGE!
    And that is what Autism is – Brain Damage!”

    Mr/Ms. DoomsKUP here’s what you wrote on page 3:

    “THese flu shot contain 25 mcg Thimerosal! And the so called “thimerosal-free” vaccines still contain so-called “trace amounts” of Thimerosal. So Thimerosal was not really removed, it was SHUFFLED Around. That is why Autism rates continued to rise.”

    So which one is it? IS IT THIMEROSAL OR ALUMINUM THAT CAUSES AUTISM? Or Both Or NEITHER?
    That’s why I wrote this:
    “Dooms-KUP isn’t up on the Latest Anti-Vaxxing theories. They Now believe it’s the Aluminum in the Vaxx that causes Autism. The MMR is the trigger that makes Aluminum show the signs of Autism.”

    Before you push your Alternative Medicine on e/o – YOU SHOULD FIRST KNOW THE LATEST THEORIES!!!

    #1651145
    Logicyid
    Participant

    You people calling each other names really needa chill. Seriously 24 pages of this?
    There is nothing new here, everything has already been said and then some.
    Certain posters really need to back away from the coffee maker.
    Move on, yikes.

    #1651168
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health, I have said repeatedly, that Vaccines contain Aluminum which is a known Neurotoxin (brain damaging). So stop LYING that I never mentioned Aluminum as a cause of Autism. I said it many times!

    There is not ONE cause of Autism. There are many ingredients in Vaccines which can cause brain damage such as Aluminum, Mercury and Live Viruses. Plus there are other toxins in vaccines as well.

    Every individual has a unique Genes and is effected differently by exposure to these toxins.
    Some individuals might be sensitive to one toxin and resistant to another.
    It could be the COMBINATION that effects others.

    The AGE that these Vaccines are given is a also big factor – vaccines are given to UNBORN when pregnant mothers are vaccinated – even though the vaccine inserts state that vaccines were NOT tested on pregnant subjects! Vaccines are given within hours of BIRTH and at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months – w hen a babies brain is MOST VULNERABLE to damage!

    #1651246
    TAS
    Participant

    Moderators, can you please start blocking domsday posts? She is yelling in every post and calling everyone lairs. She can present her material and arguments but she she needs to learn how to do so in a civil manner. She even called someone who is autistic brain damaged. How long will this continue? She will even call me pro-vax and say “look how right i am, they want to block me because they have nothing to reply to my arguments”

    #1651240
    2scents
    Participant

    “There is not ONE cause of Autism”

    How would you know this?

    “There are many ingredients in Vaccines which can cause brain damage such as Aluminum, Mercury and Live Viruses. Plus there are other toxins in vaccines as well.”

    Exactly, they can and will if taken in dangerous amounts, so will water and many other stuff. Yet if the amounts are safe they will not cause ‘brain damage’.

    The biggest factor at this point, is genetics.

    #1651302
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    We are on Stage 3 of the @doomsday thought process right now, about to circle back. Observe as Rebbitzin Day proceeds to ignore everything she said previously (as it was debunked) and start off on a new topic for a few days to hope that everyone forgot how wrong she was.


    @doomsday
    You have yet to respond to my MULTIPLE comments on your “100+ studies” thing. Namely, please address the article “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” on vaxopedia.org which shows how not one of those “100+ studies” show a link between vaccines and autism.

    #1651303
    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents, there are many studies – an ebook came out with 1200 studies – that the toxins in vaccines cause autism.
    It doesn’t have to be large amounts – when toxins are INJECTED they are much more harmful then toxins that are ingested and are mostly NOT absorbed because of our natural defenses against ingested toxins.
    Also toxins given to Pre-Born Babies and New Born Babies are more likely to cause brain damage then the
    same vaccines given to older children or adults.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE that genetics alone is the cause of Autism because you can’t go from
    1:3,333 cases of autism to 1:50 in 40 years because of genetics.

    It HAS to be something in environment and the CDC TRIPLING the Vaccine Schedule in 1990 was the Start of the Autism Epidemic – and an epidemic of many other chronic illnesses that never before effected children in such huge numbers like ADHD, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma, epilepsy, diabetes and cancer.

    Also there WAS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed study that showed that Unvaccinated Children had waaaaaaaaay
    lower rates of autism, adhd, allergies, asthma. SO IT IS THE VACCINES!

    #1651324
    Health
    Participant

    2scents -“The biggest factor at this point, is genetics.”

    Now how would these Anti-vaxxers believe this, when they don’t have any SENSE?!?

    #1651323
    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: The biggest factor at this point, is genetics.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE for autism to go from 1:3,333 (1970 – today’s expanded definition of autism) to 1:50 with
    GENETICS! That is ANTI-SCIENCE!

    There are numerous studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism. Vaccines contain known
    Neurotoxins like Aluminum and Mercury. Others have live viruses like Measles which can cause brain inflamation (encephalopathy). The EPIDEMIC of Autism (and ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Seizures, Allergies, Asthma, Diabetes and Cancer) started after 1990 when CDC TRIPLED THE VACCINE SCHEDULE!

    #1651311
    doomsday
    Participant

    “The question now is whether autism is a kind of brain damage. And the answer is yes, it is brain damage. Autism is a form of a developmental disorder.” JustScience.In

    Vaccines, Autism and Brain Damage: What’s in a Name? by Sharyl Atkinson
    ” Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically. .. more than 2,100 families have received compensation for vaccine injuries…And more than half of those awards are for
    brain injuries.”

    All vaccine inserts list ENCEPHALOPATHY (brain swelling) as an adverse event. Children with Encephalopathy are often diagnosed with Autism.

    #1651352
    2scents
    Participant

    “It is IMPOSSIBLE that genetics alone is the cause of Autism because you can’t go from
    1:3,333 cases of autism to 1:50 in 40 years because of genetics.”

    Incorrect, it is possible and is observed in other diseases and disorders.

    In fact, the sibling rate for autism is significantly higher, this population group contributes to the higher autism overall as a group. If you remove this group the incidence of autism is no where as significant.

    #1651355
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    ” Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically. .. more than 2,100 families have received compensation for vaccine injuries…And more than half of those awards are for
    brain injuries.”

    doomsday you are too funny! It seems you don’t realize that you are bringing proofs against yourself!

    It has become very obvious that you do not understand autism if you think it is related to brain swelling or brain damage. Besides showing your sheer ignorance of medicine, anatomy and neurology you won’t stop offending people who care for people with autism. You are more destructive than any vaccine and don’t really give a darn about autism or the people suffering thru it.

    #1651397
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday is still yet to read this one webpage that addresses every single comment she made. “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” on vaxopedia.org.

    #1651412
    Health
    Participant

    DoomsKUP -“It is IMPOSSIBLE for autism to go from 1:3,333 (1970 – today’s expanded definition of autism) to 1:50 with
    GENETICS!”

    How come you don’t read anyone else’s post to answer your question? I posted this on page 22:
    “1.Autism is an epidemic. Nary a mention is made of the effect of changes in diagnostic definitions in the 1990s, better screening, and diagnostic substitution that strongly suggest autism prevalence is likely not increasing.”

    #1651434
    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbiius, I told you I read your links. How many times do I have to tell you that!
    And you still keep demanding I read your links when I tell you again and again, I read them!

    Your links prove that there are research studies linking vaccines to autism.

    Your links claim to debunk some of those studies. I am not impressed.
    Of course, scientists who are being paid by CDC and Vaccine Industry are going to attack any study that shows a link between vaccines and autism.

    That’s exactly what the tobacco Industry did – hire scientists to attack any study that suggested a link
    between smoking and cancer. Nothing new here.

    I have also posted evidence that the studies showing that vaccines don’t cause autism are
    fraudulent, and neither you or any of your fellow provaxxers were able to refute that fraud!

     

    Edited. Please, no more CAPS except where grammatically appropriate.

    #1651437
    doomsday
    Participant

    The theory that genetics is responsible for Autism is another cover up that vaccines are the main cause
    of autism. That’s what the Tobacco Industry claimed – it’s not smoking that causes cancer, it’s “genetics”.

    Obviously, it’s both. Not every person who smoke gets cancer.
    Not every child who is vaccinated gets autism.

    But if the person with a genetic predisposition for cancer does not smoke, he will avoid cancer.
    And if a person with a genetic predisposition for autism doesn’t get vaccinated, he will avoid autism.

    That is why parents of an autistic child usually will not vaccinate the younger children.
    And those younger children are 100% normal if they are completely unvaccinated.

    A poster to this thread related of a person she knew personally who had a child who was vaccinated and
    lapsed into a vegetative state. The next two siblings were 100% unvaccinated and 100% normal.
    Then a doctor convinced the mother to vaccinate her fourth child. And the fourth child lapsed into
    a vegetative state!

    So yes, genetics plays a role. But vaccines also play a role, just like smoking plays a role with lung cancer!

    #1651442
    truthishidden
    Participant

    2Scents,
    There is no safe amount when it comes to neurotoxins, such as mercury and aluminum.
    The CDC says this about lead, which they can afford to, because it’s not in any vaccines.

    #1651459
    Meno
    Participant

    A poster to this thread related of a person she knew personally who had a child who was vaccinated and
    lapsed into a vegetative state. The next two siblings were 100% unvaccinated and 100% normal.
    Then a doctor convinced the mother to vaccinate her fourth child. And the fourth child lapsed into
    a vegetative state!

    This past chanukah I was playing dreidel with my 3 year old and he guessed my spin correctly 5 times in a row. I immediately enrolled him in Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters

    #1651518
    2scents
    Participant

    Truth,

    I guess you would be happy to learn that mercury has been removed from vaccines a while ago. Im sure that the past 20 years have had a significant reduction in autism and other claims that have been made against vaccines.

    Even in the influenza vaccine its not that common. As it is only used in multi dose vials.

    Since no children vaccines contain mercury, Im sure that autism has dropped significantly since your claiming that these toxins are to blame for the increase in ASD.

    #1651514
    2scents
    Participant

    Truth,

    This is the ‘unhidden’ truth about aluminum, the very reason why the CDC can ‘afford’ to make the claims they make.


    Food—primary source of exposure
    Unprocessed foods like fresh fruits, vegetables, and meat contain very little aluminum.

    Aluminum compounds may be added during processing of foods, such as:

    flour
    baking powder
    coloring agents
    anticaking agents
    An average adult in the United States eats about 7–9 mg of aluminum per day in their food.

    Air
    Most people take in very little aluminum from breathing. Levels of aluminum in the air generally range from 0.005 to 0.18 micrograms per cubic meter (ìg/m3), depending on location, weather conditions, and type and level of industrial activity in the area. Most of the aluminum in the air is in the form of small suspended particles of soil (dust).

    Aluminum levels in urban and industrial areas may be higher and can range from 0.4 to 8.0 ìg/m3.

    Water and soil
    The concentration of aluminum in natural waters (e.g., ponds, lakes, streams) is generally below 0.1 milligrams per liter (mg/L).

    People generally consume little aluminum from drinking water. Water is sometimes treated with aluminum salts while it is processed to become drinking water. But even then, aluminum levels generally do not exceed 0.1 mg/L. Several cities have reported concentrations as high as 0.4–1 mg/L of aluminum in their drinking water.

    Consumer Products
    People are exposed to aluminum in some cosmetics, antiperspirants, and pharmaceuticals such as antacids and buffered aspirin.

    Antacids have 300–600 mg aluminum hydroxide (approximately 104–208 mg of aluminum) per tablet, capsule, or 5 milliliter (mL) liquid dose. Little of this form of aluminum is taken up into the bloodstream.
    Buffered aspirin may contain 10–20 mg of aluminum per tablet
    Vaccines may contain small amounts of aluminum compounds, no greater than 0.85 mg/dose.”

    #1651615
    truthishidden
    Participant

    2scents,
    2 negatives do not make a positive.
    I am still not comfortable INJECTING aluminum, a known neurotoxin, no matter how small an amount , in me or my children.
    P.S. I have no problem that aluminum is in all these processed products that you state. Noone is forcing me to consume/use them. That is one of the reasons why I keep away from as many processed products as possible.

    #1651664
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday: You clearly have not read the links, or at least not understood them. Because if you have you wouldn’t keep making the same mistake over and over again confusing methylethyl mercury (Thimerisol) with ethylmercury (dangerous stuff that’s in old thermometers).

    #1651638
    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents, why are you repeating the Lie that aluminum in food is the same as aluminum Inected into
    newborn babies? I debunked that Lie on 12/23 – see below:

    2Cents: The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams,

    There is a Huge difference between ingested (eaten) aluminum and Injected aluminum!
    Per the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) states that only 0.1-0.4% of aluminum Ingested is actually absorbed. So from 7 mg in breastmilk x .4% = .028 mg

    Convert this to Mcg to see the BIG Difference:

    Breast Milk = 28 mcg (absorbed)
    Vaccines = 4,400 mcg (100% absorbed – injected -goes straight to bloodstream)

    #1651677
    keej123
    Participant

    PMC1280342

    Thimerosal consists of 49.6% mercury by weight and breaks down in the body to ethyl-mercury and thiosalicylate (Tan and Parkin 2000).

    The results indicate that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure to thimerosal-derived Hg.

    #1651698
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    dooms – I sure hope you are not thinking that a child in a vegetative state is autistic.

    #1651709
    doomsday
    Participant

    2scents: Since no children vaccines contain mercury, Im sure that autism has dropped significantly since your claiming that these toxins are to blame for the increase in ASD.

    You’re Lying because I already told you there still is mercury in children’s vaccine and other reason’s for
    continued rise in autism!

    Why Autism Rate increased since “no children’s vaccine contain mercury”

    It is a LIE that no children’s vaccine contain mercury!
    1. Vaccines that are Fraudulently labeled “Thimerosal Free” contain so called “trace amounts” up to 1 mcg.
    1 mcg Thimerosal = 1,000 PPB of Mercury (parts per billion)

    0.5 PPB Mercury kills human Brain Cells (Study: Parran et al., Toxicol Sci 2005)
    2 PPB is EPA safety limit for drinking water
    200 PPB level in liquid is classified by EPA as Hazardous Waste!
    1,000 PPB amount of mercury in a “thimerosal free” vaccine

    So “thimerosal-free” vaccines is Repeatedly injecting Hazardous Waste into Newborn Babies (5 times the level of Hazardous Waste!).

    There is no law preventing doctors from injecting pregnant women and babies/children with Thimerosal
    containing Flu Vaccine which is cheaper then the “trace amount” Thimerosal Vaccine.

    A Flu Vaccine with Thimerosal contains 50,000 PPB of Mercury – and it is 100% Legal to inject 50,000 PPB of
    mercury into pregnant women (unborn babies) and babies and little children!

    2. At the Same Time as Thimerosal was Reduced (not removed) from vaccines, the CDC increased the number of vaccines and introduced new vaccines including the flu vaccine.
    So the “trace amounts” 1,000 ppb of Mercury vaccines were multiplied

    3. The increase of Vaccines means increase of Aluminum – which is a known Neurotoxin – causes brain damage. And Aluminum and Mercury TOGETHER are more toxic and either toxin alone.

    4. Starting 2006, the CDC began urging pregnant women get Flu Shots.
    Starting 2011, the CDC began urging pregnant women get TDaP Shots

    Vaccine Inserts warn that Vaccines have NOT been safety tested for Pregnant women and should only be
    used if seriously needed. So the CDC VIOLATES the Warning from Vaccine Inserts when it urges ALL women
    to get these Vaccines!

    So after CDC Lies that “mercury has been removed”, mercury is still present. The number of vaccines containing aluminum, live viruses, mercury is greatly increased. For First Time in Human History, Pregnant Women are getting Vaccinated – even though the Vaccine Inserts say No Safety Testing for Pregnant Women and Warns Vaccines should Not be given to Pregnant Women unless “seriously warranted”.

    And That is why Autism Rate keeps going up. It is because the CDC is constantly Increasing the number of vaccines and Started vaccinating pregnant women!

    And there are another 300 Vaccines that are developed and will be FORCED on everyone by Government.
    Maybe when Half the Boys are Autistic, People will wake up!
    Or maybe all Adults will be Brain-Dead by then because Vaccines are starting to be Forced on Adults, too.

    This is another Holocaust, and just like the first Holocaust, people do not believe that a “civilized, scientific”
    government would commit atrocities! In the first Holocaust, people called those who warned that the
    Nazis were committing mass murder on all Jews, including women and children: “crazy” “fear mongers”
    History repeats itself!

    #1651710
    doomsday
    Participant

    There is no physical marker like a blood test to diagnose “autism”. It is diagnosed by a set of behaviors.
    Many Children with encephalopathy have been diagnosed with autism.

    #1651717
    doomsday
    Participant

    Syag: t has become very obvious that you do not understand autism if you think it is related to brain swelling or brain damage.

    Many children who had encephalopathy are diagnosed with autism. Nearly all children who won Vaccine Injury awards in Vaccine Court for “encephalopathy” are autistic. Lawyers tell parents : Don’t claim “autism” or you will lose as Vaccine Court denies vaccines cause autism based on the fraudulent
    Danish-Thimerosal Study 2003. (I showed how that Fraud was committed – look it up).

    But Vaccine Court pays for “encephalopathy” so that is the diagnosis the Parents of Autistic Children use.
    There is No physical marker for Autism – it is diagnosed based on a set of behaviors.

    So you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    #1651720
    Health
    Participant

    Dooms-KUP -“Not every child who is vaccinated gets autism.”

    So what is the solution? The insane solution by the Anti-vaxxers is that no one should be Vaxxed!
    You can do that by smoking, because there is no health benefit. Do you Anti-vaxxers actually think there’s No benefit to Vaxx?!?
    That’s why there’s an epidemic of Measles in the Frum communities.

    #1651727
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    doomsday
    “This is another Holocaust,…”

    Yet another topic you clearly know nothing about

    #1651731
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    @doomsday: What are your credentials so that I can consider your presumably misinterpreted and miscited medical studies?

    I’d like to quote a recent study right now on a subject matter that I am expert in: “Doomsday is wrong and an idiot who is causing damage.” (frumnotyeshivish, et al, 2018). I got my qualifications on this subject from reading ONLY page 24 of this topic. Prove me wrong, and I’ll retract. But you obviously cant.

    #1651740
    Health
    Participant

    Dooms-KUP -“There is no law preventing doctors from injecting pregnant women and babies/children with Thimerosal.”

    There is no reason to! The whole reason that they even removed Thimerosal from Vaccines, was because of you Anti-vaxxers!
    From the FDA:
    “No Link between Thimerosal in Vaccines and Autism
    Although all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger in the U.S. are available in formulations that do not contain thimerosal, thimerosal has a long record of safe and effective use in preventing bacterial and fungal contamination of vaccines, with no ill effects established other than hypersensitivity and minor local reactions at the site of injection.
    There is a robust body of peer-reviewed, scientific studies conducted in the United States and countries around the world that support the safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines. The scientific evidence collected over the past 15 years does not show any evidence of harm, including serious neurodevelopmental disorders, from use of thimerosal in vaccines. Specifically, the Institute of Medicine (now known as the National Academy of Medicine), and others have concluded that the evidence favors rejection of a link between thimerosal and autism. Scientific studies of the risk of other serious neurodevelopmental disorders have failed to support a causal link with thimerosal.”

    #1651749
    doomsday
    Participant

    Dooms-KUP -“Not every child who is vaccinated gets autism.”

    Health: So what is the solution? The insane solution by the Anti-vaxxers is that no one should be Vaxxed!

    All Anti-Vaxxers want is the Right to Decide whether or not they or there children should be Vaccinated.
    There are Risks/Benefits to both vaccinating and not vaccinating.
    But government should not be allowed to Forcibly inject you or your children with Risky Vaccines.
    And all Vaccines/Medications have Risk – that is why it is IMMORAL to Force – and violates informed consent!

    There is no reason to ban healthy unvaxxed children from Yeshiva/BY when vaccinated are 97% protected.
    Recently vaxxed children can spread disease.
    The 3% on whom vaccines did not work can spread disease.
    The adults whose vaccines wore off can spread disease –
    so why bar ONLY healthy unvaxxed children? It is Purely Coercion and no other reason.

    Public schools MUST allow unvaxxed children to attend.
    Do you see all those public school children dropping dead from measles?
    I don’t either because they Do Not Exist!

    If Public Schools by Law must allow unvaxxed children – and Zero Children Die from measles per year –
    there is NO reason for Yeshivas to ban unvaxxed children!

    Same goes for Forcing Vaccines on Adults – health care workers. It is purely for Coercion! T
    The Law allows Visitors to enter hospitals without being vaccinated so it is Not about safety but Coercion!

    And Think for a minute about the fact that Most doctors and nurses will NOT Voluntarily take the
    Flu Vaccine. I guess those doctors and nurses don’t trust CDC either! THINK!

    #1651751
    doomsday
    Participant

    Syag: dooms – I sure hope you are not thinking that a child in a vegetative state is autistic.

    Yes, I am sure that is a big comfort for the parents. So what if vaccines caused two of your children to
    regress into a vegetative state. At least they’re not Autistic!

    How Stupid!

    #1651758
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    dooms – I have no doubt the poor parents are intelligent and educated enough to know that their kids don’t have autism. I was asking about you!

    #1651753
    Meno
    Participant

    And Think for a minute about the fact that Most doctors and nurses will NOT Voluntarily take the Flu Vaccine. I guess those doctors and nurses don’t trust CDC either!

    I haven’t had a flu shot in years. Does that mean I don’t trust the CDC?

    #1651772
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    But Vaccine Court pays for “encephalopathy” so that is the diagnosis the Parents of Autistic Children use.

    exactly. autism used to get funding so people MISlabeled children autistic to get them funding. Now they are saying they have encephalopathy to get funding. People are LYING to get funding. Get it? You are proving yourself wrong and don’t even know it!

    There is No physical marker for Autism – it is diagnosed based on a set of behaviors.

    again, yes that was MY point, not yours. People are assuming every kid with a blank stare is autistic until they find something else to name them instead. Dig yourself in deeper perhaps.

    So you don’t know what you’re talking about.”

    Well, not only do I seem to display a heck of a lot more knowledge than you about autism, research studies, neurology and encephalitis, you seem to have a very large group of intelligent people here who believe exactly that about you.

    Like I said before, I am sorry for your loss. You obviously lost someone very close to you to vaccine injury or you would not be in such a critical state of denial. Normal, stable, balanced people don’t scream liar at people for weeks on end in leu of intelligent conversation. It’s just a fact. And I bet 2cents could pull up an online study to prove it.

    #1651780
    Health
    Participant

    DoomsKUP -“All Anti-Vaxxers want is the Right to Decide whether or not they or there children should be Vaccinated.
    There are Risks/Benefits to both vaccinating and not vaccinating.
    But government should not be allowed to Forcibly inject you or your children with Risky Vaccines.”

    This would be correct when it comes to your own & families health. When it come to e/o’s health besides yourself & your family, it’s wrong!
    For example: Measles – the Frum community now has an epidemic & since it is an airborne disease – it’s spread rapidly.
    Now the Gov. should get invovled because it’s in the Domain of Public Health.
    Public Health trounces your individual rights!

    #1651791
    Health
    Participant

    Doomsday -“The theory that genetics is responsible for Autism is another cover up that vaccines are the main cause of autism.”

    The next post will prove that even Anti-vaxxers believe Autism can come from Genes.

    From the VaccineReaction.org – a paper from the NVIC (Basically an Anti-vaxx site).
    “Genetic Links to Disorders With Autism Features
    That’s not to say that there are no children with autism-spectrum disorders (ASD) among the Amish, but evidence indicates that many of the disorders with autism-like symptoms noted among these communities are linked to genetic mutations, rather than to a primary diagnosis of ASD.”

     

    Edited. Please no more insults.

    #1651797
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Why (in this context) does it matter what causes autism?

    Also, when it comes to having the right to take risks, why should the parent have that right rather than the child?

    #1651833
    leaper
    Participant

    I think this thread is loooooong enough for everybody, enough arguing…
    Just curious, what would happen if any of you meet up in the street, how would the conversation get along?

    #1651838
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    doomsday
    “All Anti-Vaxxers want is the Right to Decide whether or not they or there children should be Vaccinated.”

    Yet another a lie.
    That is not all you want. you also want to force those of sound mind to have your kid’s near ours.
    You’ve been asked several times why you think you have this right,, this is but one of dozens of questions you haven’t answered.
    Please Please Please don’t reply with vaxxed children spreading disease, since aside from this being true it isnt relevent. Lets say, I want my kids to get measles from vaccinated children and not to be friends with children of kooky pro-disease parents. Again, we arent discussing the soundness of this decision, It might be craz and not grounded in fact. But r if that is what the parent body wants, why dont we have that right?

    If a parent body doesn’t want kids who own televisions or whose names’ start with a vowel, or who arent vaccinated why dont the parents have that right?
    Thanks

    #1651858
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    I have skimmed through your posts, while you imply that there have been recommendations by the CDC that pregnant women receive the flu shot.

    You fail to acknowledge:

    A. No pediatric vaccines contain mercury
    B. Most flu vaccines do not contain mercury.

    Only multi dose vials contain mercury.

    (I hope you would appreciate the short and to the point posts vs the lengthy yelling style posts.

    #1651884
    doomsday
    Participant

    Meno: I haven’t had a flu shot in years. Does that mean I don’t trust the CDC?

    Yes. If you don’t get the Flu Shot, you obviously think you know better then the CDC who strongly
    urges everyone to get Flu Vaccine.

    Soon, you won’t have a choice and All Adults will be FORCED to get yearly Flu Vaccine – and be at
    the mercy of the government who can inject you with anything they want.

    #1651888
    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: You fail to acknowledge:
    A. No pediatric vaccines contain mercury
    B. Most flu vaccines do not contain mercury.

    1. Pediatric vaccines labeled “thimerosal free” can contain up to 1,000 PPB of Mercury.
    2. There is No law that prohibits doctors from giving pregnant women and babies flu vaccines containing
    25 mcg thimerosal = 50,000 ppb mercury.
    3. The CDC keeps increasing the number of vaccines – which increases the amount of aluminum, toxins and the “trace amounts” of mercury, everything adds up.

    This constant increase in vaccines is why autism rate keeps going up.
    And the Vaccine Industry has 300 Vaccines waiting to be forced onto everyone.

    When will you say enough is enough, 2cents?
    when HALF of all boys are Autistic?
    It’s already 1:37 boys autistic in USA. 1:22 boys in NJ!

    #1651899
    doomsday
    Participant

    RebYidAlso, when it comes to having the right to take risks, why should the parent have that right rather than the child?

    Because children are not competent to make decisions. Do you let your children decide how much candy
    they are allowed to eat, whether they have to go to school, when they want to go to bed, etc?

    But your argument will be used to OUTLAW Bris Milah and Torah Education.
    The Government will say you have no right to decide for the child about Bris Milah or if your child
    should be “indoctrinated” in a Religion that teaches “hate” – that Toevah is a Sin.

    #1651912
    Health
    Participant

    Dooms -“Because children are not competent to make decisions.”

    The reason the government has to force e/o to Vaxx, is
    because Anti-vaxxers are not competent to make decisions.

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