Studies on vaccines you might have missed.👨‍🔬💉🚫

Health: It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”

Please name a vaxxed vs unvaxxed study.

Health: It’s also not true that there hasn’t been a “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study. In fact, there have been several. They generally show at least no differences in health and often better health in the vaccinated group. Basically, the claim that there is no “vaxxed vs. unvaxxed” study is a lie, antivaccine propaganda.”

2Cents named two studies that she claimed were vaxxed vs unvaxxed. And you Health ALSO said the studies
were vaxxed vs unvaxxed. But you were both PROVEN WRONG. Here are the 2 studies:

JAMA 2275444 – tested Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed without MMR. That is NOT vaxxed vs unvaxxed

PubMed 12523209 – also a Vaxxed + MMR vs Vaxxed without MMR. That is NOT a vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

A Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study means 100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% NOT Vaccinated.
Show me one study like that.

How many fruit baskets did it take for this thread not to be closed?

DoomsKUP -“A Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study means 100% Vaxxed per CDC Schedule vs 100% NOT Vaccinated.”

That’s your definition, we can prove that incidence of Autism with Vaxxed kids, is Not greater
than Unvaxxed kids, with other studies.
OH, HERE’S ONE – JAMA 2275444:
How many times do I have to tell you – that JAMA study with 95,000 kids included vaxxed – totally unvaxxed?!?”

Doomsday: “Are there research studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – aside from Wakefield?”

Ubiquiton: Asked and answered. I’ll answer again no there aren’t.

Folks, Proof that Ubiquiton and Yserbius are Liars. Google “studies linking vaccines autism” and find these sites:

157 Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link scrbd
24 Published Studies linking Vaccines to Autism
130 studies linking vaccines to neurological and autoimmune issues (includes Autism)

So any Provaxxer who says there are NO studies linking Vaccines to Autism – IS LYING!!!

@doomsday

There are 100+ studies that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the moon is made of green cheese. You claim that there are not such studies, but that’s a LIE brought to you by your friends paid from Big Farma and NASA. Here, I’ll show some of them to you:

• Gene–Brain Structure Relationships: Arbitrary Assumptions of Heterogeneity Generate Unfalsifiable Claims (JAMA 2007)
• Topology of three-jet events in pp collisions at √s=1.8 TeV (Physical Review 1992)
• A consistent co-rotational formulation for non-linear, three-dimensional, beam-elements (CMAME 2001)

So you see? All those who claim that there are no research papers showing that the moon is a solid chunk of moldy lactose are liars!

Folks, Yserbius LIES that the studies listed on websites mentioned have NOTHING to do with Autism or Vaccines.
Here are the FIRST 10 Studies from the website: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism. I did not pick them
out – they are the First 10 Studies in ORDER: And they DO have to do with Autism and Vaccines, so once again, Yserbius is a Proven Liar:

1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.
2. Pilot comparative study on health of VACCINATED and unvaccinated 6-12 year old US children
3. Hepatitus B VACCINATION of Male Neonates and AUTISM Diagnosis
4. Associations of prenatal and early childhood MERCURY exposure with AUTISTIC Behaviors at 5 years
5. The Association between MERCURY Exposure and AUTISM spectrum disorders
6. The putative role of environmental MERCURY in the pathogenesis and pathophysiology of AUTISM
7. Blood MERCURY, arsenic, cadmium and lead in children with AUTISM spectrum disorder.
8. Protective role of alpha-lipoic acid in IMPAIRMENTS in social and stereotypical behaviors induced by early
post-natal administration of THIMEROSAL in male rats.
9. Gender selective toxicity of THIMEROSAL.
10. MERCURY toxicokinetics – – dependency on strain and gender.

Wow 1200? So that makes a total of 1357!

Just a few hundred more and I’ll be totally convinced. Come on, I’m sure you could find a few hundred more.

1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.

“because of its observational design, this study is subject to several biases, including the inability to link specific patients to vaccination records, the population estimation method of measuring ethylmercury exposure, and the inability to assess vaccination avoidance. Additionally, numerous other studies by these authors—in which they claim an association between thimerosal and autism—have been rejected on the basis of flawed study designs.”

Debunked.

You liar.

(The rest as well)

1200 studies, revealing the research that the vaccine industry does not want you to know!

How many have you read?

You expect people to download an antivaxx ebook? They’re probably full of viruses.

@doomsday Yes or no? Did you or did you not read the article whose title I posted multiple times that debunks your “100+ studies” narischkeit?

doomsday
“Folks, Proof that Ubiquiton and Yserbius are Liars. Google “studies linking vaccines autism” and find these sites:”

Sigh, I’m busted.

Now all you need to do is provide study (again, don’t tell me to google I’m terrible at googling )

I see further down you provide a list.
thank you

Well this my or may not surprise you but the “studies” dont say what you hope they do

1. This was a preliminary unpublished abstract. which ultimately led to “Safety of thimerosal-containing vaccines: a two-phased study of computerized health maintenance organization databases.” (one of hundreds of studies showing NO LINK between vaccines (though this was specifically on thimersol) and autism)
2. This was a cross-sectional pilot study with a lot of room for confounding variables and recall bias. As the authors conclude “Further research involving larger, independent samples and stronger research designs is needed to verify and understand these unexpected findings in order to optimize the impact of vaccines on children’s health.”
3. another unpublished study, this was a poster where they looked at 31 children who with Autism who received Hep B vaccine.
another bid flaw with this “study” is that comparing kids born in the 80’s (pre hep B vaccine) to kids born in the 90’s doesnt prove much about autism. I dont deny that autism rates have gone up. The question is why.
you could do the same study on whether the kid grew up in a home with a PC. Obviously as home PC use increased autism rates increased, but that doesnt mean one caused the other.
4. This isnt about vaccines
5. ditto
6. ditto
7. ditto
8. This isnt about autism (rats can be autistic? who knew?
9. ditto (Though mice , not rats)
10. ditto

Thus as you can see (at least so far) thre are in fact NO studies linking vaccines and autism.
Of the 10 you mentioned 7 (or 70%) werent even about the subject at hand. The other 3 were preliminary or suffered from serious flaws, or both

2Cemts, the study you cite claiming to prove No MMR-Autism Connection was DEBUNKED: see below:

“No effect of MMR withdrawal on the incidence of autism: a total population study”[17]

Authors: Hideo Honda, Yasuo Shimizu, and Michael Rutter,

Publication & Date: Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry. June, 2005.

Details: The authors studied cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven for children born from 1988 to 1996 in Kohoku Ward, Yokohama, Japan. Japan is unique, because MMR was introduced in 1989 and discontinued in April 1993. ASD cases included all cases of pervasive developmental disorders according to ICD-10 guidelines.

Results: MMR coverage dropped considerably in Yokohama in the birth cohorts of 1988 through 1992, (because of safety concerns over the strain of live mumps virus being used), and not a single MMR vaccine was administered in 1993 or thereafter. “In contrast, cumulative incidence of ASD up to age seven increased significantly in the birth cohorts of years 1988 through 1996 and most notably rose dramatically beginning with the birth cohort of 1993.”

Authors’ Conclusions: “The significance of this finding is that MMR vaccination is most unlikely to be a main cause of ASD, that it cannot explain the rise over time in the incidence of ASD, and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.”

CRITIQUES OF THE STUDY[18]

■ The study tells us little about ASD incidence of ASD prior to 1988, when MMR was introduced. But we do know that the published prevalence of ASD did not exceed 25-per-10,000 at any time in Japan prior to 1988.

■ Annual incidence of ASDs for children born in 1987 was 20-per-10,000, but after MMR was introduced, in 1988, annual incidence more than quadrupled, to 85.9-per-10,000 for children born in 1990.

■ But then, MMR coverage began to decline dramatically, as concerns over the mumps viral component grew. ASD incidence likewise declined during this period, to 55.8 for children born in 1991 – representing a drop of 35%.

■ Following complete discontinuation of MMR in 1993, ASD incidence rose again, this time quite dramatically, to 161-per-10,000 for children born in 1994. However, during this time the recommended schedule was changed to include three single vaccines (M-M-R, given four weeks apart), which gained widespread acceptance, causing coverage to increase significantly.

■ For all practical purposes, children vaccinated according to the new schedule were still receiving ‘M-M-R’ at around age one. Giving the three separate vaccines in such close proximity amounts to overlapping exposure, in biological terms.

■ Early MMR trials showed clear evidence of ‘interference’ between the viruses in the combined vaccine, mediated through an altered immune response. The safety consequences of this ‘interference’ are completely unknown.

■ Children who have natural measles (or single measles vaccine) and natural mumps infections within the same year are at significantly greater risk of later inflammatory bowel disease,[19] which is consistent with an ‘interference’ phenomenon that could increase the risk of long-term measles virus infection and delayed disease.

■ The authors are wrong to examine MMR as the single exposure of interest, when in biological terms, exposure to M-M-R through three consecutive monovalent vaccines actually increased after 1993 when MMR was discontinued.

■ The data, therefore, could be interpreted as indicating a major influence of the pattern of exposure to these vaccine viruses on ASD incidence in this Japanese population.

■ More importantly, the data suggest a possible re-challenge effect of close temporal exposure to these three vaccine viruses on ASD incidence at the population level, whereby the exposure (MMR) has been introduced, removed (voluntarily through lack of public confidence), and then re-introduced (as M, M, and R close together).

■ ASD numbers increased and decreased in direct proportion to the total number of children vaccinated with the three live viruses. There is evidence of an effect not only from de-challenges and re-challenges, but there is also a “dose-response” relationship on a population level.

■ Such a dose-response relationship on a population level is rare; and is evidence of a possible causal association.

■ The interpretation by Public Health officials that this is the “last word on the subject” and that these data prove that MMR is safe is misleading and suggests a very limited perspective of the issues and a misunderstanding of published concerns on viral interference in a trivalent live-virus vaccine.

Undisclosed Conflict of Interest: Co-author Michael Rutter has close associations with the drug industry, including GlaxoSmithKline. He was a paid expert witness on their behalf in the UK MMR vaccine damage litigation. That was not declared in the Honda/Rutter paper.

SUMMARY:

Despite the methodological problems in Honda et al., and quite apart from the fact that an ecological study of this kind cannot be used to make attributions about causality, the unrecognized challenge-rechallenge effect of vaccination on autism rates in Japan provide yet another piece of support for the MMR-autism link. Because this study failed to clearly interpret the true population risk in the exposure of interest–assuming the removal of an exposure that in reality had remained– the conclusions drawn by the authors are based on erroneous reasoning. Although drawing overly strong conclusions about an association between MMR-type exposures and autism would be premature in light of the study’s ecological design constraints, the data clearly indicate that further scrutiny of the data is required

Dooms,

You do realize that most of your points are merely observations that have little to do with the conclusion of the study and do not debunk the study?

You see, someone is working overtime trying to discredit an otherwise very large study for the sake of furthering their belief, this is dishonest.

Who is Lying? Doomsday or ProVaxxers?

Folks, first the ProVaxxers Lied that there are NO studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – except for Wakefield. (They can’t lie about Wakefield’s study because everyone heard of it).
I proved that ProVaxxers LIED with a google search including a site that listed:
“157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism”

Then the ProVaxxers lied that the studies listed have nothing to do with vaccines or autism.
So I listed the first 10 studies IN ORDER without any Cherry Picking. Ubiquiton reviewed the studies and said
they are NOT about Vaccines and Autism. Yserbisu Also LIED that the studies are NOT about Vaccines and Autism! So I will Prove AGAIN that ProVaxxers are LYING:

Here are the FIRST 10 Studies listed on the site: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism:

1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life. This is a CDC STUDY (!) that shows that Thimerosal Vaccines given to newborns INCREASES RATE OF AUTISM! Ubiquiton says this study was never published. Correct – because CDC tried to HIDE THIS STUDY because it shows Vaccines cause Autism!!!

2. Pilot comparative study on health of VACCINATED and unvaccinated 6-12 year old US children
This was a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study showing that UnVaxxed Children have MUCH LOWER RATE OF AUTISM, ADHD, learning disabilities, allergies and asthma. The Author said there should be a LARGER
Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. Ubiquiton says this statement means the study was not valid. Wrong! The study has validity but a LARGER Study would have GREATER Validity!
Ubiquiton, WHY Does CDC refuse to do a LARGE Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study when there IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows a Link between Vaccines and Autism???
NO PROVAXXER CAN ANSWER this question!

3. Hepatitus B VACCINATION of Male Neonates and AUTISM Diagnosis.
Ubiquiton LIED that this was NOT a published study – it was! And it shows a link between
HepB Vaccine and Autism. Baby boys who got HepB as newborns were THREE TIMES more likely to be
diagnosed with Autism as baby boys who did NOT get HepB Vaccine!

4. Associations of prenatal and early childhood MERCURY exposure with AUTISTIC Behaviors at 5 years .
A Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

5. The Association between MERCURY Exposure and AUTISM spectrum disorders.
. Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

6. The putative role of environmental MERCURY in the pathogenesis and pathophysiology of AUTISM.
Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

7. .Blood MERCURY, arsenic, cadmium and lead in children with AUTISM spectrum disorder.
Another Study showing MERCURY causes Autism. And Vaccines contain Mercury (Flu) or “trace amounts” of Mercury (many vaccines). And Mercury can be dangerous even in very small amounts!

8. Protective role of alpha-lipoic acid in IMPAIRMENTS in social and stereotypical behaviors induced by early
post-natal administration of THIMEROSAL in male rats.
Study showed Thimerosal caused Autism in Rats. Ubiquiton says a study on Rats is Invalid even though Pharmaceutical Companies ALWAYS test medications on Animals, especially Rats. Is Ubiquiton claiming that all the Medicine Safety Studies done by Pharmaceutical Companies using Rats are INVALID???

9. Gender selective toxicity of THIMEROSAL
Ubiquiton said this was a MICE Study. WRONG! It was a study showing Vaccines cause diagnosis
of “Emotional Disturbance” in Boys. This was the only study not directly related to Autism but it does show
that VACCINES Cause Harm (Emotional Disturbance). And the fact that BOYS are more harmed by vaccines is INDIRECT evidence of vaccine-autism link, as Autism if four times more common in BOYS!

10. MERCURY toxicokinetics – – dependency on strain and gender.
A study showing that SOME Rats have trouble excreting Mercury which causes damage to those rats.
This DOES relate to evidence that some children have trouble Excreting Mercury and other toxins which cause them to Develop Autism and other disorders.

So who is lying? I showed you that 9 out of 10 of the first 10 studies from site “157 Studies showing Link between Vaccines and Autism” are showing that Vaccines or Mercury are associated with Autism.
1 Study shows that Vaccines cause diagnosis of “Emotionally Disturbed”.
So ProVaxxers are once again proven to be Liars!

Health: Dooms-KUP isn’t up on the Latest Anti-Vaxxing theories. They Now believe it’s the Aluminum in the Vaxx that causes Autism.

Another Lie! I have repeatedly said that Aluminum in Vaccines is a Neurotoxin!
Maybe you don’t know what “Neurotoxin” means? It means Aluminum causes BRAIN DAMAGE!
And that is what Autism is – Brain Damage!

And your fellow ProVaxxers said you should stop the name-calling (Dooms-Kup)
because you are damaging the credibility of ProVaxxers and making them look bad!

Health: Lara Lohne, although she was never vaccinated because her parents were anti-vaccine, had every intention of vaccinating her own child. She didn’t though, because of financial issues. And although he had never received any vaccines, her son developed autism:”

WOW! A ProVax Website found ONE 100% Unvaxxed Child with Autism!
There are MILLIONS of Vaccinated Children with Autism but ProVax Website can ONLY FIND ONE UNVAXXED
Child with Autism!
Hey, ProVaxxers – that actually Proves that Vaccines cause Autism and NOT Vaccinating PREVENTS Autism!

More Proof that ProVaxxers Lie: Here is Daas Yochid:

1. Increased risk of Developmental neurologic IMPAIRMENT after high exposure to THIMEROSAL containing VACCINE in first month of life.

“because of its observational design, this study is subject to several biases, including the inability to link specific patients to vaccination records, the population estimation method of measuring ethylmercury exposure, and the inability to assess vaccination avoidance. Additionally, numerous other studies by these authors—in which they claim an association between thimerosal and autism—have been rejected on the basis of flawed study designs.”

Debunked. You liar. (The rest as well)

My response:
1. This was a CDC STUDY that showed that Vaccines Cause Autism! CDC HID THIS STUDY!
When this CDC Study was revealed, CDC hired Scientists to DEBUNK Their Own Study – because CDC
did not like the Results – it Proved Vaccines Cause Autism!

2. Daas Yochid is accusing CDC of designing Flawed Studies

3. Daas Yochid calls me a Liar – then goes on to LIE that ALL the 157 Studies have been Debunked!

So who is the Liar – Doomsday or Daas Yochid? Answer: Daas Yochid, a ProVaxxer!

Doomsday,

This was a CDC STUDY that showed that Vaccines Cause Autism! CDC HID THIS STUDY! When this CDC Study was revealed, CDC hired Scientists to DEBUNK Their Own Study – because CDC did not like the Results – it Proved Vaccines Cause Autism!

I’m sure what you’re saying is very well documented, and not some kind of wild conspiracy theory that you pull out of your back pocket whenever someone debunks an Anti-vaxxer study.

Dooms,

“I didn’t credit age of autism because Lying ProVaxxers, instead of responding to the FACTS and DATA that
are listed in the “Debunking”, attack the authors or website as “Anti-Vaccine” or “Anti-Medicine”.”

Dooms, you do realize that the credibility of that site is little to none, so the FACTS that you write about (in CAPS) are not really facts, the arguments are just a bunch of nonsense, the statistics are made up and correlations are not able to be verified.

2cents: Dooms, you do realize that the credibility of that site is little to none, so the FACTS that you write about (in CAPS) are not really facts, the arguments are just a bunch of nonsense, the statistics are made up and correlations are not able to be verified.

No, you are LYING again. Let me see you refute any of the FACTS and DATA that DEBUNKED the study
you cited! Once again, you ProVaxxers are just dismissing any FACTS and DATA and just attacking
the SOURCE of the Facts and Data!

Folks, you notice how ProVaxxers always attack the PERSON or WEBSITE that supplies the FACTS and DATA that exposes FRAUDULENT Studies – instead of responding to the Facts and Data cited?
Because they cannot REFUTE the EXPOSED FRAUD, they attack the messenger instead!

The following is an oped by Rabbi Dr. Aaron Glatt that appeared in the Five Towns Jewish Times;
By Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD

There is a small, yet very vocal and influential group of “anti-vaxxers” living in our heimishe communities. They should stop reading now, as they will not like what I have to say, will not listen to what I have to say, and will write personal non-scientific scathing diatribes against me. However, I hope the rest of Klal Yisroel keeps on reading this critically important pikuah nefashosarticle, which the Yerushalmi essentially states is a primary chiyuv of a rav to darshen.

“Measles Outbreak in New York City in the Orthodox Jewish Community” was the title of a letter sent last week by the Department of Health to physicians across the state. Unfortunately, this is only the latest such tragic headline among numerous similar and preventable outbreaks in recent months and years, in our communities, in the U.S., Eretz Yisroel and Europe. I was truly saddened, embarrassed and pained.

Almost all the cases of measles are directly related to someone (or many people) being unvaccinated and spreading their illness and ignorance to others. I am very sorry if that offends anyone, but my vaccinated, 2-year-old granddaughter just had to get an urgent premature second dose of MMR vaccine after being exposed in “gan” in Israel; her 5-month old brother, too young to be vaccinated, had to get a painful gamma globulin shot, because of such incorrect and dangerous medical views. Hashem yeracheim.

There is absolutely no one who disagrees with the psak that a parent is required to remove one’s child to safety when a danger is present. Indeed, this is part of the basis for the halachic ruling of HaRav Elyashiv zt”l, who viewed normal childhood vaccinations as being an obligatory part of parental obligations.

HaRav Asher Weiss, shlita, poseik for Shaare Zedek Hospital, says it is a mitzvah and chiyuvto get vaccinated, bringing a proof from the story of Sodom from this week’s Parsha. He further states that yeshivas have the right and even obligation to protect other students, and should not allow unvaccinated children into school. This is also the written psak of HaRav Yitzchok Zilberstein, shlita as well as the psak of HaRav Elyashiv, who ruled that parents have the right to have unvaccinated children excluded from class so as not to cause unnecessary risks for their children.

Many other gedolei Yisroel, including HaRav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zt”l, HaRav Yehoshua Newirth, zt”l, and yibadeil bein chayim lechayim, HaRav J. David Bleich, HaRav Reuven Feinstein, HaRav Hershel Schachter and HaRav Mordechai Willig, shlita, have all ruled that there is no basis in halacha to suggest that vaccinations should be avoided. All strongly urge and support appropriate universal vaccination against the major childhood potentially fatal illness that are preventable.

Indeed, it is sheker (dishonest) to officially avow that Jewish law forbids vaccination, which is the only way in some states to avoid mandatory state vaccination laws by providing such a false attestation about our religion.

So why all the headlines, anguish and outbreaks among the “People of the Book?” Why did 180 children, 80 percent of whom were unvaccinated, die in the United States during 2017/2018 from flu, along with 80,000 adults? Why do yeshivas and camps have to close  and stop learning because of mumps outbreaks? Why were six babies hospitalized with measles in the past month at Ichilov Medical Center in Tel Aviv? Are we living in the 1950s?

In my humble opinion, as a community rav and board certified infectious diseases physician expert, it is because we somehow have forgotten to read the word of Hashem. Halacha states that if there is a dispute regarding whether a patient should eat on Yom Kippur, or if Shabbos desecration is necessary to save a life, the most competent and/or the majority of experts make the determination.

Regarding vaccination against the major vaccine preventable illnesses, both determinants (expertise and majority) are the same. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, all 50 state Departments of Health in the United States, the Pediatric Infectious Disease Society, the American College of Physicians, and every other major professional infection control organization in the world, clearly opine unanimously. Bar none – “leis man depalig” – there is no mumcheh (expert) organization that disagrees. The evidence is overwhelming that vaccination is the only way to control these preventable fatal diseases. Chasdei Hashem – no one dies anymore of smallpox; polio is almost wiped out – solely, and only because of very successful vaccination programs. Rachmana leztlan, why should anyone in 5779 die from measles???

Why are people not following these medical experts as halacha requires? Why are my (and your) precious children and grandchildren unnecessarily exposed to lethal illnesses, forced to take painful and additional medications and shots, because non-experts “believe” otherwise.

Imagine if parents were to insist their child come to school armed with a revolver. Would even the most ardent gun rights activist insist this is right? So why are we letting children come to our shuls, schools and camps spreading serious potentially life threatening illness that could have been prevented by vaccination?

All the major rabbinic organizations have rightly and strongly spoken out against physician assisted death; I myself also recently published on this subject. Therefore, I feel compelled to publicly speak out (again) against “non-vaccination assisted death”, a cause which unfortunately does not get enough similar support. Please ask your Rav to speak about this on Shabbos – it is a matter of pikuach nefashos.

Rabbi Aaron Glatt, MD, FACP, FIDSA, FSHEA, is Chairman of Department of Medicine, Chief Infectious Diseases and Hospital Epidemiologist at South Nassau Communities Hospital; Clinical Professor of Medicine at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai and Assistant Rabbi, Young Israel of Woodmere. This editorial also appears in The Jewish Press.

“Who is Lying? Doomsday or ProVaxxers?”

doomsday

“Folks, first the ProVaxxers Lied that there are NO studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – except for Wakefield. ”

I never said that. (at least I didint mean that, sorry if I wasn’t clear) What I meant was that there is no study linking vaccines, and autism, period. Wakefiel’ds was retracted and no longer counts as a study than can be used to link things.

“Here are the FIRST 10 Studies listed on the site: 157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism:”

Yep you posted these already y 70% arent about the subject at hand, and the others are weak at best.

1. again this was a preliminary study. The final results WERE published see reference earlier
I proved that ProVaxxers LIED with a google search including a site that listed:
“157 Studies linking Vaccines to Autism”

2. “Ubiquiton, WHY Does CDC refuse to do a LARGE Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study when there IS a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study that shows a Link between Vaccines and Autism???
NO PROVAXXER CAN ANSWER this question!”

I literally answered this question several times.
I’m starting t o think you dont eve rend these short responses much liek you clearly didn’t read the studies (or even the TITLES of the studies you cite)

“The study has validity but a LARGER Study would have GREATER Validity!”
You left off half of my critique of said study

3. Sorry it was published I was wrong on that point.
nonetheless as I pointed out there is a big flaw in that study

4 -7
“A Study showing MERCURY causes Autism”
But that isnt the subject at hand

8
“caused Autism in Rats.” Are you being serious? Autistic rats? (though to be fair I did come across some interesting autistic rat models w/ autistic type features)

” Is Ubiquiton claiming that all the Medicine Safety Studies done by Pharmaceutical Companies using Rats are INVALID???”
No, are you claiming that If I did a study that showed that removing a rat’s larynx did not change its ability to speak (not squeak or squeal) you would accept that “hey I guess larynx doesnt play a role in human speach, go ahead and remove them willy nilly” ?

9. “WRONG! It was a study showing Vaccines cause diagnosis of “Emotional Disturbance” in Boys”
you must be talking about a different study.
Assuming yuo mean Gender-selective toxicity of thimerosal.: Exp Toxicol Pathol. 2009 Mar;61(2):133-6. doi: 10.1016/j.etp.2008.07.002. Epub 2008 Sep 3.
It is in fact about mice (This one is neither about Autism nor vaccines its about thimerosal and toxicity rates in male mice compared to females) )

10. Again, neither about vaccines nor autism.

“So who is lying? I showed you that 9 out of 10 of the first 10 studies from site “157 Studies showing Link between Vaccines and Autism” are showing that Vaccines or Mercury are associated with Autism.”

Ah but thats not what you claimed earlier .Earlier you said vaccines and autism.
To date you have not showed a single study establishing such a link

I’m happy to switch to the admittedly tangentially related, mercury and autism . But one thing at a time.

Are you out of studies trying to link Autism to vaccines?

Folks, stop arguing with @doomsday about each study individually. The website vaxopedia.org has an article called “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” goes through each study in @doomsday’s list individually and shows how the study does not conclude that there’s a link between vaccines and autism. Mrs. Day knows this which is why she continues to argue without addressing the article.