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doomsday -“NONE of them say the study included 100% Unvaxxed Children as you claim. Here are ALL the References:”
Health: Another DoomsKUP LIE! Here it is:
“24. Smith PJ, Chu SY, Barker LE. Children who have received no vaccines: who are they and where do they live? Pediatrics. 2004;114(1):187-“Health, You said How many times do I have to tell you – that JAMA study with 95,000 kids included vaxxed – totally unvaxxed?!?
WRONG HEALTH! The JAMA Study did NOT include children who were Totally Unvaxxed! Just because
there was a reference to a study asking “WHERE DO UNVAXXED CHILDREN LIVE?” Does not mean there
were any Unvaxxed children in the Study!OY! Learn to Read a study!
Doomsday: “The 110k deaths reported globally are from STARVING Children in Third World Countries.
Measles Deaths are Very Rare in USA and First World Countries!”Health: Another Dooms-KUP LIE!
At the most – only half are due to Malnutrition. From the WHO:
“Nutrition-related factors contribute to about 45% of deaths in children under-5 years of age.Health, the point is children in USA and other First World Countries don’t die from measles –
only 1:10,000. On a yearly basis there are ZERO measles deaths in USA
51 people die from Lightning every year. Do we have mass hysteria over lightning?Dooms,
But it is very likely that those that did not receive the MMR shot also have received any shots, yet the rate of autism was the same among all groups besides for those with a genetic predisposition.
Keej123,
That is not our disagreement.
The disagreement is what we are trying to find out. This was not about genetic vs non genetic autism.
If that were the case what you write can be taken into considerationt.
This is specifically if MMR is a cause or not, everything else you deduce is secondary and not the objective of the study.
The study clearly and strongly demonstrated that there is no link. From a statistical standpoint its a very strong study.
While it did show a significant increase of those that were predisposed to a genetic risk of developing autism regardless of vaccination status, this was not the subject of the study.
However, this observation is in line with other studies that show a significant increase of autisim when there is a genetic factor.
A reminder: @doomsday claimed over and over again that there were 150 studies showing that vaccines cause autism. Several times it was pointed out to her that it’s not true, and I even showed a webpage that goes through them individually showing how the studies do not show a link. @doomsday was silent for a few days, then came back claiming the same thing pretending like it was never shtuched out to begin with.
Same thing with @2cents. @doomsday every few days mentions that there was never a retroactive study on un-vaccinated vs vaccinated people. @2cents would point out several examples. After a few threads bickering over the details (@doomsday has an insanely narrow definition of the exact study she will accept as evidence) again she was silent. Then two days later calls @2cents a liar and pretends she never heard of the study.
Curr Med Chem. 2011;18(17):2630-7.
Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: are they safe?
Tomljenovic L1, Shaw CA.
Author information1
Neural Dynamics Research Group, Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, BC, V5Z 1L8, Canada. [email protected]Abstract
Aluminum is an experimentally demonstrated neurotoxin and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant. Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminum adjuvants, medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor. There is also a concerning scarcity of data on toxicology and pharmacokinetics of these compounds. In spite of this, the notion that aluminum in vaccines is safe appears to be widely accepted. Experimental research, however, clearly shows that aluminum adjuvants have a potential to induce serious immunological disorders in humans. In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences. In our opinion, the possibility that vaccine benefits may have been overrated and the risk of potential adverse effects underestimated, has not been rigorously evaluated in the medical and scientific community. We hope that the present paper will provide a framework for a much needed and long overdue assessment of this highly contentious medical issue.
Bais hillel,
The article you posted has a very strong author bias, in fact the same authors have authored an article that was published and later withdrawn as it was shown to be flawed.
Their conclusions are not evidence based and are not at the level of what the scientific community expects it to be.
this is the redaction:
“This article has been withdrawn at the request of the Editor-in-Chief due to serious concerns regarding the scientific soundness of the article. Review by the Editor-in-Chief and evaluation by outside experts, confirmed that the methodology is seriously flawed, and the claims that the article makes are unjustified. As an international peer-reviewed journal we believe it is our duty to withdraw the article from further circulation, and to notify the community of this issue.”If these are the people that are at the forefront of your position, they further your agenda you have a very low criteria for accepting legitimate science.
Below is from the Chops website.
“Aluminum is used in vaccines as an adjuvant. An adjuvant is vaccine component that boosts the immune response to the vaccine. Adjuvants allow for lesser quantities of the vaccine and fewer doses. The adjuvant effects of aluminum were discovered in 1926. Aluminum adjuvants are used in vaccines such as hepatitis A, hepatitis B, diphtheria-tetanus-containing vaccines, Haemophilus influenzae type b, and pneumococcal vaccines, but they are not used in the live, viral vaccines, such as measles, mumps, rubella, varicella and rotavirus.
Vaccines containing adjuvants are tested extensively in clinical trials before being licensed. Aluminum salts, monophosphoryl A (a detoxified bacterial component), and squalene (a compound of the body’s normal cholesterol synthesis pathway) are the only materials that can be used as adjuvants in the United States. The quantities of aluminum present in vaccines are low and are regulated by the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER).
The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams, formula-fed infants ingest about 38 milligrams, and infants who are fed soy formula ingest almost 117 milligrams of aluminum during the first six months of life.”
2Cents: But it is very likely that those that did not receive the MMR shot also have received any shots, yet the rate of autism was the same among all groups besides for those with a genetic predisposition.
Are you saying those who did not get the MMR, are probably 100% Unvaccinated?
That is NOT the case as the Researchers KNOW which vaccines the Non-MMR group got based on
insurance claims. If there was a 100% UNVACCINATED Child who got MMR – THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE
HEADLINES.
The Researchers acknowledged that if a child is showing SIGNS OF AUTISM, parents are likely to STOP Vaccinating – which may mean the MMR which is given at 12-15 months. But there are MANY Vaccines containing NEUROTOXINS like Aluminum are given to FETUSES (Pre-Natal Vaccines, including FLU shot which may contain 25 mdg of Thimerosal), on the DAY of Birth, at 2 Months, 4 Months and 6 Months, FLU Shot at 6 months may contain 25 mcg of Thimerosal – those vaccines given when a NewBorn is MOST VULNERABLE TO BRAIN DAMAGE – is the most likely cause of Autism BEFORE the MMR shot!Yserbius: A reminder: @doomsday claimed over and over again that there were 150 studies showing that vaccines cause autism. Several times it was pointed out to her that it’s not true, and I even showed a webpage that goes through them individually showing how the studies do not show a link.
Folks, THERE ARE 157 Research Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism. I am not allowed to post links but if you google “157 studies linking vaccines autism” and “130 studies linking vaccines autism” and see for yourself.
Yserbius is a LIAR – see the research papers for yourself, they are ON the internet for all to see!Yserbius: @doomsday every few days mentions that there was never a retroactive study on un-vaccinated vs vaccinated people. @2cents would point out several examples.
Actually I said there was at least one Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study that showed that UNvaxxed chidlren had
MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LESS Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies and Asthma then Vaccinated Children.
What I did ask is WHY WON’T CDC DO A VAXXED VS UNVAXXED STUDY? This was demanded by CongressMEN who even proposed a LAW to FORCE CDC to conduct the study, but the Bill was not passed by Congress (who accepts More MILLIONS from Pharmaceutical Company then any other Industry!)The studies 2Cents claimed were Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed were NOT. Those studies were Vaxxed vs Vaxxed.
A vaxxed vs unvaxxed study means 100% vaxxed per CDC schedule vs 100% Unvaxxed. Retrospective – NO ethical issues. And there are PLENTY of 100% unvaxxed children.Remember! It was a SMOKER VS NON-SMOKER Study that PROVED SMOKING CAUSES CANCER – after
30 Years of Tobacco Industry HIRING CORRUPT SCIENTISTS to LIE that Smoking does NOT cause Cancer!
The Pharmaceutical Company is doing the exact same thing as the Tobacco Industry!
How can People be so DUMB as to fall for the EXACT SAME TRICK TWICE?DEMAND a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study – and REFUSE Vaccinations until they are PROVEN Safe!
There is an EPIDEMIC of Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Diabetes, Epilepsy (seizures), Diabetes, Cancer, Allergies (can be FATAL) and Asthma which SKYROCKETED when the CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine Schedule!Why are the anti-vaxxers the only ones yelling?
(With the exception of Health, but that’s a different story.)
Thank you Bais Hillel for posting these studies showing Vaccines are Harmful
Folks, there are PLENTY of studies showing Vaccines are Harmful.
Don’t believe the LIES of CDC, Media and ProVaxxers that Wakefield was the ONLY study showing
Vaccines are harmful! There are over 150+ such studies by real SCIENTISTS!Don’t Forget that the Most IMPORTANT STUDY: Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed – CDC refuses to do without
any explanation! (Retrospective – no ethical issues).
Remember: It was the SMOKER vs NON SMOKER Study that PROVED Smoking causes Cancer after the
Tobacco Industry hired CORRUPT SCIENTISTS TO LIE that Smoking does not cause Cancer!
Don’t let a Corrupt Industry FOOL YOU TWICE!
Learn from RECENT History how CORRUPT SCIENTISTS LIE for Corporations!Look at my Posts where I PROVED these Vaccine Safety Studies are FRAUDULENT – and no ProVaxxer could refute the Fraud. (these studies were debunked by SCIENTISTS and I used the information in my posts).
Sorry, I meant to type If there a 100% UNVACCINATED Child who got AUTISM, that would have made
Headlines.Moderators, how can I edit my post? Thank you!
doomsday
“Folks, THERE ARE 157 Research Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism. ”You keep saying that, that doesn’t make it true
I’m not sure what list you are referring too. most such lists include studies that arent about vaccines, arent about autism or both .I think you are confusing with DOES NOT cause autism. To that end there are well over 157 studies.
I know I know the studies arent good because bot h groups ate apples or had other vaccines or something, so somehow that doesn’t show that MMR isnt linked to autism
spare me.
But please stop lyingDY
she isn’t feeling so well, she came down with the measlesDY
she isn’t feeling so well, she came down with the measlesRefuah sheleimah
If there a 100% UNVACCINATED Child who got AUTISM, that would have made
Headlines.Another lie.
Even antivaxxers don’t deny that unvaccinated children can get autism, they just made up that vaccines cause it to be more common.
Doomsday: If there a 100% UNVACCINATED Child who got AUTISM, that would have made
Headlines.DaasYochid: Another lie. Even antivaxxers don’t deny that unvaccinated children can get autism, they just made up that vaccines cause it to be more common.
I was referring to a 100% UNvaccinated Child in the MMR Sibling Study.
Unvaccinated Children can get Autism – about 1:3,333 per today’s definition of Autism vs 1:50 for Vaxxed!CDC/ProVaxxer LIE: There are NO Studies linking Vaccines to Autism – Except for Wakefield!
Folks, this is one of the BIGGEST LIES of CDC and ProVaxxers. You can google “Vaccine Autism Link” and you
will find websites posting Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism. Some Websites post “157 Research Studies linking Vaccines to Autism” Some Websites Post “130 Research Studies linking Vaccines to Autism” and some websites say “24 Research Studies Linking Vaccines to Autism” and there are even more websites on posting these studies.The ProVaxxers say I am lying – that not ALL these studies are about Vaccines. So What? So 90% of the Studies are Linking Vaccines To Autism.
It is still a HUGE LIE to say “There are NO Research Studies linking Vaccines to Autism – Except for Wakefield”
There are Definitely over 100+ Such Studies.
See how the CDC and the ProVaxxers LIE to you? How can you trust ANYTHING they say?DaasYochid: Even antivaxxers don’t deny that unvaccinated children can get autism, they just made up that vaccines cause it to be more common.
Psychology Today (PRO VAX Magazine): “In 1970 1 in 10,000 was diagnosed with Autism”
In the 1960s children got only FOUR Vaccines: Measles, Smallpox, DPT and Polio.
Around 1990 CDC began TRIPLING and then QUADRUPLING the number of Vaccines given.
And the Autism Rate went from 1:10,000 to 1:50But the Diagnosis of Autism has expanded! Say the CDC and ProVaxxers.
Yes. the 1:10,000 in 1970 had NON-VERBAL Autism
Today 1/3 of children diagnosed with Autism have NON-VERBAL Autism so they TRIPLED the number of
Children diagnosed with Autism.
By Today’s Definition of Autism about 1:3,333 children would have been diagnosed with Autism in 1970.
So under 1960s Vaccine Schedule 1:3,333 children get Autism.
And with today’s INSANE Vaccine Schedule – FOUR TIMES as many as 1960s: we have 1:50 children w/Autism!Vaccines Cause Autism. And many more chronic illnesses. Vaccines caused the Sickest Generation of Children!
A Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study showed that 100% Unvaxxed Children have MUCH, MUCH, MUCH LESS Autism, ADHD, Learning Disability, Allergies, Asthma.
CDC KNOWS that a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study will PROVE Vaccines Cause Autism and much more Chronic
Illnesses and Disabilities. That is why the CDC/Vaccine Industry REFUSES to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study!It’s time to shut doomsday down. She keeps repeating the same stuff that has been disproven by others over and over again. She keeps quoting her 157 studies which numerous people have debunked. She ignores the comments and just says the same thing over and over again. I think we should stop responding to her. We are only encouraging her childish illogical behavior. We need to deal with her the same way we deal with our little children-you don’t argue with them. If everyone would just stop responding to her she would have no forum in which to continue her idiotic illogical unscientific comments. Let’s stop encouraging her nonsense once and for all. She hasn’t said anything new for the past 800 posts!
Folks, @doomsday keeps claiming that there are “157 studies” linking autism to vaccination. She “knows” this because she found comment on another forum that claims it is so and links to a public text repository that lists those alleged 157 studies.
Problem is, that isn’t true. Sure someone claims that those studies show a link, but as we’ve demonstrated in numerous comments that not a single one of those studies shows a valid conclusion linking the two. In fact, I even found several websites that address the claim and go through each and every study showing how the conclusion is simply wrong.
@doomsday first said she “doesn’t have time” to read the website (but plenty of time to keep quoting old lies!) and the proceeded to do what she does best. Ignored the debunking for a few days, then posted the claim of “157 studies” again when she thought everyone forgot.ProVaxxers, Just answer this: YES or NO? Is this statement True?
“There are NO studies linking Vaccines to Autism – except for Wakefield’s” True or False?
I’m not asking if you consider these studies VALID – just asking you to acknowledge they exist!
All @doomsday has to do is look on Google for an article called
About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link
To see that her allegation that there exist papers that support the idea that autism comes from vaccination is FALSE and an invention by a blogger.
But she won’t. Don’t know why, but I’ve repeatedly responded with this article whenever she brings up this lie and she has yet to actually look at the webpage.
Then there’s the thimerisol thing. A lot of the alleged studies and research talk about the effects of ethylmercury on developing children. Anti-vaxxers claim that’s proof that thimerisol is bad. Except that thimerisol isn’t ethylmercury. It’s a different compound called methylethylmercury.
I’ve mentioned this to the anti-vaxxers on this topic and none have responded yet. Most do the same thing of ignoring it, then coming back after a few days with the same claims as if I conveniently forgot that they were debunked.
Why are the anti-vaxxers the only ones yelling?
To try and drown out the logic, sensible thinking, and legitimate scientific information the pro vaxxers are presenting.
Psychology Today (PRO VAX Magazine): “In 1970 1 in 10,000 was diagnosed with Autism”
In the 1960s children got only FOUR Vaccines: Measles, Smallpox, DPT and Polio.
Around 1990 CDC began TRIPLING and then QUADRUPLING the number of Vaccines given.
And the Autism Rate went from 1:10,000 to 1:50Wait, why was the ratio so low if they were all vaxxed back then? According to you, there’s vaxxed and unvaxxed and nothing in between.
Also, you didn’t answer my point.
She hasn’t said anything new for the past 800 posts!
I think she’s managed to sneak in a bunch more lies. She doesn’t only lie on December 2nd, you know.
Thats how this digital era works. Every loonie can post and repost as much as they want.
I like dooms post, unvaccinated people are only 1 in 33k chance of being diagnosed with autism. Lol. Families with an autistic child are less likely to vaccinate their other children, yet those other children are more likely to be autistic.
Doomsday: And the Autism Rate went from 1:10,000 to 1:50
DaasYochid: Wait, why was the ratio so low if they were all vaxxed back then? According to you, there’s vaxxed and unvaxxed and nothing in between.
More vaccines do equal more autism. But the MMR -Autism Study was comparing children who received
34 Vaccines (including MMR) with children receiving 32 Vaccines (NO MMR). And there was Healthy User Bias. And some of the No MMR Group may have gotten MMR at school or health clinic and not reported to Insurance company. So that study has no validity.In the 1960s there was no “healthy user bias” because nobody connected autism to vaccines – because
autism was SO RARE.
Today Autism is 1:50 and Everybody heard of the vaccine-autism connection so if a child is showing signs of autism or delays, those children are more likely to STOP getting vaccinated.A Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study means children receiving 100% of the CDC Vaccine Schedule vs
100% Unvaccinated Children. (Retrospective, NO ethical issues)
And there are PLENTY of Children in both groups.So WHY Won’t CDC do the study? Nobody gave a valid answer.
A ProVaxxer claimed that Anti-Vaxxers won’t accept that study because they did not accept other studies.
That’s a weak excuse!
Only a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study has SCIENTIFIC Validity.Yserbius: Problem is, that isn’t true. Sure someone claims that those studies show a link, but as we’ve demonstrated in numerous comments that not a single one of those studies shows a valid conclusion linking the two.
If you want to say there is NO VALID study linking Vaccines to Autism, you can make that claim.
But to say that there AREN’T ANY STUDIES Linking Vaccines to Autism – Except for Walkefield’s – That is a LIE.
Why do you acknowledge that there is ONE STUDY (Wakefield) showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism?
Because the whole world heard of Wakefield’s Study so the CDC cannot LIE that there are NO STUDIES
linking Vaccines and Autism. But because the News Media (which gets 70% of its income from Pharmaceutical Industry) HIDES the 100+ OTHER studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism,
the CDC and ProVaxxers simply LIE that there are NO STUDIES showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism – Except for Wakefield’s which everyone knows about.There are 100+ such studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism.
You can say ALL those Studies are Wrong.
But You CANNOT Say that there aren’t any Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism.
That is 100% SHEKER and when you are caught lying you lose all Credibility.2Cents: The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams,
There is a HUGE difference between ingested (eaten) aluminum and INJECTED aluminum!
Per the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) states that only 0.1-0.4% of aluminum INGESTED is actually absorbed. So from 7 mg in breastmilk x .4% = .028 mg
Convert this to Mcg to see the BIG Difference:
Breast Milk = 28 mcg
Vaccines = 4,400 mcg (100% straight to the bloodstream)2Cents: “This article has been withdrawn at the request of the Editor-in-Chief due to serious concerns regarding the scientific soundness of the article.
Folks, a study showing that Vaccines are Dangerous was published in a Scientific Journal.
That means it was PEER REVIEWED before publication and the science was found to be sound!
Then the Pharmaceutical Company Mafia applied pressure to the Journal – and now suddenly – the
science that was declared sound before is NOW declared to be unsound and the paper is retracted.Medical Journal Editors get HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS $$$ a year from Pharmaceutical company!
Article: This Is The Sickening Amount Pharmaceutical Companies Pay Top Journal Editors
Worst on that list is the Journal of the American College of Cardiology (JACC), where19 of its editors received, on average, US$475,072 personally and another US$119,407 for ‘research’.“But You CANNOT Say that there aren’t any Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism.”
Yes I can.
Now granted It depends how you define study,you’ve had some funny definitions over the course of the past 21 pages and some made up Scientific “rules” (eg “Only a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study has SCIENTIFIC Validity.”)There without question arent “100’s” of studies . when people say there are “studies” on vaccines and autism, the sits often include studies that aren’t about vaccines, autism or both. They often include “studies” that appeared in pay-to-play journals that aren’t grounded in reality and that have no oversight.
Finally they often include Case reports which arguably isn’t a study, and certainly can’t be used to PROVE anything.I’d be happy to [play this game with you post a “study” and I’ll tell you why it doesn’t who what you think it shows, and why it lacks validity.
Don’t tell me to google “157 studies” or just copy and paste a list of references
Lets do this one a at time. Post ONE study and I will explain to you what is wrong with using said study as a reference.Folks, what did I tell you? Exactly as predicted! Ms. Day has once again IGNORED the webpage I posted time and again refuted that old lie about “100s of studies”. Allow me to be clear
There are no studies that conclude that there is a link between vaccines and autism
Just because you REFUSE to read the article I’ve posted dozens of times, does not mean you can keep reposting the same lies!
Doomsday:“But You CANNOT Say that there aren’t any Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism.”
Ubiquiton:Yes I can…..Post ONE study and I will explain to you what is wrong with using said study as a reference
Again, not talking about the VALIDITY of the studies. Just that they exist.
I’m saying apples and you’re saying oranges.Ubiquiton: Finally they often include Case reports which arguably isn’t a study, and certainly can’t be used to PROVE anything.
Walkefield’s was a “Case Report” and yet CDC and Pro-Vaxxers acknowledge that
as an “vaccine-autism linked study” but they INSIST there are NO other research papers linking
vaccines to autism when there ARE!CDC and ProVaxxers only acknowledge one study on autism-vaccine because most people heard about that study. But Fake News (70% funded by Pharmaceutical Company) has Suppressed News of all the other
studies, so CDC and ProVaxxers can lie that there aren’t any!Again, not discussing whether they are valid or not – just that they exist, lots of them!
Again, not discussing whether they are valid or not – just that they exist, lots of them!
Why should anyone care if there are “studies” which don’t legitimately show anything?
Doomsday: Again, not discussing whether they are valid or not – just that they exist, lots of them!
DaasYochid: Why should anyone care if there are “studies” which don’t legitimately show anything?
I didn’t say they were NOT valid. I’m just saying: it’s a LIE to say
“There are NO studies showing a link between Vaccines and Autism – Except for Wakefield’s”That is definitely NOT true – regardless of whether or not you think the studies are valid.
@Dooms I was wondering if vaccines are what you say they are and the drug companies paid off the whole world then why doesn’t the insurance companies who are worth hundreds of billions of dollars (Aetna was bought for 70 billion) fund a study to show the truth? Aren’t the vaccines and they’re side effects costing them a fortune to treat ? If drug companies make money then insurance companies lose money. Why can’t They hook up with some of your scientist to Protect themselves ?
Second I am curious as to whether you believe that vaccines stopped the deadly diseases decades ago never the less you believe that there are serious side effects or you don’t really believe vaccines had any real benefit and the whole thing is a scam from a-z
I didn’t say they were NOT valid.
That’s because you’re a liar, but in fact they’re not valid, so they don’t count.
Ubiquitin challenged you to pick any one of those 157 and he will show why they don’t in fact demonstrate a link. What are you afraid of? Being shown again to be a liar? You’ve shown that about 157 times, what’s one more?
MENO -“(With the exception of Health, but that’s a different story.)”
I’ll tell you why I’m Yelling. The Brisker Rov said “Ven Itz Doot Vey – Shright Men”.
I don’t care about the Anti-vaxxers – Let them all move to Guatamala.
But there are innocent kids that are affected by these anti-vaxxers.
Whose going to protest?!? I try to; why don’t YOU????This item is for those who have complete faith in Big Pharma to conduct safety tests for vaccines:
Merck accused of stonewalling in mumps vaccine antitrust lawsuit
Brendan Pierson(Reuters) – Two former Merck & Co Inc scientists accusing the drugmaker of falsifying tests of its exclusive mumps vaccine said in a court filing on Monday that Merck is refusing to respond to questions about the efficacy of the vaccine.
Attorneys at Constantine Cannon, who represent the scientists, asked U.S. Magistrate Judge Lynne Sitarski of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania to compel Merck to respond to their discovery request, which asks the company to give the efficacy of the vaccine as a percentage.
Instead of answering the question, the letter said, Merck has been consistently evasive, using “cut-and-paste” answers saying it cannot run a new clinical trial to determine the current efficacy, and providing only data from 50 years ago.
“Merck should not be permitted to raise as one of its principal defenses that its vaccine has a high efficacy, which is accurately represented on the product’s label, but then refuse to answer what it claims that efficacy actually is,” the letter said.
A representative of Merck could not immediately be reached for comment.
The two scientists, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, filed their whistleblower lawsuit in 2010 claiming Merck, the only company licensed by the Food and Drug Administration to sell a mumps vaccine in the United States, skewed tests of the vaccine by adding animal antibodies to blood samples.
As a result, they said, Merck was able to produce test results showing that the vaccine was 95 percent effective, even though more accurate tests would have shown a lower success rate. The plaintiffs said these false results kept competitors from trying to produce their own mumps vaccines, since they were unable to match the effectiveness Merck claimed.
In 2012, Alabama-based Chatom Primary Care and two individual doctors, all purchasers of the vaccine, filed a proposed antitrust class action based on the allegations in the whistleblower suit. The two suits are now being coordinated before U.S. District Judge C. Darnell Jones and Magistrate Judge Sitarski.
The case is United States ex rel Krahling et al v. Merck & Co Inc, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, No. 10-4374.
For whistleblowers: Gordon Schnell of Constantine Cannon
For Merck: Lisa Dykstra of Morgan Lewis & Bockius
Health: I’ll tell you why I’m Yelling. The Brisker Rov said “Ven Itz Doot Vey – Shright Men”.
I don’t care about the Anti-vaxxers – Let them all move to Guatamala.
But there are innocent kids that are affected by these anti-vaxxers.
Whose going to protest?!? I try to; why don’t YOU????I’d like to edit your statement as follows:
If the Brisker Rav was alive today he would recognize the truth and he would shout “why are the pro vaxxers harming innocent children”.
Decades ago the incidence of autism was 1 in 10,000, while today it has reached epidemic proportions of 1in 88 in females, and 1 in 54 in males.
That’s the real epidemic that should concern us, and not the measles outbreak which trivial compared to a child becoming autistic after vaccination, and becoming a lifelong burden to the family, plus the suffering involved.
Even the CDC has never denied the possibility that vaccinations can cause autism, but have claimed that there is yet no conclusive proof for this.Doomsday
“Again, not talking about the VALIDITY of the studies. Just that they exist.
I’m saying apples and you’re saying oranges.”I dont know what that means.
I flipped a coin and said “heads- vaccines cause autism, tails- they don’t ”
It landed on tails.There, now we have a study proving vaccines cause autism.
Do you agree with the above statement? I’m not saying its a valid study, just that it existsNote: I made sure to make this a “Only a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study” which I know is important to you .
“Walkefield’s was a “Case Report””
No it is a case sereis.” and yet CDC and Pro-Vaxxers acknowledge tha as an “vaccine-autism linked study””
Becasue at the time there were no better studies. A Case series certainly raises concerns, but once there is better data available then a case series is no longer as meaningful.for example if I describe an inserting case series of 13 patients who ate an apple a day and never went to a doctor. Certainly a interesting case series . Then we look back at 95,000 patient’s charts and we see that there is no difference between those who went ate apples and those who didn’t. It is no longer meaningful if you say look here is another guy who ate an apple a day and never got sick, (How do you not know this,? I thought you said you understood medical research, this is a very basic point.)
“but they INSIST there are NO other research papers linking vaccines to autism when there ARE!”
for example….
(oops, my heads/tails study proved vaccines DON’T cause autism)
Doomsday:“Again, not talking about the VALIDITY of the studies. Just that they exist.
I’m saying apples and you’re saying oranges.”Ubiquiton: I dont know what that means….I flipped a coin and said “heads- vaccines cause autism, tails- they don’t ” It landed on tails. There, now we have a study proving vaccines cause autism.
Are you a PHd Scientist? Is your study published?
I am saying there are 100+ Research studies by real SCIENTISTS and MEDICAL DOCTORS – some of which have been PUBLISHED in peer reviewed journals – showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism.Which doesn’t prove that the studies are valid.
The Studies paid by CDC which were done by Real Scientists and Published in Peer-Reviewed Journals
were DEBUNKED by other Scientists – and I have printed HOW the Fraud was committed on this Thread several times – and NO Provaxxer were able to REFUTE the Evidence of Vaccine Safety Studies FRAUD!!!You can claim there are NO VALID Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism.
But it is a LIE to say there are NO STUDIES showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism – except Wakefield’s.This is LIE of the CDC and you Pro-Vaxxers repeat the LIE – even after I show you again and again and again
that there are 100+ Research Studies showing a Link between Vaccines and Autism.And the reason that the CDC acknowledges Wakefield’s Study is that the New Media around the World reported Wakefield’s Study so Most People Know about it.
But Vaccine Industry, which buys 70% of News Industry Ads, makes sure that the Fake News Industry never reported ANY OTHER of the 100+ Research Studies showing link between Vaccines and Autism, in order to
enable CDC to LIE ” There are NO Studies showing Link between Vaccines and Autism – Except for Wakefield”Which is 100% SHEKER!!! And any Pro-Vaxxer who repeats that statement is spreading SHEKER and is
undermining any credibility of ProVaxxers!Yserbius: All @doomsday has to do is look on Google for an article called
ABOUT THOSE RESEARCH PAPERS SUPPORTING THE VACCINE/AUTISM LINK
To see that her allegation that there exist papers that support the idea that autism comes from vaccination is FALSE and an invention by a blogger.
Yserbius, YOUR Article “About those RESEARCH PAPERS supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link”
AGREES with Doomsday that there ARE Research Papers supporting a Link between Vaccines and Autism!Therefore, if you say there are NO Research Papers supporting a Link between Vaccines and Autism,
YOU are LYING – according to the ARTICLE that YOU are showing!Jay23: and the drug companies paid off the whole world
FACTS:
1. 70% of Media Advertising Income comes from Pharmaceutical Industry.
This means that Pharaceutical Industry controls what the NEWS MEDIA publishes or suppresses.2. Pharmaceutical Industry are the Biggest “DONORS” of Congress – giving MILLIONS to Congress every year.
This means Congress works for benefit of Pharmaceutical Industry – NOT for “We the People”. Same for State Governments who are paid MILLIONS to take away Personal/Religious Vaccine Exemptions from Parents!3. No Federal Agency is allowed to accept “GIFTS” from Company they are Regulating because that would
be a Bribe. BUT a special EXCEPTION for CDC allows CDC to accept Millions $$$ of “GIFTS” (Bribes) from
Pharmaceutical Industry. If the Law is that Gifts ARE Bribes, WHY was an Exception allowed for CDC????4. CDC IS a Pharmaceutical Company. CDC owns 50 Vaccine Patents!
5. CDC Officials are Hired by Pharmaceutical Company and Pharmaceutical Officials are Hired by CDC
“Dr. Julie Gerberding, former Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was named President of Merck & Co Inc’s Vaccine Division Reuters6. Medical JOURNAL Editors accepted Half a Million Dollars from Pharmaceutical Industry. The Medical Journal Editors then REFUSE to Publish Studies showing Vaccines are Harmful. AND they RETRACT Studies they already PEER-REVIEWED and PUBLISHED that show Vaccines Cause Harm!
Article: This Is The Sickening Amount Pharmaceutical Companies Pay Top Journal Editors
“Most shocking: medical journal editors are paid huge sums by pharmaceutical companies each year.
Worst on that list is the Journal of the American College of Cardiology (JACC), where19 of its editors received, on average, US$475,072 personally and another US$119,407 for ‘research’.7. Half of the INCOME of Medical Journals comes from Pharmaceutical Industry!
When a Study showing Vaccines are Safe is Published in a Medical Journal, the Vaccine Industry BUYS THOUSANDS of Article Reprints from the Medical Journals! HALF the Income of Medical Journals comes from selling PRO VACCINE Articles to Pharmaceutical Industry!8. Two Former Editors of Prestigous Medical Journals say Most Research Studies are FRAUDULENT!
Editor of The New England Journal of Medicine “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as editor of The New England Journal of Medicine”
Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet, wrote that “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness”
8. Research Scientists who make FAKE STUDIES showing “Vaccines are Safe” Are paid over a MILLION DOLLARS by Vaccine Industry for “speaking fees” or “consultation fees”
“In June 2009, an American senate investigation revealed that drug companies, including those that make drugs Dr. Biederman advocates for childhood bipolar disorder, had paid Biederman $1.6 Million in “consulting” and “speaking” fees between 2000 and 2007”.
Wait, wait, wait.
So if I were to start a blog, and on that blog write 1001 articles full of unscientific bogus studies claiming that autism was created by aliens from Jupiter, and then post here that there are over 1000 articles online linking autism to aliens, Doomsday wouldn’t have any problem with that?
Jay23: why doesn’t the insurance companies who are worth hundreds of billions of dollars (Aetna was bought for 70 billion) fund a study to show the truth? Aren’t the vaccines and they’re side effects costing them a fortune to treat ?
Excellent question! But the High Cost of Medical Care is the REASON people buy Insurance.
If majority of people were healthy and Medical Care was Affordable, nobody would buy Insurance.
Therefore More SICK People and More people on Prescription Medication = More People Buying Insurance.
In 2009, the increase of prescription drug use among children was nearly four times higher than in the overall population, making children the leading growth demographic for the drug industry. And CHILDREN
are SICKER then Adults – First Time in History! Thank You, Vaccine Industry and Government that FORCES
Vaccination on Children against the Will of the Parents!“One in Four Kids Take Drugs for Chronic Health Conditions
This was the finding by Medco Health Solutions’ latest drug trend study. Among adolescents aged 10 to 19, the figure jumps to 30 percent. …Children and adolescents should be, for the most part, at their health peak. Instead, this age group made up the leading growth category for the pharmaceutical industry last year, with increases nearly FOUR TIMES HIGHER than those seen in the rest of the population.”
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