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“Proof that VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM!”

You do realize that this is not a whole lot of proof. In fact, it is nothing that resembles proof.

“Denmark has low autism rate: Proof: Focus for Health.Org “Autism Rates across Developed World”
Denmark: 1:149 which is 1/3 of the US rate of 1:50”

One would wonder what you consider proof, let’s say you post something on a website, is that now considered proof?

First off, you got the website wrong, it is not health.org, you probably just copy pasted this from some radical website, so try to find the actual website on your own.

Second, the entire website is focused on an agenda, I will not let you wait that long to guess the agenda, its an anti-vaccine and also an anti-medical website.

Third, The source to this claim is from a study that compared autism rates between Denmark and Australia. This is a direct quote (you can find the study when you find the actual website that you posted).

“Overall ASD prevalence rates were higher in Denmark (68.5 per 10,000 children) compared with Western Australia (51.0 per 10,000 children)”

But the website that you (tried) quoting conveniently leave out this piece of information, guess why? Because Australia has a vaccination rate greater than 90% vs Denmark that only has a 75% vaccination rate.

Furthermore, they blame vaccines for the increases, yet where there is an increase that does not fit their theory then they blame the change of diagnostics or change to the names of the disorders.

This is called cherry picking hat bits of data to accept and also how to conveniently apply it.

In other words, making up your own results. This fits well for those that have an agenda to prove, not for those that want to follow evidence-based practices.

“Recently Vaccinated Children CAN SPREAD DISEASE”

-I thought that we settled that already, didnt you acknowledge that the advisory you quoted was outdated as an error and the data actually proves the opposite?

“even though their immunity probably wore off”
– This one of your made up facts?

“3% of the Vaccinated Children are NOT immune because the vaccines did not work on them But they
are allowed in school.”
– I am sure you heard of herd immunity by now.

“NOT because they present any real risk to others”
– I guess you are at liberty to make up your own facts, almost all of the current cases were transmitted by unvaccinated individuals, they are are to blame for the children that ended up in the hospital and ICU.

“It’s as if the Government FORCED everyone to Smoke Cigarettes in order to COVER UP that Smoking Causes”
– Too many people involved to keep that a secret, you also know that government people are there for a short while before they become civilians, even people that work in pharmaceutical entities move on, yet only fringe people like you know about this alleged conspiracy?
It is not like this started yesterday, this has been going on for a very long time.

Some Common Sense, OF COURSE USA has highest standard of living, cleaner environment then third world countries. I was comparing vaxxed and unvaxxed in Third World Countries. In those countries, the vaxxed children have families with higher income, higher education, more food, cleaner water, more access to health care then Unvaccinated Children IN THE SAME COUNTRY – not compared to USA!

And that is the reason for the Lower Mortality Rate of Vaccinated Children in THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES –
it’s NOT the vaccines but all the other factors. This is the reason that American CDC and American Pharmaceutical Companies pay for Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Studies in THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES, and NOT the USA!

“BUT I DID NOT CITE the anti-vax website 2Cents is attacking. I Cited: FocusForHealth.Org

Once again, 2Cents is caught Lying! 2Cents has ZERO Credibility!”

a. you did write health.org.
b. I should have realized the spaces should have been part of the website, sorry for not knowing that.
c. this is a discussion about facts, I am glad that you finally are willing to look beyond the poster and focus on the facts.

Doomsday:“Recently Vaccinated Children CAN SPREAD DISEASE”
2Cents: -I thought that we settled that already, didnt you acknowledge that the advisory you quoted was outdated as an error and the data actually proves the opposite?

Doomsday: Based on what STUDIES did the Vaccine Inserts and Hospital Guides CHANGE THEIR POLICY that
Recently Vaccinated Children are Risk to Immuno-Compromised????

If this was based on NO STUDIES then it is proof of Vaccine Industry Cover-Up !

2Cents: as of now, we have the following:

a. No change between children that have received vaccines and autism.
b. We do have children with older siblings that were diagnosed with autism that have a much higher rate of autism.

I already posted on Page 17 why the Sibling Study you cited was FRAUDULENT: See Below:

FRAUDULENT STUDY, Cited by 2cents, that claims to prove that MMR does NOT cause Autism:

This Study titled: “Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism” was FRAUDULENT and I will SHOW you WHY this Study is Fraudulent:

1. The Study found some Children who did not get MMR who have Autism. This is used to PROCLAIM:
“PROOF” that MMR does not cause Autism! THAT IS CRAZY. It is like saying:
“NON SMOKERS also get Cancer! PROOF THAT SMOKING DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER!

Ummm….NO!
All it proves is that Smoking is NOT the ONLY Cause of Cancer. And all this study proves is that MMR is not the ONLY Cause of Autism.
The Autistic Children got OTHER Vaccines and the OTHER Vaccines are the probable cause of their Autism!

2. The study did NOT say what OTHER Vaccines the Autistic Children got and OTHER Vaccines may have caused their Autism. Hiding what OTHER Vaccines (besides MMR) the Children got is Fraud!

3. Study is INVALID because of “Healthy User Bias”: In a REAL SCIENTIFIC study the “No MMR” group would be RANDOM because parents of Healthy “Normal” children are more likely to give children all vaccines including MMR while Parents who see SIGNS OF AUTISM in their child are more likely to STOP VACCINATING and NOT give their child the MMR Shot. Therefore, more Autistic children may be concentrated in the “No MMR Group” even if their Autism was caused by OTHER vaccines. This will HIDE the MMR-Vaccine Connection.

4. The Researchers in the Fraudulent Study ACKNOWLEDGE “Healthy User Bias” and then DELIBERATELY proclaim a Fraudulent “Conclusion” anyway! Quote from Researchers in the Fraudulent Study:

“this pattern is driven by selective parental decision making around MMR immunization, i.e., parents who notice social or communication delays in their children decide to forestall immunization. Because, as a group, children with recognized delays are likely to be at higher risk of ASD, such selectivity could result in a tendency for some higher-risk children to be “unexposed” (to the MMR). “ Gee, Do you think?!?!

5. This Study was done by “The Lewin Group” which receives Much $$$$ from Vaccine Industry for “Consultations”. This CONFLICT OF INTEREST was NOT mentioned in the Study which = FRAUD!

6. The Study FRAUDULENTLY calls children who did not get MMR “UNVACCINATED” even though the children may have gotten 23 OTHER Vaccines! Newspapers & Organizations repeated this LIE with headlines stating:

“No MMR-Autism Link in Large Study of Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Kids” Autism Speaks.org

LIE! The study compared Vaccinated Children (including MMR) with Vaccinated Children (excluding MMR)
It was NOT a vaxxed vs unvaxxed Study as the News Media and Organizations Proclaim – deliberately Mislead by the Fraudulent Study using the term “UNVACCINATED” to describe children who WERE Vaccinated!!!

7. FRAUDULENTLY saying the conclusion was based on 95,000 Children! The researchers looked through Insurance Records of 95,000 Children and found TWENTY-THREE Children who 1. were autistic 2. Had an older sibling who was autistic 3. Did not get MMR Vaccine (but got other vaccines). And then claimed that their PROOF was based on a Study of 95,000 Children when their “Proof” was really based on only 23 Children!
And the Fake News Media & Organizations repeated this LIE that the Proof was based on 95,000 Children.
MORE FRAUD!

And Again, The fact that a few VACCINATED Children who did NOT get the MMR have Autism does NOT prove that MMR does not cause Autism. It only Proves that MMR VACCINE is not the ONLY cause of Autism.
Just like Non-Smokers getting Cancer does NOT PROVE SMOKING DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER!

Pro Vaxxers, what do you say about the FRAUD committed by this Famous “MMR does not cause Autism” Study?

2Cents: I should have realized the spaces should have been part of the website, sorry for not knowing that.

Folks, I stated that my facts came from a website Focus for Health.Org.
2Cents MISREAD that to mean I am quoting from website: Health.Org
2Cents then finds an Anti-Vax/Anti-Medicine Website and decides THAT is the website I am quoting!
On Pg. 18 Post 1646665, 2Cents goes on a LONG diatribe against me, stating the entire website is focused on an agenda, I will not let you wait that long to guess the agenda, its an anti-vaccine and also an anti-medical website…..In other words, making up your own results
This entire attack on me is based on 2Cents MAKING UP that I quoted an Anti-Vax Website which I did Not.
And 2Cents accuses ME of “Making up my own results” when 2Cents MADE UP that I quoted from an
anti-vax Website!

But I do Thank 2Cents for admitting she made a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes, including Me.

This is interesting. Scientists in Italy studied one of the GSK vaccines – Infanrix Hexa, and found:

In Infanrix Hexa we found
chemical contamination from the manufacturing process or cross-contamination with other manufacturing lines;
chemical toxins;
bacterial peptide toxins;
insoluble and indigestible macromolecule that reacts to the protein assay, but cannot be recognized by any protein databases.

We have not found:
Protein antigens of diphtheria toxoids, tetanus, pertussis, hepatitis B, haemophylus influenzae B, Poliomyelitis 1-2-3;
Formaldehyde and glutaraldehyde, phenoxyethanol, antibiotic residues indicated in the composition;
…….
Coming back to the two basic principles that have been our topic on this analysis path, we reaffirm what we have said in the recent interview on the scientific journal Nature: we are inquiring the vaccines efficacy and safety and we can’t quite understand how it is possible to claim that this vaccine is even able to generate the 6 protective antibodies – reason why it is designed for – and furthermore to understand how this cluster made of 6 neurotoxic antigens bound together can be claimed as not toxic for newborns.

Infanrix Hexa hexavalent, as for the method we have commissioned, casts major doubts on both its effectiveness and on its safety…

Keej,

You’re making this way more complicated than it is.

The logic of this study is very straightforward:

If P, then Q.
If not Q, then not P.
Not Q, therefore not P

Clear?

So now let’s plug everything in:

If [MMR causes Autism], then [the autism ratio in Group A should be higher than that of Group B].
If [the autism ratio in Group A is not higher than that of Group B], then [MMR does not cause Autism].

[The autism ratio in Group A is not higher than that of Group B] therefore [MMR does not cause Autism].

As demonstrated above, it IS higher. The number calculate in the study is a false misleading number.

So you’re saying when the counted the number of children in the group and the number of those children who had autism, they counted wrong?

I’m talking about counting, 1,2,3, not calculations.

Dooms,

“MMR does Not Cause Autism. Which is like saying if Non-Smokers get Cancer, that is PROOF that Smoking
does NOT cause Cancer!”

– Incorrect, it is as if the smoking group and the non smoking group both would have had the same rate of cancer, since both groups have the same rate of autism this shows that MMR does not play a factor.

Meno,

So you’re saying when the counted the number of children in the group and the number of those children who had autism, they counted wrong?

Look at post #1646728, where you “nu’uh”ed me earlier…

That is the key here.

In order for this number to mean anything, you need to accept that ridiculous assertion.

“Group B – No Sibling ASD, No MMR (5 yrs)

7,735 children

68 Autistic (860 × .08)”

You mean 0.8 which is fractional to 0.9

you cannot cherry pick data, since you are looking at age 5, it would be interesting to note that children with just one dose had higher rates of ASD than those that had two vaccines.
Also, since we are still at age 5,
Fully vaccinated children had a rate of 0.5%
Unvaccinated at all: 0.7%

Quoted from the study.
“We also found no evidence that receipt of either 1 or 2 doses of MMR vaccination was associated with an increased risk of ASD among children who had older siblings with ASD. As the prevalence of diagnosed ASD increases, so does the number of children who have siblings diagnosed with ASD, a group of children who are particularly important as they were undervaccinated in our observations as well as in previous reports.”

“The prevalence of ASD among all index children in the study sample was 1.04%, comparable with the current estimate of ASD prevalence of 1.5% in the general US population.28 In addition, the younger siblings of children with ASD had a 6.9% risk of ASD, also consistent with published estimates ranging from 6.4% to 24.7%.”

“Conclusions
In this large sample of privately insured children with older siblings, receipt of the MMR vaccine was not associated with increased risk of ASD, regardless of whether older siblings had ASD. These findings indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and ASD even among children already at higher risk for ASD.”

doomsday-“The Autistic Children got OTHER Vaccines and the OTHER Vaccines are the probable cause of their Autism”

You have good company – there is Now a Tennesee rep -present-elect, that said Autism is caused by MMR!

It would actually be quite odd if a fourth pack a day didn’t have a negative affect.

Either way, it’s a poor analogy, because a fourth pack is more if the same, but vaccines are different from each other.

It would be like comparing smokers who also eat apples to smokers who don’t.

Doomsday -“That is why these Vaxxed vs Vaxxed studies are worthless! We need a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study”

How many times do I have to tell you – that JAMA study with 95,000 kids included vaxxed – totally unvaxxed?!? I know it’s hard to accept the TRUTH!
How much $ do you get pushing the alternative meds???

Daas Yochid It would be like comparing smokers who also eat apples to smokers who don’t.

And if the cancer rate of smokers who ate apples was the same as smokers who don’t eat apples, does that
prove if smoking causes cancer?
That is why the study was FRAUD but was used to make HEADLINES all over USA proclaiming that they
PROVED that MMR does not cause Autism, when they did not prove anything!

Why is this so complicated, if people who smoked 3 packs a day had the same cancer rate as those who smoked 4 packs a day that would prove that smoking a 4th pack does not increase the risk of cancer but obviously not that cancer isn’t caused by smoking ( that might be an unlikely reality to observe but technically possible)
Same here MMr does not cause autism , yes maybe other ones do but mmr not
And the whole thing started with mmr, so that is probably why they studied that and Wakefield claimed mmr did it
And anti vaxxers still claim that mmr causes Autism, so…

Is exposure to aluminium adjuvants associated with social impairments in mice? A pilot study
Author links open overlay panelSneha K.S.ShethYonglingLiChristopher A.Shaw

Abstract
Background

Our group has shown that significant correlations exist between rates of Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and total aluminum adjuvants given to children through vaccines in several Western countries. These correlations satisfied eight out of nine Hill criteria for causality. Experimental studies have demonstrated a range of behavioural abnormalities in young mice after postnatal exposure to aluminium. To build on our previous work, the current study will investigate the effect of aluminium adjuvants on social behaviour in mice. Anomalies in social interaction are a key characteristic of those with ASD.
Methods

Neonatal CD-1 mice pups were injected with either a total of 550 μg of aluminum hydroxide gel (experimental group) or saline (control) spread out during the first two weeks of postnatal life. The mice were then subjected to behavioural tests for social interest and social novelty at postnatal week 8, 17 and 29. p-Values were calculated using the Mann-Whitney and Kruskal Wallis tests.
Results

Aluminum injected mice showed diminished social interest compared to controls at week 8 (p = 0.016) and 17 (p = 0.012). They also demonstrated abnormal social novelty from controls at week 8 (p = 0.002) and week 29 (p = 0.042).
Conclusion

This is the first experimental study, to our knowledge, to demonstrate that aluminum adjuvants can impair social behaviour if applied in the early period of postnatal development. The study, however, is insufficient to make any assertive claims about the link between aluminium adjuvants and ASD in humans.
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Previous work has linked aluminum exposure to Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). Social interaction anomalies are a core symptom of ASD. To our knowledge, this was the first study on social behaviour in mice after early exposure to aluminum adjuvants. We found that aluminum impairs social interaction in mice in some instances.
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Aluminium in brain tissue in autism
Author links open overlay panelMatthewMoldaDorcasUmarbAndrewKingcChristopherExleya

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Autism spectrum disorder is a neurodevelopmental disorder of unknown aetiology. It is suggested to involve both genetic susceptibility and environmental factors including in the latter environmental toxins. Human exposure to the environmental toxin aluminium has been linked, if tentatively, to autism spectrum disorder. Herein we have used transversely heated graphite furnace atomic absorption spectrometry to measure, for the first time, the aluminium content of brain tissue from donors with a diagnosis of autism. We have also used an aluminium-selective fluor to identify aluminium in brain tissue using fluorescence microscopy. The aluminium content of brain tissue in autism was consistently high. The mean (standard deviation) aluminium content across all 5 individuals for each lobe were 3.82(5.42), 2.30(2.00), 2.79(4.05) and 3.82(5.17) μg/g dry wt. for the occipital, frontal, temporal and parietal lobes respectively. These are some of the highest values for aluminium in human brain tissue yet recorded and one has to question why, for example, the aluminium content of the occipital lobe of a 15 year old boy would be 8.74 (11.59) μg/g dry wt.? Aluminium-selective fluorescence microscopy was used to identify aluminium in brain tissue in 10 donors. While aluminium was imaged associated with neurones it appeared to be present intracellularly in microglia-like cells and other inflammatory non-neuronal cells in the meninges, vasculature, grey and white matter. The pre-eminence of intracellular aluminium associated with non-neuronal cells was a standout observation in autism brain tissue and may offer clues as to both the origin of the brain aluminium as well as a putative role in autism spectrum disorder.

I’m not trying to prove anything, except that these studies should cause everyone to be concerned about the safety of vaccines, and not play russian roulette with our children.

Do you admit that MMR does not cause autism in vaccinated children?

No because:
1. The study would have to be RANDOM who gets MMR and who does not. If Parents decide (as in this study) Healthy Normal children more likely to get MMR and children showing SIGNS OF AUTISM more likely NOT to get MMR. This “Healthy User Bias” HIDES the MMR-Autism Link.

2. NEW INFORMATION: The study was based on Insurance Claims Records. The study found that the MMR Rate was 4-14% LOWER then National Average. It is possible that the children got MMR at school or public health clinics and Insurance Co doesn’t know (no insurance claims). Therefore,
4-14% of the NO MMR Children could really have gotten the MMR! And it could be those MMR children got Autism but were counted as NO MMR Children with Autism!!! Study is WORTHLESS!

Study: the MMR immunization rates in our study were 4% to 14% lower than rates reported in the National Immunization Survey. Thus, children in our study who are considered unvaccinated may have received vaccines in settings such as schools or public health clinics in which claims were not submitted.

3. The only way to know 100% if MMR causes Autism is to compare children who got ONLY MMR (no other vaccines) with Children who are Unvaccinated (100%)

4. Many parents reported that their children had Adverse Event after MMR – high fever/seizures – and then REGRESSED into Autism. REGRESSED means they STOPPED talking, smiling, making eye-contact and STARTED rocking, head banging, hand-flapping.
MMR contains LIVE Measles Virus and it is known that Measles can cause ENCEPHALITIS (brain swelling) which can cause Permanent BRAIN DAMAGE.

More Proof of CDC and Scientific Community Fraud:

Why Does CDC REFUSE to do a VAXXED VS UNVAXXED STUDY???? (Retrospective – no ethical issues)

No Pro-Vaxxers on this thread were able to answer this question either.

It was SMOKER vs NO SMOKER Study that PROVED that Smoking causes Cancer – when for 40 years
the Tobacco Industry HIRED SCIENTISTS to DENY This!!!

1. The study would have to be RANDOM who gets MMR and who does not. If Parents decide (as in this study) Healthy Normal children more likely to get MMR and children showing SIGNS OF AUTISM more likely NOT to get MMR.

More likely to skip MMR than other vaccines? Don’t you hold all vaccines cause autism?

Meno,

“Ok then, let’s break this down further.

Correct or incorrect?”

Getting MMR is potentially significant to the underlying cause, and therefore that ratio is also significant

doomsday -“The MMR Study has Healthy User Bias, 4-14% of the No-MMR Children may have gotten the MMR, the PROOF was based on TWENTY-THREE Children – not 95,000 – and just because NO MMR Children get Autism does NOT mean that MMR does not cause Autism”

I already told you that s/o who has NO Education – can’t comment on research studies.

I’m curious, does all the Unvaxxed in the Frum community believe in your so-called research or you Alternative guys manipulated them to Not Vaxx and they REALLY have NO Clue?!?