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8) The follow-up study concluded that vaccination actually leads to lower mortality.

For some reason, bais hillel didn’t mention that.

Keej123,

Sorry for being late in the discussion.

Not sure what you are trying to uncover.

The actual study actually splices the data in all directions, showing no change with MMR vaccine.

If there are a group of people that have a different variable (such a genetics) which would result in the MMR vaccine together with variable have some sort of synergistic effect and cause the child to develop autism, if that were the case, the group receiving the MMR vaccine would have a higher percentage of cases of autism.

Since the variable is evenly spread across both groups, if it was the case like you suggested that the variable would cause the MMR shot to cause autism, the group receiving the MMR vaccine would have had a higher percentage of autism cases, as this is the only group that has the variable together with the MMR vaccine.

Now, this is all assuming that such a variable exists, however, this is just made up hypothetical stuff to satisfy an unsubstantiated agenda that the MMR vaccine plays a roll and is a cause of autism.

As of now, the data suggests that genetics are what is causing autism.
PubMed 24794370
PubMed 21844053

Parents with children that were diagnosed with Autism are less likely to vaccinate their other children vs other parents, yet the risk of their other children developing autism is significant.

“Total kids at risk is the entire group, not just the No-MMR kids.”

Explain please, what risk are you referring to, and why is the entire group exposed to this risk.

2cents,

Here are the numbers I calculated according to the study.

Group A – No Sibling ASD, Yes MMR (5 yrs)

86,063 children

792 Autistic (860 × .92)

1:108 Autism diagnosis ratio

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Group B – No Sibling ASD, No MMR (5 yrs)

7,735 children

68 Autistic (860 × .08)

1:113 Autism diagnosis ratio

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The rates of Autism are within range for both groups.

While this shows that the Autism rates for the Non-MMR group are equal, it does nothing to demonstrate the real risk ratio for the non-MMR group. If you’re to say that the autism rate is the same, I need to know what the real Autism rate is for Non-MMR.

In order to accurately calculate a risk ratio for the non-MMR group i need to calculate:

Everyone subject to the initial risk ÷ everyone who was diagnosed = risk ratio.

everyone subject to initial risk = everyone 95,000
everyone diagnosed = 68 from non-MMR

Regular non-MMR Autism affects everyone in the group, and therefore must be included when calculating the real ratio.

The study seems to be working as if the only ones who are subject to regular non-MMR autism are the Non-MMR group. The numbers used in Group B is not reflective of a real risk ratio, rendering them useless to calculate anything.

dividing non-MMR group by non-MMR autism = a rate not presenting the real risk at all.

so when taking the real risk ratio into consideration, this study is deceptive

Regular non-MMR Autism

What is that? Did you make it up?

What is a risk ratio? What risk are you referring to?

DaasYochid/2cents,

Something is causing Autism – I don’t know what. THAT is a risk for everyone. I labeled it “Regular Autism”. What would you like to call it?

“Something is causing Autism – I don’t know what. THAT is a risk for everyone. I labeled it “Regular Autism”. What would you like to call it?”

Bad genes.

2cents,

In short, why are the no-MMR group and Yes-MMR group producing Autism at an equal rate?

Because: while the rate of the yes-MMR group was calculated based on something that would reflect the factor that may have caused their Autism… which is getting the MMR, – which shows what the MMR could be causing inside that group…

The rate of the no-MMR group is based on a random criteria of not getting MMR, which doesn’t reflect how strong or weak their cause of Autism is operating.

So who cares?

Because you can’t claim that their Autism is operating at the same rate, unless you take their cause into consideration. If their cause is genetics, so at what rate is genetics operating in comparison to what MMR would be operating. So in essence, their cause IS operating at a much lower rate than MMR group. It just that this number was never calculated.

Peter Aaby and the others clearly support measles vaccination:

“In the years following the introduction of measles vaccination, mortality for children aged 6 to 35 months has significantly diminished. Though this is not a controlled study of vaccinated and unvaccinated children, much of the reduced mortality can apparently be attributed to the protective effect of measles vaccination.”

Measles vaccination and reduction in child mortality: A community study from Guinea-Bissau

Yes

Daas Yochid: n short, why are the no-MMR group and Yes-MMR group producing Autism at an equal rate?
Because MMR doesn’t cause autism.

No. Because of Healthy User Bias. The MMR Study itself admits that children who are healthy and normal are more likely to get fully vaccinated while children who show signs of Autism/Delays are more likely Not to get MMR. But these Non-MMR children got 23 other vaccines, starting with Hepatitis B on day of Birth and Vitamin K shot at birth (contains aluminum). The Healthy User Bias HIDES the MMR-Autism connection.
In a real Scientific Study it is RANDOMIZED which subjects get MMR and which do not. When parents select which children do not get MMR, it is the children who are showing signs of Autism who do not get MMR which invalidates the whole study!

In third world countries, vaccinated = lower mortality but NOT because of the vaccines. It is because children who have access to health care in Third World Countries have: 1. Higher Income Families 2. Better Food 3. Cleaner Water 4. Better Educated Parents.

Folks, WHY are these vaccine studies usually done in FOREIGN Countries and NOT USA – even when Funded by CDC or US Companies?
Because CDC and Vaccine Industry purposely selects countries that have very low autism rates (like Denmark) or Third World Countries where the unvaccinated children have a higher mortality rate due to malnutrition, dirty water, over-crowding etc.

In a real Scientific Study it is RANDOMIZED which subjects get MMR and which do not. When parents select which children do not get MMR, it is the children who are showing signs of Autism who do not get MMR

As mentioned numerous times, you can’t choose random children to not vaccinate. It’s unethical.

You can’t have it both ways. You demand retrospective studies, then complain about the inherent flaws in a retrospective study.

These are scientific studies made by professionals. I’m sure they control for these biases as best as possible, and, for example, exclude autistic children who didn’t get vaccinated because there were already signs of autism before they were to receive their immunization.

Folks, WHY are these vaccine studies usually done in FOREIGN Countries and NOT USA

Probably because there aren’t enough anti-vaxxers in the US who are willing to be part of such a study.

Meno: Folks, WHY are these vaccine studies usually done in FOREIGN Countries and NOT USA

Probably because there aren’t enough anti-vaxxers in the US who are willing to be part of such a study.

Wrong. They either pick countries with very low autism rates (like Denmark) or Third World Countries where unvaxxed babies are like to be suffering from malnutrition, dirty water, no sanitation, overcrowding and thus have a higher mortality rate then the vaxxed babies.

Doomsday,
Wrong. They either pick countries with very low autism rates (like Denmark) or Third World Countries where unvaxxed babies are like to be suffering from malnutrition, dirty water, no sanitation, overcrowding and thus have a higher mortality rate then the vaxxed babies.

Wrong. Whenever they start doing a study in the US, all the scientists involved mysteriously get eaten by hyenas.

(See? I can make up garbage too.)

Ignored are the hundreds of רבן בית של תינוקות who were summarily expelled from yeshivos
with no arrangements made to guarantee their chinuch.
Ignored are the hundreds of abused children who crying because they are made to feel like
they did something wrong when in fact their parents have made the decision that these children
cannot tolerate vaccines.
Ignored are the dozens of cases of serious shalom bayis issues where one spouse has seen
vaccine damage in some of their children, whilst the other spouse cannot bear to see the children
home, day after day.
Ignored are the cries from Jewish mothers who each have a horror story to relate as to why
they cannot vaccinate their children, yet they are being denied basic human rights that even children
who act most inappropriately are not treated that way.
Ignored are the feuds when relatives disinvite friends and family to simchos because they are
“untouchables”.
Ignored are kimpatorins who have many children home because they were hounded from
school and no siblings can offer to watch these “contaminated” children. Ignored are parents who
have left their jobs because they must now stay home to babysit their children.
Ignored is all civility.
Ignored is basic mentchlechkait.
All because “We believe in universal vaccination”.
Ignored.

Ignored are the hundreds of רבן בית של תינוקות who were summarily expelled from yeshivos
with no arrangements made to guarantee their chinuch.
Ignored are the hundreds of abused children who crying because they are made to feel like
they did something wrong when in fact their parents have made the decision that these children
cannot tolerate vaccines.
Ignored are the dozens of cases of serious shalom bayis issues where one spouse has seen
vaccine damage in some of their children, whilst the other spouse cannot bear to see the children
home, day after day.
Ignored are the cries from Jewish mothers who each have a horror story to relate as to why
they cannot vaccinate their children, yet they are being denied basic human rights that even children
who act most inappropriately are not treated that way.
Ignored are the feuds when relatives disinvite friends and family to simchos because they are
“untouchables”.
Ignored are kimpatorins who have many children home because they were hounded from
school and no siblings can offer to watch these “contaminated” children. Ignored are parents who
have left their jobs because they must now stay home to babysit their children.
Ignored is all civility.
Ignored is basic mentchlechkait.
All because “We believe in universal vaccination”.
Ignored.

The fault lays squarely at the feet of the stubborn parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.

Vaccinations are unsafe. It will be considered one one of the biggest scams in US history.
Be very careful before anyone tries to bully or manipulate you into medicating your child. It states on the FDA website “vaccination is medication”. Why are we medicating our healthy children? Do some research & open up your minds….

It states on the FDA website “vaccination is medication”. Why are we medicating our healthy children?

So that they don’t get sick.

Is that seriously the best you can come up with?

You made those numbers up.

Meno: Why are we medicating our healthy children? So that they don’t get sick.

Since CDC TRIPLED the Vaccine Schedule around 1990 we have the SICKEST Children in USA History!!!
1:6 children are learning disabled
1:6 children are allergic
1:13 children have asthma
1:15 children have ADHD
1:5 teens had episode of mental illness
1:8 children have IBS
1:50 children have autism
1:100 children have epilepsy
1:250 children have tourettes syndrome
1:400 children have diabetes
1:775 babies die of SIDS
1:1,000 children have Celiac Disease
1:5,560 children have CANCER
168 Deaths following vaccines reported to VAERS every year. (only 1-13% of serious adverse events reported)
ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA).

THIS is why CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed RETROSPECTIVE Study!
Because it will PROVE that Vaccines cause Autism, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Allergies, Epilepsy, Asthma, etc.

ProVaxxers, Explain why CDC refuses to do a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed RETROSPECTIVE Study???

Doomsday,
Wrong. They either pick countries with very low autism rates (like Denmark) or Third World Countries where unvaxxed babies are like to be suffering from malnutrition, dirty water, no sanitation, overcrowding and thus have a higher mortality rate then the vaxxed babies.

Wrong. Whenever they start doing a study in the US, all the scientists involved mysteriously get eaten by hyenas.

(See? I can make up garbage too.)

Yes, MENO makes up garbage (LIES) but I report the Facts. Here is my Proof:
Children who are vaccinated in third world countries have better educated parents, higher income, better food, cleaner water, less overcrowding, more access to medical care then Unvaccinated Children. THAT is the reason for lower mortality of Vaccinated Children in THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES – NOT the Vaccines.
Proof: BBC.COM “In developing countries, research shows a strong link between the education of mothers and immunisation of children against preventable diseases such as polio, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, measles and tuberculosis.
In Third World Countries, the only girls (Mothers) who are educated are from families with HIGHER Incomes which means Better Food, Cleaner Water, Less Overcrowding and Access to Medical Care – and THAT is why Vaccinated Children in Third World Countries have LOWER Mortality – NOT because of Vaccines!

Denmark has low autism rate: Proof: Focus for Health.Org “Autism Rates across Developed World”
Denmark: 1:149 which is 1/3 of the US rate of 1:50

Proof that Meno makes up Garbage/Lies but I report substantiated FACTS!

Doomsday: 1:50 Vaccinated Children get autism vs 1:3,333 UNVACCINATED Children.
Proof that VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM
Daas Yochid: You made those numbers up.

NO, I did NOT make up those numbers.
In 1970, only 1 child in 10,000 was diagnosed with autism. Psychology Today (a PROvax Magazine)
In 1970 only children with NON-VERBAL Autism were diagnosed as “Autistic”.
Today only 1/3 of Autistic Children are NON-VERBAL. (Source: Autism Speaks – PROVax Organization)
So the DSM ‘TRIPLED” the rate of Autism by Expanding the definition of Autism.
So, per TODAY’S Definition, the rate of Autism in 1970 was 1:3,333.

In the 1960s Children received only FOUR Vaccines: Smallpox, DPT, Polio and Measles and their
Autism Rate by TODAY’S Definition was 1:3,333
Today’s Children receive FOUR TIMES as many Vaccines as the 1960s and the Autism Rate is 1:50 !!!

There have been a few vaxxed vs unvaxxed studies and they show that Autism Rate isi MUCH higher in the
Vaxxed population! That is why CDC refuses to do Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed study, despite being asked to do so.

Proof that VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM!

Doomsday,
you stated “Here is my Proof: Children who are vaccinated in third world countries have better educated parents, higher income, better food, cleaner water, less overcrowding, more access to medical care then Unvaccinated Children. ”

I do not what world you are on but the United States have some of strictest environmental laws and regulations in the world and some of the best health care; please see how many people from other countries fly to the USA for medical care. Income, please look on line for the USA standard of living versus “developing counties” like Brazil