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  • #1637359
    doomsday
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    Proof 95% of SIDS caused by Vaccines – MUST READ!

    Dr. Scheibner…invented a computerized breathing monitor for babies which they called “Cotwatch”, short for ‘watching the cot’. In Australia, SIDS is also called Cot Death, because they call their cribs cots.

    …Many parents opted for monitoring their newborn babies’ breathing at home, and Scheibner and her husband collected feedback from all parents who used the monitor in this research.

    In a scientific study of SIDS, authored by Scheibner, episodes of apnea (cessation of breathing) and hypopnea (abnormally shallow breathing) were measured before and after DPT vaccinations. “Cotwatch” was used, and the computer printouts it generated were analyzed. The data clearly showed that vaccination caused an extraordinary increase in episodes where breathing either nearly ceased or stopped completely. These episodes continued for months following vaccinations.

    SIDS occurs among babies who have suffered a physical insult to their vulnerable bodies. Scheibner and Karlsson learned that the most common physical insult suffered by SIDS babies was routine vaccinations. Printouts from their monitor illuminated patterns that indicated critical days after vaccinations.

    Scheibner, concluded that “vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths.” They “soon established that the vaccines are killing babies, and Crib Deaths (SIDS) are 95% vaccine deaths

    “Our breathing monitor scientifically established the causal link between vaccines and sudden infant death,” said Dr. Scheibner.

    Once they had proven to themselves the causal link between vaccines and SIDS and had appropriately analyzed and documented their findings, Scheibner and Karlsson submitted their work to the medical community for peer review. Rather than attempt to duplicate their work or alter public health policy to protect infants, the majority of the medical community’s members chose to protect the interests of vaccine manufacturers.

    Vaccine advocates cannot debate Dr. Scheibner, nor can they defend their motives because the very scientific journals upon which they depend for support, The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.

    The bottom line to Dr. Scheibner’s scientifically flawless arguments is that those who are designing and implementing vaccine policy are doing so with the full knowledge that their policies are killing babies

    #1637370
    doomsday
    Participant

    I quoted from the Pediarix Insert, Not the MMR insert, 2scents!

    #1637374
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Pediarix Vaccine kills 1:4,000 Babies – Per Pediarix Vaccine Insert!
    Quote from Pediarix Insert:
    The rate of sids among all recipients of pediarix across the 14 trials was 0.25/1,000

    I cannot believe doomsday’s sheer chutzpah. 0.25 per 1,000 of babies who got Pediarix died; the normal rate of SIDS in the US over that period was 1.2 per 1,000. 1.2 over the course of the few months in which SIDS is common is very compatible with 0.25 over the course of 30 days out of those few months. So the Pediarix babies died at about the same rate as all babies do. Therefore none of them died because of the vaccine.


    1:4,000 is NOT 1:Million as CDC LIES! And that is just from ONE vaccine – but babies get MULTIPLE vaccines
    at one time so the rate is likely higher.

    1:4000 is indeed not 1:1M. Nobody ever said it was. Nobody ever suggested that measles is as deadly as all the various unknown risks that together make up the SIDS death rate. If we knew what those risks were, and could vaccinate against them we would. And you would be resisting and refusing and condemning those babies to death. But that is not “from one vaccine”. NONE of those deaths were linked to the vaccine in any way but that they happened within the next 30 days, and presumably no more than 1/30 of them happened within 24 hours of the vaccine being administered. These babies didn’t get just one vaccine, they got all the normal ones as well, so even if vaccines did have such an effect the rate wouldn’t be any higher from multiple vaccines.

    Basically you’re a deliberate liar, actively trying to persuade people to kill their children by neglect. Shame on you.

    #1637378
    Milhouse
    Participant

    In a scientific study of SIDS, authored by Scheibner

    Lol. How would she even know how to conduct a scientific study?

    #1637377
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Viera Scheibner is not a medical doctor, knows nothing at all about medicine, and her claims are ridiculous. There is no reason for anyone to debate her, any more than one would debate some bum off the street. Crib death has been happening since long before the first vaccine was ever invented, and over the last few decades, while vaccination rates keep rising dramatically, crib death rates keep falling (as one would expect, since we’re finding the causes of some deaths, and either preventing them or recording them as caused by whatever caused them, rather than the catch-all SIDS).

    #1637393
    doomsday
    Participant

    In a scientific study of SIDS, authored by Scheibner, episodes of apnea (cessation of breathing) and hypopnea (abnormally shallow breathing) were measured before and after DPT vaccinations. “Cotwatch” was used, and the computer printouts it generated were analyzed. The data clearly showed that vaccination caused an extraordinary increase in episodes where breathing either nearly ceased or stopped completely. These episodes continued for months following vaccinations.

    This shows that right AFTER DPT Shots there was a change in babies breathing patterns – that weren’t
    there BEFORE the vaccines! This is from a computer printout of a baby breathing monitor!

    #1637397
    doomsday
    Participant

    Basically you’re a deliberate liar, actively trying to persuade people to kill their children by ignoring all the evidence and blindly trusting known Corrupt Corporations and their Bribed Government Puppets.
    Shame on you, Millhouse

    #1637425
    doomsday
    Participant

    Viera Scheibner is a PHd professional researcher. And she has evidence generated from a computerized monitor showing CHANGE in breathing patterns right AFTER the DTP vaccine. The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.

    #1637429
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    As the study I posted earlier details the decline we see in sIDS yet more children receive vaccines than before, which demonstrates that SIDS have nothing to do with vaccines.

    #1637430
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “I quoted from the Pediarix Insert, Not the MMR insert, 2scents”.

    No one said otherwise, yet previously you misstated the MMR insert, you wrote something that was not true.

    You have a track record of either being very dumb or a simple fraud.

    No wonder you hold Wakefield in high regard.

    #1637455
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    As the study I posted earlier details the decline we see in sIDS yet more children receive vaccines than before, which demonstrates that SIDS have nothing to do with vaccines.

    Actually, since Doomsday believes correlation=causation, it proves that vaccines prevent crib death.

    #1637467
    Milhouse
    Participant

    Viera Scheibner is a PHd professional researcher.

    She is not a PhD, she’s a “doctor of natural science”. More importantly her degree is not in medicine or in anything even remotely connected to medicine. She knows rocks, not bodies. She would have no clue how to conduct a scientific study on a medical question.

    #1637487
    doomsday
    Participant

    2scents – find me where I quoted from an MMR insert – I NEVER did.

    I quoted from the Merck MANUAL which explains the causes of encephalitis as:

    “A virus directly infects the brain.
    A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.
    A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).”

    #1637484
    doomsday
    Participant

    Millhouse: . She would have no clue how to conduct a scientific study on a medical question.

    Are you claiming you know more then these Prestigious Medical Journals, Millhouse?
    The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.

    #1637501
    Milhouse
    Participant

    The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.

    No, they have not. But supposing they had, it wouldn’t change the fact that she is a joke, not qualified to do medical research.

    #1637507
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Dr. Scheibner was the winner of the ’97 “Bent Spoon Award”.

    #1637509
    doomsday
    Participant

    USA has one of the highest infant mortality of developed nations. US babies get twice as many
    vaccines as Sweden and Japan – and has nearly THREE Times the Infant Mortality Rate of Japan and Finland.
    Even Cuba has better Infant Mortality!

    So More Vaccines correlates with Sky High Infant Mortality!

    #1637525
    Milhouse
    Participant

    USA has one of the highest infant mortality of developed nations.

    Yes, it does. This is due primarily to: (1) Demographics. The USA’s demographics are very different from those of Europe, and this obviously affects all medical statistics; (2) More babies being born alive. In Europe it’s first of all more likely that a baby with serious problems will not be born in the first place, but also in many countries a baby that dies within hours of birth will be counted as stillborn.

    Even Cuba has better Infant Mortality!

    Garbage. Cuban medical statistics are just like all their other statistics. The Cuban “medical miracle” is achieved exactly the same way that Mussolini made the trains run on time, and that Hitler achieved his “economic miracle” in the mid-1930s. When you publish the statistics you can write whatever you like. The German economy did not really boom in the mid-’30s, the Italian trains did not really run on time, and Cuban medicine, which before Castro was among the best in the world, is now nothing like that.

    #1637550
    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Oh, and if you want to know a REAL important fact about Doomsey’s vaccine EXPERT, Scheibner, she published the world-famous “Cretaceous Foraminifera of the Indian Ocean,” published in a monograph entitled Synopsis of the DSDP in the Indian Ocean. Now THERE’S something she may be able to speak intelligibly about (but who would listen? :-):-):-). ). This is Doomsey’s #1 expert!! Are you still laughing? I sure am!

    #1637543
    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Hey guys! Doomsey is REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel. She is quoting Dr. Scheibner? So you know who Dr. Scheibner is?
    Although it does seem like she went to medical school, it was for ONLY ONE YEAR!, so she is not even close to being an M.D.!!!
    So , you know what she really is???
    Dr. Viera Scheibner did receive a doctorate – it was from the Department of Geology and Palaeontology. She is a micro-paleontologist! WHAT A JOKE!!! DOOMSEY CANT EVEN FIND ANY REAL DOCTORS TO BACK UP HER IDIOTIC COMMENTS!!! SHE HAS SUNK TO QUOTING MICROPALEONTOGISTS!!!
    ARE YOU LAUGHING AS LOUDLY AS I AM???? What idiocy!

    Please stop yelling.

    #1637571
    Vaccinator
    Participant

    Oh, and one more very important point from the bio of Doomsey’s #1 “vaccine specialist” – Dr. Scheibner: She received her GEOLOGY DEGREE (yep, that’s right – geology) from the University of Bratislava! Somehow, I don’t think that’s quite on the level of Harvard, Yale, Hopkins, Columbia, Penn – the places where the REAL vaccine experts trained! The anti-vaxxer cult will stoop to whatever it takes to make up science to support their ignorant positions!

    #1637579
    doomsday
    Participant

    Dr. Scheibner and her husband invented a baby breathing monitor “cotwatch” that RECORDS the babies breathing in the crib. It is known that SIDS is caused by the baby ceasing to breathe in its sleep.The computer recording show that AFTER the DTP shot, babies began experiencing apnea and shallow breathing; which was RECORDED by Cotwatch. This is PROOF that DTP causes SIDS!
    The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.

    Vaccinator & Millhouse, you think you are more qualified to verify Dr. Scheibner’s findings then the most respected Medical Journals in the country???

    #1637590
    doomsday
    Participant

    2scents: As the study I posted earlier details the decline we see in sIDS yet more children receive vaccines than before, which demonstrates that SIDS have nothing to do with vaccines.

    How CDC covered up that Vaccines Cause SIDS
    90% of SIDS occurs in first 6 months – when babies are vaccinated at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months.*
    To cover up that vaccines cause SIDS, in 1992 a “back to sleep” campaign was started. It was then announced that after the “back to sleep campaign” the number of SIDS deaths fell sharply. This is used by ProVaxxers as proof that vaccines did not cause SIDS.

    But this was CDC Trickery. THE NUMBER OF BABIES DYING IN THEIR SLEEP REMAINED THE SAME. But instead of labeling all these Deaths SIDS, 1/3 were labeled “unknown cause” and 1/3 were labeled
    Accidental Suffucation/Strangulation. But the number of babies dying in their sleep did NOT go down!
    This is how CDC covers up that Vaccines cause SIDS!!!

    *It is a “coincidence” that SIDS occurs at the same time as vaccinations. Just like it’s a “coincidence” that autism occurs after vaccination<sarcasm>

    #1637593
    truthishidden
    Participant

    2scents: SIDS deaths in the United States have been declining since the early 1990s for a variety of factors that include recommended changes in sleeping position and environment, clarification of the case definition, and diagnostic coding shifts [19–22].

    You need to read carefully to understand what is being written here. “clarification of the case definition, and diagnostic coding shifts” basically means they changed the name of SIDS, so of course the rate of SIDS went down.
    As I posted previously:
    In 1992, to address the unacceptable SIDS rate, the American Academy of Pediatrics initiated a ‘Back to Sleep’ campaign, convincing parents to place their infants supine, rather than prone, during sleep.
    From 1992 to 2001, the postneonatal SIDS rate dropped by an average annual rate of 8.6%. However, other causes of sudden unexpected infant death (SUID) increased.
    For example, the postneonatal mortality rate from ‘suffocation in bed’ (ICD-9 code E913.0) increased during this same period at an average annual rate of 11.2%.
    (In Australia, Mitchell et al. observed that when the SIDS rate decreased, deaths attributed to asphyxia increased. Overpeck et al. and others, reported similar observations.)
    This results in a non-significant decline in SIDS
    Human & Experimental Toxicology, 2011

    #1637604
    Milhouse
    Participant

    The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.

    No, they haven’t.

    #1637612
    doomsday
    Participant

    Millhouse 0.25 per 1,000 of babies who got Pediarix died; the normal rate of SIDS in the US over that period was 1.2 per 1,000. 1.2 over the course of the few months in which SIDS is common is very compatible with 0.25 over the course of 30 days out of those few months.

    Correct. 0.25 per 1,000 died of Pediarix ALONE. But US Babies get MULTIPLE vaccines at 2 months, 4 months,
    and 6 months so their SIDS rate was even higher then babies who only got Pediarix in the vaccine trials.
    And 90% of SIDS death “just happen” to occur during the 6 months when newborn babies are given multiple vaccines three times. What a Coincidence (Not!). Just like it is a “Coincidence” that Children get Autism right after their vaccinations (Not!).

    Millhouse: 1:4000 is indeed not 1:1M. Nobody ever said it was. Nobody ever suggested that measles is as deadly as all the various unknown risks that together make up the SIDS death rate.

    ProVaxxers claim that vaccines only cause 1 in a Million deaths. But the vaccine trials of ONE vaccine showed a death rate 1:4,000. That’s a lot more then 1:1 Million. And Babies don’t get one vaccine at a time but 7-8 vaccines at a time so the death rate from vaccine is even higher then 1:4,000!

    Millhouse: all the various unknown risks that together make up the SIDS death rate.

    CDC and Vaccine Industry know what is causing SIDS. It’s the Vaccines!
    Why was the term SIDS invented? all it means is “Cause Unknown”
    Prior to 1960s when Infant Vaccines became widespread, “crib death” as it was known was so RARE that it wasn’t even listed in infant mortality statistics!But when babies started dying after getting vaccines they couldn’t tell parents “we don’t know why your healthy baby died but it definitely wasn’t the Vaccine” Instead they told the parents that the baby died of “SIDS” – which made it sound like the baby had a defect.
    As an Anti-Vax doctor said, they should have named it “‘Baby Mysteriously Die of Anything but a Vaccine Injury Syndrome’ (BMDAVIS).”

    #1637615
    doomsday
    Participant

    Folks, the ProVaxxers can’t dispute the PROOF that Dr. Scheibner produced: Computer Recordings of babies developing Apnea (stopped breathing!) and shallow breathing AFTER getting DPT Vaccine. The ProVaxxers can’t dispute that studies published in the Most Prestigious Medical Journals all support Dr. Scheibner’s findings.

    So the Provaxxers resort to mocking Dr. Scheibner, which doesn’t prove anything, but they are desperate
    to cover up that Vaccines are very dangerous. HOW EVIL!!!

    #1637634
    Health
    Participant

    doomsday – I guess the reason you picked that SN is to show e/o that you’re right when it comes to vaccines. In TRUTH – you’re the biggest Liar & Manipulator on this subject!

    “This is PROOF that DTP causes SIDS!”

    I’m sure you got your info from Health___ Idaho.
    They bring a case where the Plaintiffs won – claiming the vax caused a death.
    They bring down this Clown researcher – Scheibner as proof.
    Actually – I went to the site and I found this comment:

    “I would encourage you to read the last page of this opinion “In this case, I have concluded that petitioners have presented sufficient evidence and testimony to entitle them to compensation in the hen it comes Vaccine Program. I have not concluded that vaccines present a substantial risk of SIDS. In fact, the evidence is to the contrary. “

    #1637722
    Meno
    Participant

    The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.

    Doomsday,

    You keep saying this vague sentence. Seems awfully fishy to me that you can’t be more specific.

    Unless you’re just lying again. That would make perfect sense.

    #1637730
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday I’m going to keep posting this comment until you respond. You’re moving the goalposts again! Now your big raya is some geologist who claimed to have done a study on SIDS. Why stick with one study when you have your big 157 studies to back you up?

    Studies on vaccines you might have missed.👨‍🔬💉🚫

    Remember, you have to Google the following:

    “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
    “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
    To remind everyone: @doomsday stated on another thread (over and over again) that there are many studies linking immunization to autism. First s/he claimed 24, but that number went up to 157 the next day. Instead of providing a source, s/he kept saying “Google it”. S/he is constantly calling me and others “liars” because we don’t believe him/her. So I Googled it and found a few blogs debunking the claim but s/he keeps pretending I didn’t.

    #1637749
    Some Common Sense
    Participant

    Are you going to admit you are wrong, Some Common Sense?

    No. You are not a doctor or have any medical expertise to judge this matter; I do not believe in an entire medical industry conspiracy between thousands of doctors, hospital, governmental entities, etc.

    Halachaly, you are incorrect; the gelodim and poskim vastly disagree with you.

    Have you asked your Rav if not vaccinating is a Masik BeRabbim, which has some very negative consequences as mention in Y”D – look it up. I have learned it with my Rav many years ago.

    Sof kol maasah, this, as G-d fearing Jews, is a matter that we follow Da’as Torah and Da’as Torah has spoken. If a few rebbiem say differently, what is your basis to al pi Torah not to follow the vast majority of poskim?

    If you respond with another medical study, you are answering my question so you don’t have an answer.

    I have been very polite and your statement is not.

    With great sadness for you, I do not plan to answer anymore on this topic as my points are falling on deaf ears. I feel I can answer on Yom Kippur for my decision to vaccinate my children, how can you justify your decision when you decision may cause others to be sick, permanently damaged or die?

    #1637783
    doomsday
    Participant

    Health: “I would encourage you to read the last page of this opinion “In this case, I have concluded that petitioners have presented sufficient evidence and testimony to entitle them to compensation in the hen it comes Vaccine Program. I have not concluded that vaccines present a substantial risk of SIDS. In fact, the evidence is to the contrary. “

    In Vaccine Court, the Parents are not suing the Vaccine Maker but the US Government is the Plaintiff, AND the US Government is also the Judge! How is that for UNBIASED? (Not!) So of course, the US Judge who wrote the opinion is saying even though the Parents of Dead Babies brought sufficient evidence to Prove that Vaccines caused their babies of deaths (preponderance of evidence), the US government still will not admit that Vaccines causes SIDS because “the evidence is to the contrary”.

    How can a Judge say the Parents brought sufficient proof that it is most likely their babies SIDS were caused by vaccines and in the same breath deny that vaccines present a substantial risk of SIDS??? Does anyone notice that the Judge is contradicting himself???

    The “evidence” the Judge is referring to that Vaccines don’t cause Healthy babies to die in their sleep (SIDS) are the FAKE studies that the CDC hires. And I have pointed out an example – the Danish Study – of the Fraud committed by the researcher to get a false conclusion.

    #1637835
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “I quoted from the Merck MANUAL which explains the causes of encephalitis as:”

    Not sure why you are implying that this was not what I was referring to. You misquoted as if the Merck manual (or insert) implies that the MMR vaccine is not safe, it actually implies just the opposite, in fact, it clearly states the opposite.
    I posted it and you just move on, as if nothing happened.

    As I stated earlier, you are either very dumb or just a fraud.

    #1637849
    doomsday
    Participant

    Some Common Sense: I feel I can answer on Yom Kippur for my decision to vaccinate my children

    All we Medical Freedomers want is the same RIGHT as you to make a Medical Decision for OUR children.
    SCS, do you support the right of PARENTS to make medical decisions for OUR children? Or do you support the Government ABOLISHING Parental Rights?

    SCS, even if TODAY you are ProVaccine, in the FUTURE you may change your mind. Don’t you want the
    FREEDOM to do that? There are 271 MORE Vaccines that are about to be unleashed. Do you want to be
    FORCED to inject 271 MORE vaccines into your children – or do you want the FREEDOM to make that decision?
    The Autism rate went from 1:10,000 to 1:166 to 1:88 to 1:50 – today. Maybe when the autism rate for vaccinated children go to 1:5 you will want to change your mind about vaccinating your children.
    But if you don’t oppose MANDATORY vaccines, you will lose that FREEDOM FOREVER!

    #1637873
    YW Moderator-25
    Moderator

    Doomsday,

    Please stop using bold type.

    Thank you.

    #1637880
    2scents
    Participant

    Truth,

    “In 1992, to address the unacceptable SIDS rate, the American Academy of Pediatrics initiated a ‘Back to Sleep’ campaign, convincing parents to place their infants supine, rather than prone, during sleep.
    From 1992 to 2001, the postneonatal SIDS rate dropped by an average annual rate of 8.6%. However, other causes of sudden unexpected infant death (SUID) increased.
    For example, the postneonatal mortality rate from ‘suffocation in bed’ (ICD-9 code E913.0) increased during this same period at an average annual rate of 11.2%.”

    Not sure if you understand the terms, postneonatal mortality includes SIDS, its basically any mortality that occurs between 28 days and 1 year of age.
    This includes anything, yet the trend of unexplained deaths in infants have dropped significantly, while the mortality rate in other groups has also dropped yet not as significant.

    There is evidence based on studies that sleeping in the prone position, the mother having an unhealthy lifestyle and better neonatal care have an effect on SIDS.

    #1637926
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday: A simple yes or no would suffice. Do you contend that there are 157 studies showing a link between vaccines and autism?

    • “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
    • “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
    #1637936
    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbisus: Now your big raya is some geologist who claimed to have done a study on SIDS. Why stick with one study when you have your big 157 studies to back you up?

    The 157 studies found a link between vaccines and AUTISM.
    Dr. Scheibner discovered PROOF that vaccines cause SIDS. The 157 studies are not about SIDS.
    Get it???

    #1637950
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “All we Medical Freedomers want is the same RIGHT as you to make a Medical Decision for OUR children.”

    doomsday, this has been asked a few times. Why don’t we have the right to keep those who are pro-disease away from us? Ok for argument’s sake lets say you have the right to endager your children. Why do yo uhave the right to endager others?

    Even if it doesn’t endanger others, if we think it does what right do yo uhave to force your beleifs upon us?

    “There are 271 MORE Vaccines that are about to be unleashed.”
    B”H yom yom! amazing !!!

    #1637956
    doomsday
    Participant

    Yserbius: Do you contend that there are 157 studies showing a link between vaccines and autism?
    “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
    “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”

    YES – there ARE 157 studies showing a link between vaccines and autism. Whether or not CDC agrees
    with those studies they DO exist and it is a LIE to say “There are NO studies showing a link between
    Vaccines and Autism except for Dr. Wakefield’s Study”
    as 2Scents and CDC keep Lying.
    NO, I have not had the time to to study those links. I am one person responding to 5 ProVaxxers.
    I will look at your links when I get a chance.

    #1637954
    LAmother
    Participant

    I dare anyone still pro vax and vax is only way to go, to just listen to Some rational arguments against them. Take an hour or two of your life. Look at the videos and back up proofs of anti vax experts. Open mindedly. Not saying in theory vax is wrong but the safety is highly questionable and often compromised. Big pharm believe it or not is still all about money. Partly the huge amount of documented commission that pharmaceutical companies pay to doctors per vial they inject PNLY IF they reach a certain high percentage of their patients otherwise they get zero. Partly the documented proof that for 20 cents more costs per vial the dlsaftey could be much higher (eg used to be dpt not dpat as much cheaper unless specifically requested and demanded by parent) .
    One slight example. A lady I know had a kid become vegetative after a vaccine. She then had 2 normal kids she didnt vaccine. Then in another kid she was convinced by doc to vaccine again. Once again became vegetative for life after..just sayin

    #1637983
    doomsday
    Participant

    Ubiquitin: Ok for argument’s sake lets say you have the right to endanger your children. Why do you have the right to endanger others?

    The thread debate has been whether vaccines are dangerous. Let’s now focus on your point –
    Are the UNVACCINATED a Danger to others?

    Do the VACCINATED SPREAD DISEASES like Measles?
    1. Per Vaccine Inserts, Newly VACCINATED children can shed (spread) the Disease for SIX WEEKS following Vaccination.
    2. The John Hopkins Patient Guide warns the Immuno-Compromised to avoid Newly VACCINATED
    Children. Please note: the Guide does NOT warn the Immuno-Compromised to avoid UNVACCINATED
    Children!
    Ubiquitin, Should Yeshivas/BY ban Newly VACCINATED Children for SIX WEEKS following Vaccination?
    And if not, please explain your reasoning WHY NOT?

    #1638000
    doomsday
    Participant

    2cents: From 1992 to 2001, the postneonatal SIDS rate dropped by an average annual rate of 8.6%. However, other causes of sudden unexpected infant death (SUID) increased.

    You just answered your own question on what caused the number of SIDS to drop – they started
    attributing Babies dying in their sleep to OTHER causes such as “UNKNOWN Cause”

    2cents, can you tell me the Difference between “SIDS” and “Unknown Cause”?
    They also started blaming babies dying in their sleep on “accidental suffocation / strangulation”

    When you add up SIDS + Unknown Causes (what’s difference?) + accidental suffocation / strangulation
    you will the number of HEALTHY Babies dying in their sleep BARELY CHANGED!
    Yet the CDC is using the “Proof” that SIDS dramatically declined (NO, IT DID NOT) as Proof that
    Vaccines do not cause SIDS – it’s sleeping on the stomach that causes SIDS. (No, it’s the Vaccines)
    But in truth the Number of Babies DYING in their Sleep Did NOT GO DOWN.

    If you google “SIDS or Vaccine Induced Death” you can see the charts that the Number of Babies
    Dying in their Sleep was basically the Same – even after the “Back to Sleep” Campaign!

    #1637995
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “One slight example. A lady I know had a kid become vegetative after a vaccine. She then had 2 normal kids she didnt vaccine. Then in another kid she was convinced by doc to vaccine again. Once again became vegetative for life after..just sayin”

    I have a very hard time believing that this story happened in the way you present it.

    #1637994
    doomsday
    Participant

    LA Mother: I dare anyone still pro vax and vax is only way to go, to just listen to Some rational arguments against them. Take an hour or two of your life. Look at the videos and back up proofs of anti vax experts.

    Bravo LA Mother. That is all I am trying to do – is prove that anti-vaxxers are not irrational crazies like the
    CDC lies about us. We are Parents who are very concerned about our children’s SAFETY and who cannot
    just ignore the EPIDEMIC of chronic illnesses in children that is raging around us, cannot just ignore the
    reports of thousands of parents that their children were 100% Normal and Unhealthy until they had a
    Vaccine Reaction and became Autistic or Dropped Dead!
    We are not sheep who just blindly obey The Government but people who take the TIME to Research
    the Safety of Vaccines. And we are vehemently opposed to the Government’s POWER GRAB to take
    away Parental Rights – which will lead to Bris Milah being abolished as well!

    #1638015
    2scents
    Participant

    Dooms,

    “When you add up SIDS + Unknown Causes (what’s difference?) + accidental suffocation / strangulation
    you will the number of HEALTHY Babies dying in their sleep BARELY CHANGED!”

    Once again, you are twisting the truth.

    Posted in Pediatrics.

    Postneonatal deaths in total of have declined 21.9% where SIDS have declined 38.9%.

    The increases in other areas (by a percent or so) are the reason why the overal postneonatal rate has not declined as much as the SIDS rate has declined.

    Unlike you posted, there was an overall decline in postneonatal mortality. There has not been any change in name, SIDS is still SIDS, just like before all mortality up until the first year of age goes under the postneonatal category.

    #1638034
    2scents
    Participant

    Truth,

    Can you please point to where you get these number?

    These increases that you posted do not account to the general decrease in infant mortality, even with the increase in other mortalities.

    Also, it is the providers that decide on the diagnosis, not the CDC or other government agency.

    #1638036
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @doomsday You just ignored my links, all my comments, and then used faulty logic to be motzei shem ra that I’m a liar. Do you know why myself and @2cents are saying there aren’t any studies backing up your assertions? Because there aren’t! The “157 studies” statement is a lie invented by a random blogger.

    If you want to know more, read the links I keep reposting. Otherwise, you’re just being dishonest with yourself and others by refusing to acknowledge that you may have accidentally ingested false information on the premise that it’s true.

    • “Vaccines and autism: A thorough review of the evidence” from the blog “The Logic of Science”
    • “About Those Research Papers Supporting the Vaccine/Autism Link” from the blog “Vaxopedia”
    #1638039
    doomsday
    Participant

    LA Mother: A lady I know had a kid become vegetative after a vaccine. She then had 2 normal kids she didnt vaccine. Then in another kid she was convinced by doc to vaccine again. Once again became vegetative for life after..just sayin”

    Syog L’chochma: I have a very hard time believing that this story happened in the way you present it.

    Actually it totally makes sense. Even CDC Studies acknowledge that Siblings of Autistic Children have a much greater risk of developing Autism. A gene called MTHFR which if damaged causes the children to have difficulty expelling toxins from the body. (Vaccines contain toxins). The women’s children probably all have
    this MTHFR Mutation. The first Child was vaccinated and became a vegetable R”L. The next two children probably also had the MTHFR Mutation but because the Mother did NOT VACCINATE – those children remained healthy. Then a doctor persuaded Mother to vaccinate her Fourth Child – and once again, another of her children became a vegetable after Vaccination, R”L.
    But Doctors are G-ds and we must blindly obey them, right Syog?

    #1638051
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    The fact that you seem to interchange autism and vegetative state shows your ignorance.

    I feel nothing but pity for you. There is no question that you are unable to deal with the autism of your family member (or perhaps a los of a different family member ch”v?) and are desperate to find a place to put blame and anger. I have never witnessed such intense denial from someone who is not psychotic except in someone protecting themselves from unbearable amounts of pain. And it only points to your level of pain and need to shield yourself from reality. NOBODY who is honest would ignore the facts like you do, or scream and shout insults at full volume at everyone with a differing opinion.

    I am truly sorry for your pain. I am truly sorry for the way you have chosen not to face it head on. I am truly sorry that you cannot have a genuine conversation with people on this topic. May Hashem bentch you with a yeshua.

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