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Here’s some great pretzel logic to go along with this whole debacle.
Rep. DeanPhillips 🇺🇸
@RepDeanPhillips
Jan 2
Members of Congress elected on the very same ballots to which they plan to object on Jan 6 should refuse to be sworn-in tomorrow, for if Trump’s defeat isn’t legitimate, how can their victories be legitimate?Anyone not convinced by the release of today’s tape that the attempted Steal is by Trump and not the Democrats is simply a supporter of undemocratic fascism. It should be no surprise that some Jews are supporting the fascist; Mussolini had a lot of support from Italy’s Jews.
Being that there were tens of thousands of illegal votes, I don’t see what is wrong with trump requesting the secretary of state of Georgia uncover them. Still befuddled how a thorough audit wasn’t yet conducted. More time is spent on every play of a football game, making sure everything is straight. And your label “fascism” describing trump, and comparing him to mussolini, is not just misplaced-its downright disgusting as it completely deligitimises true fascism. Furthermore, being that the overwhelming percentage of -orthodox- jews actually support trump, (ami poll, 85%), your disdain for all trump supporters can be linked to disdain for rov am yisroel. Perhaps, just perhaps, we support trump for what he has done, standing between the Liberal Lunatics who wanna take away gender assignment, and us. What he has done for israel. What he done pushing conservative policy. You can baselessly scream “RACIST, BIGOT…” but you can’t expect us to do the same.
tvp – your statement is contradictory. You make the following statements:
A – “there were tens of thousands of illegal votes”
B – “I don’t see what is wrong with trump requesting the secretary of state of Georgia uncover them”
If statement “A” is a known fact then statement “B” is unnecessary. If statement “B” is necessary then “A” cannot be known.
If you had evidence for “A” and therefore did not need the Secretary of State of Georgia to uncover this info, you could have gone to court with that info. Of course in the hour long call, Trump says they don’t have the info because Georgia refused to turn over to them information that is confidential under the law. Hence, the claim there are tens of thousands of illegal votes is not supported by any evidence (otherwise we get back to why did you not present that evidence in court… right, because it did not exist. Statements made on social media do not get cross-examined).
If you actually listened to Trump, his primary claim is that it is not possible he lost because he had big rallies and somebody told him that it is impossible he lost. He did repeat a bunch of debunked claims, including claims that were made by the Georgia hearings on the election that various analysis showed numerous votes being fraudulent, which one representative there actually went through some of the names and in each case showed that the person making the fraud claims did a sloppy job (at best, or was acting maliciously at worst).
Oh, as to what is wrong? Trump was pushing Raffensperger to find votes to make Trump the winner and was implying that not to do so would result in criminal charges and would result in political consequences (i.e. you will never win an election again). Sure sounds like conspiracy to me. Imagine Raffensperger, like lyin Ted Cruz (who called Trump a pathological liar who just lies and attacks people and said when the news does not reprint his lies he just doubles down on them and calls the news fake news) caved into Trump and decided to support him as a path to retaining power. He would be violating the law, as Raffensperger clearly expressed that they did not find issues and the President’s data is wrong. Seems a textbook charge of conspiracy. Just another thing to add to the list of charges Trump will face when he leaves office.
Georgia can you find 11,870 ballots? Does this sound familiar? Russia can you find 30,000 emails?
Russia ends up hacking Hillary’s computer system to find the emails.TVP
“I don’t see what is wrong with trump requesting the secretary of state of Georgia uncover them.” There wouldnt be, but that isnt what he said. Trump doesn’t care about illegal votes, that isnt what this is about at all.
What he says was “‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’”
If he said “look I suspect irregularities and granted we had dozens of cases and almost 2 months to find evidence of it, and I still cant find significant evidence but I really really think its there please make sure the vote is done right “. That would be another story, but that isnt what happened
RE -“Georgia can you find 11,870 ballots? Does this sound familiar? Russia can you find 30,000 emails?
Russia ends up hacking Hillary’s computer system to find the emails”What’s wrong with that?
It’s sad that the FBI & the DOJ didn’t do it!
I guess you Libs think that if a Lib does something Illegal – they shouldn’t be prosecuted or investigated, like the Clintons!
Trump was prosecuted for 3 years for something made up by Hillary – for revenge of losing the 2016 election.If Biden is put in as the President – we can Rename the Country – The United States of China!
The Government agencies held on to Hunter’s Laptop for a year.
Ya-know the one that says a few Bidens (including Joe), got paid by the CCP.
If they would have investigated it, No one would have voted for Joe Biden!
(Except the Libs that post here!)Ens ubiq
Firstly, the statistical irregularities have never, been addressed, additionally, the Amistad Project has identified tens of thousands of illegal votes in Georgia, underage voters, out-of-state voters, double voters…they’ve sent the information to the office of the sos-with no response whatsoever.
And you guys flipping out that trump is “threatening” raffensperger, what he’s saying is pretty simple. If he doesn’t a adequately address the concerns, he will be primaried, and he will lose. Because gop voters won’t stand for this nonsense.
that’s it, nothing wrong with that.All the issues have been addressed and debunked. If you have trouble with this still it is because you only believe lies.
As to Trump, he asked Raffensperger to break the law on his behalf with the implied threat that Trump would act to undermine a subsequent election if he does not. That is clearly wrong.
Please refer to my prior comment that shows that Trump clearly has no evidence of fraud, rather he just suspects fraud (because there is no way he could have lost…). So based on a crazy suspicion of fraud he is demanding Raffensperger overturn an election or otherwise, as Trump has implied, he will act to undermine any future election Raffensperger runs in.
I don’t know what world you live in, but it is definitely not one guided by the Torah or else you would actually care about truth.
ENS -“As to Trump, he asked Raffensperger to break the law on his behalf with the implied threat that Trump would act to undermine a subsequent election if he does not. That is clearly wrong.”
He asked him to follow the law, not to break it!
You Libs have everything backwards.
They say Raffensperger & Sperling were paid off Not to see any Fraud.“Please refer to my prior comment that shows that Trump clearly has no evidence of fraud, rather he just suspects fraud (because there is no way he could have lost…). So based on a crazy suspicion of fraud he is demanding Raffensperger overturn an election or otherwise, as Trump has implied, he will act to undermine any future election Raffensperger runs in.”
Stop Lying Mr. Lib!
From the “Citizen”:
“In the early hours of Nov. 5, a surge of some 20,000 mail-in votes suddenly appeared for Joe Biden, while approximately 1,000 votes for President Trump mysteriously disappeared from his own totals in the critical swing state, where Biden holds a razor-thin lead.
A poll watcher noticed the suspicious shift in votes while monitoring the interim election results on the Georgia secretary of state website.
“I concluded from looking at these results that this was an irregularity, since there was no obvious reason for President Trump’s totals to have decreased while former Vice President Biden’s totals increased dramatically,” Voter GA co-founder Garland Favorito swore in an affidavit he filed [last] week with the secretary of state’s office.
Favorito suspects a variety of factors, including that votes were “artificially inflated” for Biden while using the same Dominion Voting system used by Antrim County, Mich., which erroneously transferred 6,000 votes from Trump to Biden. Last year, Georgia contracted with Dominion to automate vote tabulations in all 159 of its counties.
“The software appears to have thrown votes from Trump to Biden here too,” he said in a RealClearInvestigations interview. “Or Biden ballots were manufactured.”
The large disparity of gains between the two candidates “was something I had never witnessed before in my years of election monitoring,” said Favorito, a career IT professional who has been a leading advocate for election integrity in the state over the past two decades. He says he is not a Republican or Trump supporter!”To ENS:
I don’t know what world you live in, but it is definitely not one guided by the Torah or else you would actually care about truth!health, we know already, truth is what you say is true, why did the Retrumpicans do well in the House and Senate? Where is the voter fraud? Even giving up Georgia, Biden still won.
This conversation is ridiculous, we can keep just calling each other liars, I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again-if all is clean, why have election officials pushed back so hard against a thorough audit? I know if it was the other way around, as human nature dictates, knowing that all is clean, I would LOVE to conduct a thorough audit, just to stick it to the other side…you don’t to have the benefit of the doubt when all you’ve been doing is covering up evidence.
RE -“why did the Retrumpicans do well in the House and Senate? Where is the voter fraud?”
I’ve posted this many times in the CR – the Stealers or the Fraudsters, don’t want to let the cat out of the bag – so they constrated on the 6 states that are in the middle!
They can’t make their steal obvious.“Even giving up Georgia, Biden still won.”
Like I said it was 6 states that they constrated their Fraud on and it was just for the president and VP.
If there is fraud, there fraud on either side and Trump’s win is also questionable. Either accept everything or accept nothing.
Right, because you said so.
“his primary claim is that it is not possible he lost because he had big rallies ”
President Walter Mondale’s rallies were much larger and even more enthusiastic than Trump’s.
“why have election officials pushed back so hard against a thorough audit?”
Nobody is pushing back. Georgia has already done a hand recount, a machine recount, and a signature audit. Wisconsin did a probably unconstitutional recount in two counties at the demand of Trump, who refused to pay for the rest of the state being recounted because the real purpose of all this is his grifting. He could have asked for a recount in Nevada but again that would have cost him money so none was requested. Trump is supposedly a billionaire but he doesn’t believe in his own cause enough to pay for recounts.
In all other states, Biden’s margin was so large as to make recounts illegal under state law. That is how big Biden’s win is. There is no provision in any state law for anything else to be done, not that Trump and his cult ever cared about the law (as evidenced by his phone call this past Saturday).
TVP – you are just lying and making stuff up. Where do you get this nonsense that a thorough audit was not completed? This election has been scrutinized more ways then any election in history and so far Trump has found nothing. I guess, numerous Judges (including ones put on the bench by Trump), his own AG, the Dept of Homeland Security, Republican Governors and Secretary of State, are all not to be believed because Trump, Rudy, Powell, Ellis, Health, and TVP say there is fraud. Show some worthy evidence that you actually get up in court and attest to under penalty of perjury, rather than making claims on social media.
As for Health… I just assume anything you post is simply alternative facts and not worthy of debate. Just face it, you are wrong.
Trump, clearly abused his power and engaged in several possible violations of the law with his phone call, trying to get Raffensperger to illegally change the result of the election. It is time to put this election behind us if you want Democracy.
“they constrated on the 6 states that are in the middle!”
Republicans won the majority of House of Representatives seats in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. They won both houses of the legislatures in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and the Michigan House of Representatives. (The Michigan Senate was not up for re-election this year.) Republicans also won two of three statewide elected offices in Pennsylvania that were up. Republicans also won both houses of the Arizona legislature, although Democrats did better on the federal level, winning 5 of 9 US House of Representatives seats and flipping the US Senate seat as Martha McSally lost for the second time in two years.
I guess if you think that all of those states had void elections, we should kick all the Republicans who won out of office. It would give the Democrats a nice comfortable majority in the US House of Representatives.
ENS -“I guess, numerous Judges (including ones put on the bench by Trump), his own AG, the Dept of Homeland Security, Republican Governors and Secretary of State, are all not to be believed because”
The Judges were too scared to read the Affidavits. Who threatened them? Soros or China or Both?!?
The AG was too lazy to investigate. The guys who did investigate was probably left over from Comey’s time.
Obviously you didn’t read my posts. Those few leaders, whether you call them Republicans or Democrats, were paid off by the Perps that orchestrated this Fraud!Oh Charlie, -“I guess if you think that all of those states had void elections, we should kick all he Republicans who won out of office. It would give the Democrats a nice comfortable majority in the US House of Representatives.”
Are you sure you have a PHD?
Because you can’t understand other posts!
No one said that there was general Fraud, just 6 states on the Presidential part of the Election.health, what you are saying makes no sense. There is fraud where it is convenient to you. Either tbere is fraud everywhere or there is no fraud.
Reb E – Just leave Health’s comments to stand on their own. He said Soros or China was threatening Judges and Republicans and Democrats are being paid off. Just nonsense. No idea where he comes up with this stuff, but definitely not based in reality.
Oh Jackk, RE -“health, what you are saying makes no sense. There is fraud where it is convenient to you. Either tbere is fraud everywhere or there is no fraud.
If there was fraud on those ballots then they need to be thrown out. End of story. The republican’s who won, do not get seated.
What everyone is saying is that it makes no sense to commit a partial fraud. If you are 100% positive that you are going to get away with it, why stop at the president and not change the other races?”The main thing was to get rid of Trump.
The Perps aren’t Stupid. The more Fraud commited – the more chance it will be detected!
So they limited to 6 States & the Presidential election.Health, people in America are innocent until proven guilty, so put up or shut up.
Health
“The more Fraud commited – the more chance it will be detected!
So they limited to 6 States & the Presidential election.”Biden didnt need to win all 6 he could lose Georgia, and one or 2 others (PA,; Mi; Wi + Nv, Mi + Nv, Ar +Nv) etc and still have won
so which is it did they cheat the bare minimum needed to win?
Or did they go for gold , and if so why not the Senate?Let me guess
They cheated just the right amount , any more would’ve been obvious;any less too risky. but these geniuses were able to pinpoint the exact sweet spot of cheatingOF course the only thing these geniuses didnt accoutn for was the incredible mind of Health who saw right through it!
Good job cracking the case!
Looking forward to the KRaken’s release or you admitting that Sydney Powell lied whichever comes first
ENS -“No idea where he comes up with this stuff, but definitely not based in reality”
What is reality to you?
Are you happy that the Libs have made our Country like the rest of the 3rd World?!?
With Fake Elections?!?
I’m sure you don’t know that a company that investigates Computers and voting testified to a Georgia Senate committee.
The only ones that reported this was the Epoch Times & NTD. It’s also on You Tube.
“Georgia election data indicates 24,658 votes were removed from President Donald Trump and another 12,173 votes were switched to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, data scientists testified on Wednesday during a state Senate hearing.”
The analysis was Not speculation, but based on Scientific Fact. (3 places including the SOS data.)
Of course, the Perps know this, but are Manipulating our Free society to be used against Us.
Things Like this occurs in the Free Country of China!Well, the big evening “Stop the Steal” rally is over. You can easily find some early video on Utube and the right wing websites. As the Trumpkopf would say “it was Huuuge”.
Several hundred attendees, 95 percent guys in their late 20s to early 40s dressed in camo jackets listening to one right wing nutcase initially leading a chant whose only intelligible lyrics were “XXX Antifah” followed by an even more bizarre “medical expert” claiming that Covid was “fake” but then touting his own magical drug that cured 100% of the (fake) cases he treated. (And no, it was different from Reb Zelko’s HCQ Coctail). He ended the spiel with an impassioned demand that all the ehrliche (maskless) Trumpkopfs shivering in front of the stage “hug someone you don’t know so we can make tonight a MASS SPREADER EVENT” like lhe ones they have at the White House. Sadly, most of these camo dressed guys looked to their left and right and seemed very uncomfortable with the directive to get “up close and personal” with a fellow Trumpkopf. As the music started playing, the headed off into the night excited about the BIG WILD EVENT tomorrow AM a few blocks away on the elipse where the TRUMPKOPF himself will be the major attraction.
Sadly, we will miss this type of SNL level comedy once BORING Joe moves in to the WH in about 3 weeks, after fumigation and disinfection are completed.Just continue to dig your own ditch, Health.
So now you go on some tirade against libs and elections… Just brilliant.
Georgia was controlled by the GOP and had a GOP Governor and Secretary of State, who even said he voted for Trump. Hard to understand who these libs are that you refer to.
It is just inconsistent logic and nonsensical claims that makes me suspect you are just trying to post divisive partisan comments and care nothing for truth or reality. Simply pathetic.
ENS-“Georgia was controlled by the GOP and had a GOP Governor and Secretary of State,”
How many times do I have to tell you that they were paid off.
Are you also paid off to try to convince the Jewish community that we should vote Democrat?
Or you just like B. Sanders – a Card Carrying Commy, that thinks Communism is the Solution to everything in this World?!?NPR has excellent coverage via YouTube. Reports of 1 civilian shot NG is on it’s way. The presidents brief taped speech was sad considering these terrorists support his view re the election and he just rubbed more salt in their wounds.
Mazel tov to the NEW SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, SEN. SCHUMER (excuse all caps) While the dirtbag in the WH was tweeting his lies and his vermin were rioting on Capital Hill, the vote count in Georgia was complete and with two new Democratic Senators, Schumer is now the Majority Leader. In two weeks, we will have Democratic President, Democratic House and Democratic Leadership.
Also, Kol Hakovod to VP Pence for belatedly finding his backbone and finally saying ITS OVER and pushing back on the insanity of the Trumpkopf and Crazy Rudy and saying enough is enough and allowing the elector verification process to move forward (albeit delayed by the required debate for the objections I suspect will be raised against verification for 6 or 7 states). Its never to late to do political tshuvah.
Thank you jackk, those historic caps really made the difference! Your honest objective reporting has pprompted CNN to come beg you to join them
. I’ll miss you.Oh Jackk, -“BANANA REPUBLIC.”
You won’t be so elated when you DemonCrats turn this Country into the 3rd world!
Well you’ll say – what’s wrong with that?
Nothing, if you don’t work, but if you do – you’ll be Poorer than Church Mice. (Due to Taxes)
This will be the end Democrat Party & maybe they won’t be running here from other Countries.
So at the End of the Day – all your Lib agendas will be Imploded!
Just look at World History.
How many great civilizations aren’t here anymore?
Eg. The Roman Empire and many more.Today is indeed historic. It is the first time since 1814 that an enemy has stormed the US Capitol, and this time the enemy was supported by the outgoing defeated President of the US.
This was Trump’s attempt at a March on Rome. Remember that a lot of Jews backed Mussolini in 1922, just as a lot of Jews are supporting Trump today.
Well this isn’t a president who has good follow through. It would be nice if he backed his words with actions.
“I have authorized the Federal Government to arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the U.S. with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act, or such other laws that may be pertinent…..” Trump tweeted .June 2020.
The other day, someone was so shocked that frum yidden can have such hate in their hearts. If you read her post she was seriously, genuinely shocked. Of course the hatred in the hearts of Trump supporters did not seem to trouble her. Naturally, her one comment here is to mock someone expressing outrage at a seditious insurrection and definitely no outrage at the dangerous situation the President set off.
Oh give it up. You don’t bother reading posts, you don’t have very good insight and you can’t hold back from a good shtuch. Find yourself a hobby.
Are my shtuch’s not as subtle as yours?
Where is your outrage at the seditious insurrection that took place today?
Still think Clinton is the most corrupt politician ever?
Still think Trump’s rhetoric does not matter?
Sources?
Really? You forget your own comments so quick.
You do realize that that’s the response a 9 year old gives when he can’t back up his comments.
The dirtbags who stormed the capitol may support the president, but in no way has the president, any republican, or any right wing media supported them and their actions. Quite the contrary, President Trump has said/tweeted repeatedly “NO VIOLENCE!” I am rather confused, and id appreciate if someone can explain it to me, why a video trump put out, telling everyone to go home peacefully, had him banned from social media. (i didnt get to see the video myself…)
Compare this to how when you had antifa/blm burning down private businesses, democrat leaders giving them a free pass, one even called it a “myth”…
As for America, R.I.P. 1776-2021
Not once in history, has a socialist government succeeded. Even today, people have to flee these types of countries…because in a socialist government, they give you everything, but expect you to give up your freedom in exchange….just scroll through history…
A silver lining-or perhaps a lot more than just a silver lining, is that i have been forced to realize how badly we need moshiach. At this rate, in the not-so-distant-future, not even will America will be able to provide a safe haven for those who flee from tyranny. And even if we dont end up there, i have seen how close we came to being in that position. Now Im pretty sure we need moshiach for a LOT more reasons, and a LOT more important reasons, but america’s death has done me pretty good in this regard….“Not once in history, has a socialist government succeeded.”
The UK and Israel did rather well under socialism for about three decades.
TVOP -“had him banned from social media”
It’s simple. Twitter is run by a Radical Leftist.
All year long the DemonCrats are Abusing Regular people Rights.
By forcing closing of Business, which some politician considered it Non-essential.
Btw, many Medical authorities say that doesn’t stop the Virus.But when their constitutes are out Rioting and Looting, they Defend them.
Because they have Constitutional Rights.
Because it’s always s/o else’s fault, not the Cop himself! (If he actually broke the law.)Charlie-Before abandoning it.
Oh btw 2 of the “pro-trump” scumbags who stormed the capitol have been identified as members from antifa…wonder how many more there were…“I am rather confused, and id appreciate if someone can explain it to me, why a video trump put out, telling everyone to go home peacefully, had him banned from social media. (i didnt get to see the video myself…)”
Happy to explain
The Presidnet has to respect the rule of law. It is ok to think you won and to call for recount, courtcase etc. The problem is Trump doesnt care about the rule of law. He cares about Trump . He said there was cheatign before the election took place. He did the same in 2016 he did the same during the primaries (see his tweet feb 3 2016)
As you know many people believe him, at this point he is unhinged turning against his own VP who just wants to follow the constitution (which clearly Trump hasnt glanced at) . Trump encouraged “marching on the capitol” he knew what would happen. It took him quite some time to tell “protesters to go home”
The senate is going to vote on the objection. The odds of the objection passing one house let alone both are zero. Do you think for a second Trump will say “I’m disappointed with the outcome, but Democracy has spoken” OF course not he will yell names and sow more discord.
As for the video, hint he ame video he encourages them “reitzes them uhn” saying they cheated their stealing the election etc .
Enough already
You lost, You got a recount , lost again. Got court cases lost all of those. At some point he’s got to shut upTwitter is right to silence him
Their only mistake is not having done so months ago WE would all be in a better place
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