Stealing the Afikomon

RG – I had no questions on what you thought you were doing. I was letting you know (without the detailed illustration of the obvious procedure) that your elevated self confidence rating is clouding your ability to see reality.

bottom line is that I can cite chapter and verse to back points I raise.

All the while distorting what it says, as clearly demonstrated in your bedikas chometz thread.

I actually think it was somewhat of a misunderstanding. All of Reb’s proofs were for the din of stolen matzah, not mitzvah habaah b’aveirah. It seems like he thought I was talking about stolen matzah specifically rather than the misuse of a certain concept. I don’t think his subsequent comments were made after seeing my reply; it seemed like things got posted in a weird order. It might have just been my computer.

Are we finally getting back to the original attention of this thread, which is to practice the holy Chabad minhag of criticizing the minhag of stealing matzah?

Mammele,

“I’m breaking my head over the possibility that Rebbetzin G. Is actually a reincarnation of Poppa Bar Abba. Thoughts?”

Nah. Popa did not mess with halacha when he trolled: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lying-on-ywn/#post-596054

AMD: Thanks for the link, and you’re probably right. The possibility still exists though that since he’s using a different screen name, he’s taken a different approach and his standards here have changed.

“Brilliant.”
Thank you.

Just wondering
Are you mafkir the food in your fridge? Otherwise every time your kid takes an apple they are stealing.
Or do we understand that there is a tacit understanding that the food there is available to all in the household so there is no problem
Same would apply to the matzah that you are well aware your kids are going to ”steal ”

rebbitzin
I like that vort. I think you should write a sefer .

You can say the same thing regarding lulav and shofar that carrying is the same as any other shabbos

Or
Dont you think that if someone comes home from shul and finds that his kids stole all the matza besides for the one he hid (just in case) and he sees that the one he hid is actually very small and is not sure if it is a kazayis. We should be scared that he might be so excited about the matza that he will run outside to the rovs house to find out if its the correct size. without realizing that he is carrying.

I don’t know about shiurim and I am usually very machir in kazeisim just to make sure I had the correct shiur and I’m sure most ppl are the same
But pesach if you only have a small matza how are you to know if it is a kazayis

What about knowing how much water to add to dilute the wine for the arba kosos assuming were talking about wine that doesn’t already have water in it from the company

Or knowing if the bubble or fold in your matza is a problem or not

I think there are much more dinim in matza and 4 kosos then in Lulav and shofar.

The Rav Tosfas Yom Tov asks the kashye why aren’t we gozer on laining on shabbos? The answer can be that there is no mitzva on each individual to lain on shabbos, but to make sure that laining is being done. So he could be reminded by others when he wants to carry. On Parshes Zachor there is a mitzva to lain, but it is a small amount compared to the megilla, so he won’t know how to lain is not a problem. Why would he carry matzah because he won’t know how much to eat, so eat more. Someone said kugel adds up to shabbos but it doesn’t , so it more.

By lainng the mitzva is not a mitzva on the individual but on the tzibur whereas by shofar everyone is responsible individually to listen so people are busy and will not remind him. This is the meaning of הכל חייבים.

This view above is the Behag’s view whose explanation is that once ten people are listening, there is no responsibiility on you because the chiyuv isv on the tzibur and not on the individual.

DId you look at the SA above where there are multiple views. Since the Tziitz Elieaer holds like this view and
Reb Moshe does not reveal his source plus most hold laining on shabbos is miderabonon, I am allowed to follow this view, specially from the Behag who was fron the gaonim. No one said Reb Moshe is wrong.

RG, Please try not to lecture me what kavod haTorah is. I tried to answer the Tosfas Yom Tov kashye. It happens to be that Rav Sternbuch Shlita in Moadim Uzmanim 166, says the same thing I said bringing a prove from the above SA. ברול שכוונתי It seems you enjoy arguing for the sake of it bringing you to be disturbed. I repeated what I learned in the Yeshiva. The SA gives multiple views so we say אלו ואלו דברי אלקים חיים.

“The SA gives multiple views so we say אלו ואלו דברי אלקים חיים.”

RGP seems to be saying that the way you presented it was more of a “my way or the highway” approach. This was originally about chiyuvs that are lifted on Shabbos to avoid carrying. You brought in laining as an example of a purely communal chiyuv. That proof only really works if everyone agrees to that interpretation, which even you admit they don’t. Then, everything got sidetracked and you said “I am allowed to follow this view, specially from the Behag who was fron the gaonim.” That was a mistake. You were in the middle of bringing a mashal for another debate, but you made it about the personal use of a shittah with that statement.

No matter which opinion you follow, I still don’t understand how this differentiates between laining and shofar.

Well, you know, it’s like us Lubavitchers say, there are 2 types of Jews: Lubavitchers, and people who don’t know they’re Lubavitch yet. We probably understand each other so well because we’re both hard core Lubavitchers, regardless of how you identify.

“Neville, go back to the Yeshiva and learn to understand the difference.”

In other words, you don’t know either. Well, I’m glad to see I’m not alone.