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By us Rabbonim, Gedolei Torah are held in the highest esteem, their word is the word of G-D.
I don’t know how far “Daas Torah” (I find it weird that a fundamental of faith is found nowhere in Shas) is supposed to extend, but I do know that it’s not this far. This is actual borderline Avodah Zarah. I have always wondered why R’ Shimon HaAmsuni never Darshened “Es” Lerabos Talmidei Chachamim. He was probably worried that some would take it as far as you did.
I love that Little Froggie from the Heilege Coffee Room gets to determine who has Daas Torah or not, though. How do you have a right to say who doesn’t have Daas Torah. I know there are Gedolim who would not agree with your definition. So who makes you the arbiter?
DY: It’s a Machlokes Acharonim when saying Eilu V’Eilu ends. But it clearly only goes to the point where a Sevara is necessarily correct. So it definitely goes up to Stimas HaShas (though I would venture that the statements that are called “Badusa/Barusa” might not be included because the Gemara tells us they’re objectively wrong). After that will be a a matter of debate, but it depends until when you’re allowed to hold someone is wrong. Either way, though, it’s only relevant to Torah statements.
Sam: It’s certainly not I that gets to determine. And definitely one that comes to say there is no daas tarah, has none!!
And before you get to decide what is avoda zara etc. kindly defer to those a bit greater than you!! (whoops, forgot, you don’t hold of it)
And FYI, we do pasken like R. AKIVA ?? ?’ ?’ ???? ?????.. as I wrote before HaShem is telling us to follow. And that in the Gemarah too. He is not telling us to do avodah zara. Or border line. Or whatever else you call it.
And the reason you claim “I find it weird that a fundamental of faith is found nowhere in Shas” (again, you only accept print, no calling on mesorah), is because EVERYONE was loyal to the Chachamim. No one questioned them as some do today. (Why is the Gemarah relating the incident of ??? ????? Only to prove this point).
If you don’t want or care to follow a mesorah, Chachamim, too bad for you. Following some “chachamim” that say not to follow Chachamim? Oh really?!?
We’ll stick with our cherished ???? ????, our leaders, Torah greats, who will guide us through the Galus with their light!!
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