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June 23, 2013 4:36 am at 4:36 am #609752dabeenMember
I believe that Snowden is a traitor. While the American people have a right to be informed about their goverments doings, some stuff must be kept secret. Imagine if every terrorist assasination, or sting operation would be made public. If now terrorists will be more wary about using the internet, emails, or phone lines then Snownden’s a traitor.
June 23, 2013 7:24 am at 7:24 am #962250Shopping613 ðŸŒParticipantWho the keck is Snowden?
June 23, 2013 7:54 am at 7:54 am #962251haifagirlParticipantHero. The people have a right to privacy, and if the government is violating that, the people need to know.
June 23, 2013 10:21 am at 10:21 am #962252[email protected]ParticipantHero.
What the government are doing is totally illegal and unconstitutional. A few years ago we were fight against the communists to give Russian people freedom of speech. In Russia the government listened in on telephone calls. In our fight to stop them we have become like them. I would be extremely surprised if any terrorist has been stopped through PRISM. This is going completely against the fourth amendment which was put in place to stop exactly this – the government becoming too powerful.
I can understand if they were only listening in on terrorists and had to receive a court order for each person they spy on. But spying on everyone is just an outrageous breach of our privacy.
June 23, 2013 11:27 am at 11:27 am #962253popa_bar_abbaParticipantComplicated. It depends. It depends what we decide on how bad it was.
Would you rather live in a country where they data mine phone calls for terrorism, or where the people working for the intelligence spill their secrets and run away to Hong Kong.
June 23, 2013 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #962254haifagirlParticipantWould you rather live in a country where they data mine phone calls for terrorism, or where the people working for the intelligence spill their secrets and run away to Hong Kong.
I’d rather live in a country that doesn’t date mine and therefore has no secrets for people to spill.
June 23, 2013 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #962255Josh31ParticipantTraitor
He appears to be on a grand tour of places where individuals are taught to lick the steel boots of their dictators.
His tongue will be getting quite a workout.
June 23, 2013 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #962256youngladyMemberHero
The government betrayed its people.
June 23, 2013 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #962257☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI’d rather live in a country that doesn’t date mine
Oh, you want your country all to yourself?
June 23, 2013 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #962258charliehallParticipantTraitor.
He has given (or sold) secrets to China. We just don’t know *exactly* what he gave them, and whether (or how much) he was paid.
June 23, 2013 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #962259haifagirlParticipantI’d rather live in a country that doesn’t date mine
Oh, you want your country all to yourself?
Sleep deprivation?
June 23, 2013 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #962260adam3ParticipantHes A HERO!!!
Anyone that Obama doesnt like is a HERO in my books.
June 23, 2013 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #962261oomisParticipantHe is both. We really do not know for a certainty what his motives were, but if he sold secrets to China, they cannot be too pure, can they? OTOH, he revealed things to us that we had a right know, at least in part.
Maybe people will think twice before posting their entire private lives on Facebook, Twitter, text messaging, etc. It was wrong for our enemies to be alerted to this truth about our country eavesdropping on EVERYONE, but I believe it violates our rights as ordained by the Constitution.
June 23, 2013 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #962262pinkdynamiteMembertraitor.
it doesnt matter what he released- he signed a document stating that he wouldnt tell the world any of the confidential stuff he found out about during the course of his employment. he lied and that labels him a traitor.
June 23, 2013 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #962263UtahMemberTraitor.
He reveled secrets that had the US one step up on would be terrorists. Now things are different because he opened his mouth.
June 23, 2013 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #962264ToiParticipantI really think it depends on whether this program is actually saving american lives. if they can prove that it has helped to whatever degree we decide to establish then the guys a jerk. if its regular govt. spying then hes just calling them out on it.
June 23, 2013 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #962265Veltz MeshugenerMemberI prefer to judge the act rather than the person, but it was a HEROIC act. Since 9/11 the government has cut huge chunks right out of the Constitution, and the only terrorism they’ve managed to prevent are plots that were facilitated by government operatives to bring down delusional losers who thought they were terrorists.
Think about an American citizen getting asylum in Russia or China after making the public aware of government surveillance, and that tells you all you need to know.
June 24, 2013 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #962266Traitor, indeed.
Governments need to keep secrets. In particular intelligence agencies, military, etc.
June 24, 2013 4:48 pm at 4:48 pm #9622672scentsParticipantI think that it really depends what he revealed, there might be more secrets he gave away to our enemies.
However, if all he revealed was that the US is spying on its own citizens, then I think he is a hero.
I think that each spying instance should require a warrant. the government should not be allowed to do whatever it wants if it is illegal.
All (as far as I know) Snowden did was to reveal that NSA is doing illegal stuff.
June 28, 2013 1:05 am at 1:05 am #962268cholent guyParticipantSnowmen is a criminal mastermind and is working with Elvis Presley and Tony Blair to undermine the USA. But seriously, the issue is irrelevant. Anybody who does not already suspect that the government captures our every waking moment(and even some non waking ones) is either naive or ignorant. Knowing the specifics doesn’t really do much.
June 28, 2013 2:17 am at 2:17 am #962269heretohelpMemberTraitor
June 28, 2013 3:07 am at 3:07 am #962270147ParticipantLeave Mr. Snowden alone. I hope he alludes the American Government for ever.
Even if the US Government were so evil as to offer Mr. Snowden a plea deal, it wouldn’t even be worth the paper is is written on nor the computer memory where the e-mail would be stored on, in light of Jonathan Pollard’s saga, where we already know that the American Government will break any & all plea deals.
June 28, 2013 3:16 am at 3:16 am #962271gefenParticipantI understand the thing about us having a right to our privacy. I get it. HOWEVER – we live in a crazy world now and I believe the government should do whatever they can to protect us. Hey – I have nothing to hide – I’m not planning on blowing up anyone, etc.. So why should I care if they have my phone and email records?
But now that the terrorists know about this, they will find another way to communicate – great! What do we do now????
June 28, 2013 3:33 am at 3:33 am #962272jewishfeminist02Member“Leave Mr. Snowden alone. I hope he alludes the American Government for ever.”
Yes, I too hope that Snowden continues to make reference to the American government.
haifagirl, where are you?
June 28, 2013 3:49 am at 3:49 am #962273cholent guyParticipantHello? Nobody here knew that the government already spies on us? And no, I do not wear a tin foil hat on my head. Nobody has ever heard of ECHELON?
June 28, 2013 4:52 am at 4:52 am #962274SL1Memberhero
June 28, 2013 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #962275Matan1Participantadam3-Hes A HERO!!!
Anyone that Obama doesnt like is a HERO in my books.”
So Osama Bin Laden was a hero of your’s?
How about Bashar al-Assad?
June 30, 2013 7:03 am at 7:03 am #962276This name is already takenParticipantSo Osama Bin Laden was a hero of your’s?
How about Bashar al-Assad?
He meant any “human” that Obama doesn’t like
June 30, 2013 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #962277JustHavingFunParticipantMr. Snowden is a Hero, whereas Obama is a Traitor.
June 30, 2013 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #962278nfgo3MemberNever mind whether Mr. Snowden is a hero or a traitor. Now that we know that our government is collecting information on our every move, what do we want to do about it? That is the important question, and it is a hard one. It will take several years for all the issues that this data collection raises to be addressed.
One interesting point to consider is this: An op-ed piece in the New York Times of June 30, 2013, by a German national, says that the experience of his country over the last 80 years – which starts with Hitler and includes 40+ years of the Stasi in eastern Germany – makes it clear that the massive data collection now being conducted in the US is a grave threat to personal liberty, and Germans think it is dangerously oppressive. If Germans think it’s dangerously oppressive, that’s probably a good indicator that this massive data collection is a threat to liberty in the US.
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