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Is it allowed?
Disclaimer: smoking kills. This question is about the halchic question of smoking on a taanis.
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On 9 AV – Only after chatzos, only in private, and only if necessary.
I dont know if its muttar but im pretty sure its stupid.
“Rabbi Belsky holds that it is Mutar to smoke on Tisha BeAv.” A quote from this article: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/99369/practical-halachos-for-tisha-bav-2.html
I refer you sushibagel to this very week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem”:- Hence each & every single puff inhaled 365 days a earlier is being a new “Mevatel Mitzva Asseh” of preserving your health, based on this Possuk in this week’s Parsha.
Assur things stay assur on a taanis.
ow silly of me. sushibagel to even entertain the madness of smoking and wasting your health & money.
Sushibagel
This must be very frustrating. I’m sorry.
The Mishnah Berurah (o.c. 555:8) writes about smoking on tisha b’av as follows:
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Basically, you are allowed to smoke in private and after chatzos on tisha b’av if you smoke frequently and it’ll be painful for you not to.
the mishna berura says that it is assur – ????:?
IMHO, mik5 wins the prize for the most accurate answer – he’s basically quoting the Mishna Brura (although I think the MB may have only said that bi’shas ha’dchak). However, a very strong argument can be made that that was only true in the days of the MB when smoking was not known to be dangerous; but today, it is almost certainly always assur.
sushibagel: Some topics tend to make people fly off the handle, and irrelevant rants are a common effect. As you’ve apparently learned the hard way.
why wouldnt you be allowed, your not swollaing anything. Its like breathing air Just a diffrent kind.
How about vaping?
There are two potential issues with smoking on tisha b’av more than other days:
1. Pleasure
2. Hesach hada’as
As far as “1.” goes, if the purpose of smoking is more to avoid pain (i.e. I “need” a cigarette), I think you would be hard-pressed to find a viable issur on t’b at any time.
As far as “2.” goes it’s a question of degrees. Playing a game like candy crush on tb or watching many videos is imho worse than smoking. The rules of hesach hadas are for more lenient after chatzos. Smoking socially is worse than smoking privately. Everyone is always encouraged to maximize their aveilus through whatever means. One can make the argumnet that if smoking will help you sleep less in the afternoon, and you will therefore go to eg the chofetz chaim videos instead of sleeping (or worse), I’d think it is ok. The fact that this year was nidcheh could make all of the issurim a little less severe (or not). Those are my thoughts on the issue.
Also, “after chatzos” could also mean “after kinos”. See aruch hashulchan.
Still nidcheh this year. #justsaying
cannot smoke ever especially NOT on tisha baav.
Asur 24/7.
Next question.
takahmamash – i agree 100%.
Based on verse in this week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od meNafshoseeichem” Hence smoking smoking is Ossur min haTorah all 365 days yearly:- Period!!
Both Takahmamash & sparkly have the correct outlook on this saga.
147 – thats what ive been saying the WHOLE TIME!!
who said that smoking is permitted at any time with today’s medical knowledge? Please do not quote rabbis from 10,20 or 30 years ago.
We know today that smoking is very harmful to your health.
I consider smokers to be stupid fools. There are many tools available to stop smoking.
mrjadler – i agree. there are people on here who will disagree with us.
If someone smokes on Tisha B’av, are they considered OTD?
Meno – you can answer that for yourself.
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The mishna brurah is suuuuper sharf about smoking on tisha bav. suuuuuuper.
If someone has such an addiction that the fast becomes so unbearable, it’s allowed b’tzina. On a practical side, it will make you thirsty and probably cause headrush.
Bump. Still nidcheh…
Bump. Not nidcheh.
Smoking in general:
I saw a psak of the Rabbanut Harashit in Israel concerning the topic of a Mamzer. A child was sick in hospital
and needed a blood transfusion. The father volonteered as a donor and after checking the results the doctors said that this could not be the father of this child. Now the question arises if this child is considered a Mamzer with all the consequences. The Rabbanut decided that medicine is a field which is developing all the time. What was considered the absolute truth 50 years ago was proved wrong and a new theory took its place and is now considered as a new absolute truth. If doctors say that the father cannot be parent of this child this represents todays sight of things. In the future a new theorie could be developed which could change the whole picture. We can therefore rely on the opinion of doctors ” lekula ” but not ”lechumra”. For this reason the child is not considered a Mamzer.
If doctors say smoking is detrimental to your health we cannot forbid smoking lehalacha because the proof of the danger of smoking cannot finally be decided.
All the above is only an idea which may be wrong, but I saw Tzadikim who were smoking and maybe this is an explanation for their doing so.We listen to the doctor even on Yom Kippur, if he says you must eat. So, if the doctors say it is dangerous to smoke, we should listen to them especially in public. See SA O”CH (618,1).
It’ll make you even more thirsty
Another Bump
Is it muttar to eat pork outside of a Sukkah?
I know that eating chazir is generally a no-no. But, aside of that, can I eat it on Tisha b’Av before or after chatzos?
Regarding the Misha Berura: During the time of the Chofetz Chaim, smoking usually meant a pipe. Not only did it contain less tar and nicotine than cigarettes, but they were also smoked far less often. Setting up a pipe takes time and energy so even heavy smokers back then had a lot less health problems than modern mild smokers.
Wow. My first time logging in in several years, and I find a thread I answered when I was a young warthog. Now I’m a slightly fatter, balder, grayer warthog
From AskTheRav (Chabad):
Halachically one may smoke on fast days. On Tisha Bโav one should not smoke. However if one is unfortunately addicted and it is very difficult for him to refrain, he may smoke after Chatzos and in privacy.
ืืฉื โื ืกืโ ืชืงื โื ืกโืง ื ืืโื ืืงืืฉืโืข ืงืื, ืื. ืืืขืืื ื ืืื ืืืงื ืืืืืจืื ืื ืฉืืืื ืฉื, ืืืื ืคืืกืงืื ืืชืืจื ืืฃ ืืืื ืชืฉืขื ืืื ืืื ืฉืงืฉื ืื โ ืกืืืืจ ืืขืืฅ. ืืขโืช ืกืโ ืชืงื ื. ืโื ืืืืืฉืืืฉ ืกืโ ืชืงืกื. ืืื ื ืืืื ืโื ืกืโ ืื. ืืจืื ืืืืืืจ ืืื ืืืืจ ืืืืกืฃ ืกืโ ืงืฆื ืืืืจืืื ืืืืโื ืโื ืกืโ ืื.
This is all aside for the general issues with smoking.
Most poskim hold that suicide is assur year-round, including on a taanis….perhaps R’ Belsky was unaware of the health risks.
“We know today that smoking is very harmful to your health.”
Since we’re supposed to afflict ourselves on fast days, doesn’t that knowledge support smoking, even for non-smokers?
“If doctors say smoking is detrimental to your health we cannot forbid smoking lehalacha because the proof of the danger of smoking cannot finally be decided….. I saw Tzadikim who were smoking and maybe this is an explanation for their doing so”””
Unless you are engaged in really bad trolling, your comments about the “dangers of smoking cannot be decided” are bizarre. Any surgeon who does lung surgery would be more than happy to show you the tissue of a niftar where the residue of years of cigarette smoking are not subject to question. While there are certain areas of mortality/morbidity where causality is arguably still an open issue, smoking is NOT one of them and there is absolute certainty about its dangers. I can only assume that the so-called “tzadikim you saw smoking were sadly addicted and unable to control themselves OR have not seen a doctor in several decades and don’t read any newspaper or expose themselves to any media and are oblivious to the fact they are slowly killing themselves (and potentially those around them if they smoke at home).
The story goes that when young R Kamenetsky lit a cigarette in doctor’s office, the latter informed him that recent medical thought is that it is dangerous for lungs. Rav suggested the shomer pesaim defense. Then the doctor mentioned that it also dangerous for memory. Rav replied: I can not afford forgetting the Torah I learned, extinguished the cigarette and never smoke again.
AAQ. Thanks for sharing. Wonderful story.
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