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I am sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee right now. (I sometimes come and sit here all day drinking free refills.)
While on line, I asked myself why I was willing to drink it. I noticed that the coffee drips into large metal boxes, which probably are washed in a dish washer. If it is done without soap and with tarfus, the keilim should be treif, I imagine.
I decided that stam keilim are ainum bnei yoman, which is a sfeik sfeika, since the keilim may not have been exposed to tarfus in the last 24 hours, and even if they were, it may have been something which is pogem b’ein.
I further decided that bacon sandwiches are definitely pogem coffee. I further decided that I was drinking it, since I always have, and they didn’t say you can’t.
what kind of respond do you, popa, want to hear?
who said somebody is drinking from there? maybe your the only one there? jk lol!
I think consuming that much coffee is pogem one’s brain.
By the way, with or without the hooves?
we have a klal that goyim cant be trusted for aidus. therefore how can u rely on them that something they say is chazaar is really chazaar. Furthermore there is no hechsher on macdonalds saying that it is reaslly treif. i was mitxtareif these two svaaras and if you also realize that all live pigs are anoy ben yomo and are cold, there is no problem to eat in macdonalds because after all lo nitnah hatorah limalachay hashurays.
POPA ARE YOU A POSEK?????????
did u get it fromm cc??
How come whenever you ask an innocent, non-l’maysa question to some people the answer (both on and offline) becomes ‘ARE YOU A POSEK?!?!?!’ My answer to this would be ‘No. No I’m not. I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation. Is this new to you?’
I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation. Is this new to you?
In the coffee room? Unfortunately, too rare.
what is going on here ? it seems that the coffee went to popa’s head! all silly talk and frivolous remarks…on a serious note- those huge metal pots of coffee are to big to put into any dishwasher.they are (probably) scoured by hand and thouroughly washed separately. I am also pretty sure that detergent is always used- for sanitary purposes. Plus= what “keilim’ are there that may be treif- i said once before that the food is brought in from a central commissary and is offered on disposable plates. I am still waiting for the CrC paper….
Good Rabbi: Why do jou write CrC? Its cRc
you’re making too many assumptions rabbiofberlin. the cRc didn’t make this announcement to stir up trouble. there is a genuine concern here. until that is clarified, best to stay far away from starbucks if you value kashrus.
Grand Rabbi PBA
There’s one sha’ala you’ve not addressed. Is one allowed to drink coffee outside CR. Something like ??? ?????.
Counselor, kindly refer to par. 1 – ‘I am sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee right now’
Yoreh or yadin? Which one?
Seems that I should start being makpid to drink starbucks whenever possible.
All kidding aside, is there a problem with the coffee they serve on planes?
Is plastic bole’a? Even so, I see them washing things by hand all the time, a mesuring cup used just for water is bistomah ok…
I am still waiting for the CrC paper….
apparently youre not waiting for it before arguing with it
I know a problem that I’ve been told about Starbucks, that a lot of people are Nichshol in. They sell this cookie and people found out that it’s kosher. The store even hangs a Tzeteil (paper) about the hechsher. So a lot of frum people eat it. So what’s the problem? It’s treif -the cookie- because what they do is heat up their cookies beforehand to make them crisp in the treif oven and rewrap them. Noone asked except for one person I know. So everybody eats the cookies because they are “kosher”!
I wouldn’t underestimate a chusuver hechsher like cRc. You don’t know what goes on behind the scenes.
Health:
As in anyplace a person must be careful with what he is eating. Because some things in the store are kosher does not mean everything is. Our discussion is about the COFFEE not any other items that Starbucks sell.
Next. About their coffee, as was said before, there was a hechsher which meant that the things that are kosher, are kosher.
Shmeul294: Starbucks coffee in their coffee shops does NOT have a hechsher.
Popa:
Personally, I don’t know why people want to drink at Starbucks so much to make sucha big deal out of this. I suggest DUNKIN DONUTS instead. (don’t worry, they don’t serve hooves there)
Shmuel294- I don’t know what you’re talking about. No starbucks that I know of has a hechsher. The store put up a sign advertising that the cookies that they sell there are kosher. Well they might have been kosher until starbucks got a hold of them. Do you work in a kashrus org.? How do you know their coffee is kosher? If the cRc says there might be a problem, before you or anyone Machs Avek at least contact them to see what they have to say. Sitting around and Maching Avek is easy thing to do, esp. if you think you’re the Grose Talmid Chochom. But watch out, if there is a problem, you can’t claim shogeg anymore!
It is freaking coffee
water dumped on top of ground beans!!!… utensils cleaned with nonkosher.
And in your previous comment, you mistakenly claimed it had a hechsher.
The cRc DID give a reason. See their website.
I have to echo shmuel294.i also looked everywhere on the cRc website and there is not a whit about Starbucks coffee. They do cite that only cans and bottles (except strawberries) is under their actual supervision but they say nothing about the coffees consumed on the premises.
popa- if i’d be a dayan ,i’d say that you are guilty of ‘geneivas daas”. Seriously, though, you must have a very boring life to spend your whole day in Starbucks…..
Speaking about boring lives… Do u realize that most of us are on this website for most of the day arguing based on assumptions people make.
http://www.crcweb.org/starbucks_list.php
Chicago Rabbinical Council
Guide to Starbucks Beverages
February 2011
Starbucks shops serve many kosher and non-kosher items, with the most
serious non-kosher item being hot meat sandwiches. The standard daily
clean up at Starbucks includes a hot wash of all utensils and some
parts of that washing are done without soap. This clean up process
significantly challenges the kosher status of the otherwise kosher
products and each product must be judged by a competent halachic
authority. The cRc will be printing a detailed review and analysis of
this topic in the upcoming edition of The Journal of Halacha and
Contemporary Society, and that article will subsequently be available
on the cRc website.
The good news is that there are many Starbucks locations that do not
serve hot meat sandwiches. These are generally the Starbucks kiosks
that can be found in airports, department stores, supermarkets, etc.,
and at these locations the cRc is comfortable recommending any drink
made from kosher ingredients (even though some others use ingredients
that may not be kosher).
This list is accurate at this time for stores in the United States,
and does not address toppings and other items added to beverages.
Since the information on this list is subject to change, this list
should not be used after June 30, 2011.
Note: I just tried this link and it does not work, but it worked earlier. Strange. This link from Google is also broken.
Was the Starbucks on a street corner?
If yes, then sitting their for 10 and a half hours will qualify you as the “yoshvei keranos” (those who sit at street corners as opposed to the Beit Medrash) mentioned at every Siyum.
To avoid this designation go to a Starbucks that is not at a street corner, or stand up at least once every 18 minutes.
This year I get to do Purim Torah for 2 months!!!
popa,
You must work for the cRc.
Popa: Next time you want to go drink pig hooves, can you come to the Starbucks near brooklyn college? We can inspect the kitchen together and issue a hashgocha in the name of vaad harabanim d’chelm.
if it wasn’t a problem till now
Who says it wasn’t a problem until now; maybe we just didn’t know?
Shmuel, you must spend more time in Starbucks than popa if you’re so worked up about this! 🙂
Who said there’s no problem with Indian hair shaitels? Besides, nobody’s advocating burning down Starbucks, just holding off until the issue is studied and a final determination is made.
popa- were you really there all those hrs.? what in the world were you doing there???
daas yachid:
as i remember it, lmaskana, they came out that there really was no problem with indian hair sheitels. they might not be recomendable, but not a problem. also, if u look at the pervious disscussion, the one that got closed before popa opened it again, a post by SHILSHI said and i quote “how can anyone drink from starbucks even now, knowing what we now know. even if more information if forthcoming, we already know there is a major problem. i dont see how its possible to drink there” and this is before the cRc has made their final desicion.
So Popa -Are you still going to drink the coffee or wait for more clarification?
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