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October 24, 2014 2:19 am at 2:19 am #614004screwdriverdelightParticipant
songs in hallel should be fast not slow. Or slow, but happy slow. No acheinus or anything. And the tzibbur should not sing hodu lashem…, along with the sha”tz because everyone is supposed to hear him.
Sing during Mimkomcha should be discontinued. Keil Adon is all right (but someone told me there’s a minhag not to sing before shema). Singing during random parts of davening is random, and if you do so make sure the tune fits the words.
Singing during sh’moneh esrei, when done derech laitzanus is an avon p’lili, and even when done seriously is frowned upon.
I wish I were the gabbai.
October 24, 2014 6:04 am at 6:04 am #1036843catch yourselfParticipantAny gabbai who insists on people davening exactly according to halacha will end up being the chazzan about 85% percent of the time, and gritting his teeth for (almost all of) the other 15%…
Perhaps you can improve the situation somewhat by getting people to learn the halachos of tefillah. I think you are best off focusing on the most important issues (such as kavod hatefillah, amein yesoma/chatufa and other cut and dried halachic issues) before even mentioning things like fast vs slow songs (which, after all, is a matter of taste – us pure Litvaks prefer to sing Hallel to the tune of Eicha :).
October 24, 2014 9:14 am at 9:14 am #1036844takahmamashParticipantsdd, why don’t you open your own shule and you can set the rules however you want? I think if a gabbai came up to me and started giving me a long list of rules, and “do this, don’t do that,” I’d tell him to forget it – do it yourself.
October 24, 2014 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #1036845ChortkovParticipantPlease explain why you said any of the things you said?
In the new Tshuvos R’ Akiva Eiger (thats where I saw it!), they bring a list of ?????? that he paskenned for his shul about various different things; it is extremely interesting. He brings that that one shouldn’t sing anything before Shmoina Esreh.
October 24, 2014 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm #1036846JosephParticipantThere are other shittos that one’s entitled to follow.
October 24, 2014 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1036847ChortkovParticipantLior – you are entitles to follow other shittas, but not to write a list of things you like and don’t like doing! “Kel adon is all right” is an interesting way of saying ??? ?? ????? ??.
October 24, 2014 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #1036848screwdriverdelightParticipantI don’t think lior was arguing w/ you, yekke 2.
And it’s perfectly acceptable to write how singing should be done.
“will end up being the chazzan about 85% percent of the time,’
“I’d tell him to forget it – do it yourself.”
If it came down to doing it myself, I would. I think lessons are best taught through example, anyway.
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