Singing during the Nine Days

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    Is it allowed?

    #965440
    147
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    I sing “Eli Zion” during the 9 days:- Even on Tisho b’Ov.

    #965441
    Israeli Chareidi
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    The Anshei Kehillos Ashkenaz (Yekkes) accepted on themselves the added stringency of not even singing during the three weeks. To the exclusion of Shabbos and in order to enhance davening and learning.

    As for everyone else, there is no specific Issur that I know of. However, if you’re going to sing, you may as well sing about Yerushalayim, Teshuva, etc…

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    rebdoniel
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    Music in line with the spirit of the period would be appropriate: things like Eli Eli, songs based on mournful tehillim (the Mi Ma’akim perakim), verses from Eicha, etc. seem appropriate. One of the most haunting things I find myself listening to at this time is Antoine Brumel’s motet (a capella SATB), which is Eicha 1:8 and Eicha 1:11. Very moving.

    #965443
    Israeli Chareidi
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    rebdoniel

    I believe the question was about singing – not listening to recordings.

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    rebdoniel
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    I sing as I listen. As long as there are no instruments involved, and the music leads one to a state of introspection, what could the issue be? Does a person not sing when they go to shul? When the Rambam paskened that people shouldn’t play music in a world without a Beit haMikdash, he wasn’t referring to singing, but to actual zimrah.

    #965445
    oomis
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    When I sing “Im Eshkacheich,” it makes me cry about the Churban, so that would be a yes.

    #965446
    rebdoniel
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    Many classical musicians set very stirring melodies to the words of Eicha/Lamentations.

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    videobymotty
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    we don’t allow outside links

    why?

    #965448
    YW Moderator-73
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    because we don’t

    #965449
    WIY
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    YW Moderator-73

    Profound.

    #965450
    Sam2
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    R’ Moshe and the Tzitz Eliezer both say that one shouldn’t, but I think it’s clear that the Minhag is not like them, except for certain sections of the Yekke community.

    #965452
    rebdoniel
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    As a baal tefillah, I am interested in this, Sam2. In Ashkenaz, did they change the nusach at all for the 3 weeks, so that certain emotions wouldn’t be expressed?

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    sam4321
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    Sam2: where did you see these opinions,Piskei Tshuvos(I Remember seeing that he brings a shitta who assurs it wondering if it was them)?

    #965454
    Sam2
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    sam4: They’re in the famous T’shuvos. R’ Moshe in OC 1:167 (I think; he says that Zimra D’mana is Assur and that during the 3 weeks and S’firah D’puma would also be Assur). The TZ”E quotes him and agrees in 15:33.

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