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they don’t blow off
They’re very furry.
They’re a waste of money with no basis in halacha.
They are hats. They used to be popular among the goyim. We tend to be a century or two “late” is adopting men’s fashions. That’s why many frum Jews still wear frock coats of various types (knee length, which has been out of style for 90 years (according to Wikipedia King George V killed them), and wear hats as a dress item (according to “urban myth”, President John Kennedy killed them). Fur hats are attractive, but unless the goyim start wearing them again, I predict that in another century or two we’ll lose interest.
takahmamash – how can you say that? It even says in the Torah itself that you must wear a shtreimel! Where? Well, the pasuk says “Vayetzei Yaakov…and Yaakov went out….”
What? Did you think he went out without wearing his shtreimel?! 😉
the origin of the shtreimel is that in poland or galicia or wherever the king made a decree that all jews should where hats, the rebbe at the time instituted thaT THE YIDDEN SHOULD WHERE THE HAT OF THE NOBILITY WHICH WAS AT THE TIME A SHTREIMEL AND THAT IS WHERE ITY HAS EVOLVED FROM,interestingly enough it was more like the type worn by the queens guard and has slowly evolved.
Fur hats were very common in the “early modern” era. In fact, they almost led to the extinction of many animals whose fur was used. They starting falling out of fashion in the west in the 19th century (when a picture circulation of Benjamin Franklin with a “spodik” became popular in Paris during the revolution, Franklin who would never be caught dead in one when living in Philadelphia sent a rush order for some and used it as a trademark).
Most of “cool” stories about their origins are probably folk-myths (but they are “our” folk myths, and warrant respect).
If fur hats were still popular in America, the Modern Orthodox anti-hasidim wouldn’t be complaining about them and pretending its a religious-based objection, rather than complaining that Boro Park doesn’t follow the same fashion Gurus as Manhattan.
im willing to bet the beavers disagree.
Shtreimels vs haters:
Haters
Pros: Not made of animal fur. Not expensive.
Cons: Cannot be worn as hat, constantly hating and poisoning human relationships.
Shtreimels
Pros: Can be worn as hat. Looks nice. Helps fit in socially if Hassidic.
Cons: Made of animal fur. Looks silly to outsiders. Expensive.
cozimjewish: Exactly, lol and if you look at Chasidish children’s books, Moshe Rabbeinu wore a streimel too.
Lol when did I even write that?!
Title of thread should be: Everyone tell your favorite myth on the reason for streimels, with a certainty that could only exist by someone who didn’t care if it was correct.
They are a style. Halacha is only you have to wear a hat at certain (okay, almost all) times.
The goyim no longer wear fut hats. In America, they ceased being popular about 200 years ago. In Eastern Europe they lasted longer. Some cavalry were still wearing them up until the 20th century (when hats lost popularity among the military since they had to switch to metal helmets).
In America it has become a style among Jews. That gives it a halachic status, more so then when it was a sort of hat everyone wore. Similar things have happened to frock coats (our kapotes) and fedoras.
Like all clothing, they tend to “make a statement”. The only way to avoid making a statement with one’s clothes is to dress like everyone around you, and then you are making a statement that you are like everyone around you.
cozimjewish: I was responding to your last post to takahmamash.
If you’re referring to the Moshe Rabbeinu comment. It was a tie in to the discussion. I saw the picture in a Chasidish children’s book.
BarryLS1 – I know, I was saying that I couldn’t even remember writing that post! (I do now, though 🙂 )
It’s a shame that the alter heim wasn’t in the US, because if it had been, we would all be wearing baseball caps as a matter of religiosity…
[they are much cheaper AND much more comfortable]
Funny how everyone went off topic.
idk, RY
based on the OP, the topic seemed to be the relative advantages of various types of headgear…
It said that shtreimels are better than hatrs because they don’t blow off. Haters are not headgear.
catch yourself: Eighty years ago fedoras has a status similar to baseball caps today. Who know’s someday, baseball caps will be worn only by Jews, and will become formal expensive dress hats. Would anyone 300 years ago imagine that a round fur hat would some day be seen as something “Jewish”? Fashion changes rapidly among the goyim.
The only beged with an halachic status is the tallis (gadol and katan), and perhaps the gartel. Everything else is just a fashion statement – which isn’t today that Yidden, like everyone else, need to pay attention to what fashion statements they make.
Isn’t it good to blow off hat[e]rs?
It’s bad when they blow off.
Even if a fedora blows off, it still is 1/10 the cost of a streimel. at that rate, you can get a few new hats and still come ahead.
It’s very rude. You don’t want your fedora being a bad example to the world.
Whats the difference with all of you making fun of shtreimlich and Bnei Yoel burning the israeli flag?
“Whats the difference with all of you making fun of shtreimlich and Bnei Yoel burning the israeli flag?”
A couple things:
1) We are talking in jest, without any malice, whereas the flag burners are driven by hatred.
2) Nothing physical is happening here, whereas the flag burners are acting violently.
The flag burners are no more violent than those that burn their chometz. (Which is also “physical”) They have property rights and the freedom of speech to burn the flag or chometz.
Ein Hachi Nami, “violence” is too strong a word. But the point still stands that the flag burners are acting on their malice.
It isn’t malice, it’s free speech. They are exercising their right to air their views. It’s even a lesser form of protest than civil disobedience (where protesters block traffic, etc.) which is illegal, whereas this is not. They have as much right to air their views in this manner as do the climate advocates or abortion advocates.
Being free speech doesn’t mean it isn’t malice.
Nor does it mean that it is.
In this case it was malicious.
Burning a flag is a statement not malice. Malice would be burning someone else’s property.
I guess if you’re a fanatical Zionist, you consider it malicious. And if you’re a fanatical anti-Zionist, you consider the Israeli flag to be malicious.
The Gemara seems to imply that it is Assur to wear a felt hat on Shabbos.
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