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October 29, 2024 1:03 am at 1:03 am #2326937ujmParticipant
Give a clear, concise and complete explanation of your answer. (Not just a simple yes or no.)
October 29, 2024 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #2327266akupermaParticipantShould women be subject to laws passed by men? Should women be subject to taxes?
A good (if undemocratic) argument could be made that uneducated women as well as uneducated men should not be allowed to vote, but that argument fell apart in many countries since they were unwilling to deny voting rights to uneducated (and therefore, usually poor) males. Note that at present, women tend to be better educated than men (a political issue in America, since the Democrats favor affirmative action for women when statistics show that if anything it should favor males).
October 29, 2024 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #2327267EvalimoshavloParticipantI dont understand the question.
My question is – Should men have the right to vote.
Women are much less political and much more truthfulness oriented…..usually….Kamala is an exception.
The whole question is extremelly chauvenistic. I really feel bad for your wife.October 29, 2024 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #2327356chassidish-theoristParticipantYes. Because why not?
Additionally, the power of voting is that the politicians in office will care about the voters opinions/wants/needs and that is more important for women than men. For example, if a politician wants to attract female voters he might propose an extension of maternity leave.
Do you have a reason why you think women shouldn’t vote?
October 29, 2024 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #2327425RedlegParticipantFemale citizens enjoy the same rights and privileges and have the same responsibilities as male citizens. Of course they should vote. Why on earth would anyone think otherwise?
October 29, 2024 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #2327565ujmParticipantOne thing is for sure; if voting was reserved for men, America’s greatest president (since Ronald W. Reagan), Donald J. Trump, would win by a landslide.
October 29, 2024 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #2327717HaimMustafaParticipantwomen are not to be voting.
Men should be deciding as always this was the mesorah from our great rabbis.
not hasveshalome because we disrepecting women we very much are respecting to them this is just no their role to know.October 29, 2024 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #2327706SchnitzelBigotParticipantThe Mishpat Kohen zatza”l ruled that no, they shouldn’t be voting. (I’m not sure if that’s the same as having the right to vote).
October 29, 2024 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #2327755ujmParticipantRabbi Kook was also opposed to women voting. (So if you follow his shittos on Zionism, you should be opposing allowing women to vote in Israel.)
October 29, 2024 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #2327896GadolHadofiParticipantJoseph,
Do you allow your multiple wives to vote and if so, does it count against their allowed monthly excursion out of the house?
October 29, 2024 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #2327945Aseh maat ve emor harbehParticipantOnly women should vote. Men can’t vote because of bittul Torah.
October 29, 2024 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #2327954Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Should men have the right to vote.
The argument could be made that men deserved their vote by fighting for it over centuries, developing philosophies and constitutions … After men earned a right to vote, they decided to share this right with the women – maybe hoping that the latter will reward them in their family life. Men, as usual, never think that they might be wrong, so they did not include a clause allowing them to have a later vote by men only to return to the status quo ante.
October 29, 2024 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #2327955Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantThis is happening not just with vote but with other things too – men invented physics, electricity, steam engine, cars, wipers, built roads, and now when they are driving, women tell them they are doing it wrong.
October 30, 2024 9:58 am at 9:58 am #2328030Jewish HickParticipantyall’ ladies can all vote in my poll if you think trump or that ladys gunnu win so head on over to my thread on votin’ right now!!
October 30, 2024 9:58 am at 9:58 am #2328055chassidish-theoristParticipantAlways-ask: the reason why women didn’t participate in any of these inventions is because they were excluded from doing so, and if you read a little history you’ll find that men weren’t nice by giving women the right to vote. Women, on an almost global scale, fought bitterly for it. That’s why feminists were stereotypically angry. Because men absolutely did not allow women to do anything until they had no choice.
October 30, 2024 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #2328161GadolhadorahParticipantIt would actually make more sense to use a minimum IQ threshold for voting rights which would ensure that women have a structural majority irrespective of any explicit gender restrictions. Sadly, there are constitutional restrictions on applying such a test to candidates for federal office (since that might otherwise exclude a certain “stable genius” from running).
Alternatively, women could just change the”gender’ designation on their registration forms.
October 30, 2024 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #2328234☕️coffee addictParticipant“Do you allow your multiple wives to vote and if so, does it count against their allowed monthly excursion out of the house?“
You know there’s something called absentee (mail in) voting?
October 30, 2024 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #2328324Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantchassidish-theorist> women didn’t participate in any of these inventions is because they were excluded from doing so
Most men in history were also excluded. Only relatively rich and free men participated in intellectual life. There were societies where women had access – Roman aristocratic women, for example. In last several centuries, women had access to resources in many European countries. Yes, Mrs. Curie had difficulties getting accepted in male-run university, but she could have opened her own women-only school (I think she actually was involved in teaching in such schools), same way men organized men-run universities.
October 30, 2024 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #2328325Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGadol> minimum IQ threshold for voting rights which would ensure that women have a structural majority irrespective of any explicit gender restrictions.
I am also for IQ or other knowledge-based testing – both for candidates and voters.
Average IQ is same for men and women, but (not fully confirmed, I think) men have more variability – there are more stupid and more very smart men.
This is a general trend in biology – male species have more variability.So, if you use an IQ cut off 70, exclude stupid people, there will be more men excluded, but if you use cut off 120 – keeping only smartest voters, then there will be more men, so, in practice, wives of smartest men will be in control.
October 30, 2024 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #2328334ujmParticipantHadorah: Statistically the average IQ for men is 99 and the average for women is 97.
November 1, 2024 9:04 am at 9:04 am #2328606Bored bachurParticipantThe average IQ is 100 because the test is always weighted so that the average IQ is 100
November 1, 2024 9:05 am at 9:05 am #2328643Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantIf this is true, then average adult IQ for ujm household is 97.5?
BUT average IQ is, by definition, 100. So if men are 99 and women are 97, then there are some malochim or mazikin with a higher IQ that make it come to 100 as an average.
November 2, 2024 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #2328780ujmParticipantWhile IQ tests are standardized to have an average score around 100, the true average may fluctuate slightly due to variations in the testing population and updates in test design. Changes can occur when different versions of IQ tests are recalibrated, or when averages are recalculated based on large sample populations. In specific populations or over different time periods, it might slightly deviate (for example, between 97 and 103).
November 2, 2024 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #2328921echoParticipantSocial Work Professors
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