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Here are the facts:
In the building where I daven, there was a bris today. But, the bris was not part of my minyan, nor was it part of any praying group which meets in that building.
The prayer group where the bris people were praying, was an unorthodox prayer group, without a mechitza, which probably used a slightly modified version of our siddur- it was actually a group put together by the parents for this occasion as a cross between conservative and egalitarian. There is a conservative prayer group which does meet in the building we were in.
We were able to see from our minyan into the bris prayer group, which was praying at the same time we were davening, since the building is U shaped, and there are facing windows from one room to the other. The bris had not yet happened when we were finished.
As it happens, they used a real mohel, so it was presumably a kosher bris. But we didn’t know that when we were up to tachanun.
So 3 questions:
Should we have said tachanun if it was a kosher bris?
Should we have said tachanun if it was a unkosher bris?
Should we have said tachanun if we didn’t know yet whether it was going to be a kosher bris?
Most Conservatives have Kosher Brisin (unless you’re Chassidish and hold that M’tzitzah B’peh is M’akev Afilu B’dieved, which is a tough Shittah to hold by anyway), so that probably wasn’t a concern. It was a Bris in the building. I think that’s enough to not say Tachanun.
For some reason, I thought only the minyanim after a bris don’t say tachnun, but any beforehand do. I could be wrong on that.
A lot also depends on the level of the parents. If they’re Reform, there’s a good chance the baby isn’t even Jewish, as Reform have diluted their definition of what makes someone Jewish so much that a lot of their members aren’t real Jews. Conservative haven’t gone that far yet, thankfully.
Just call a Rav and ask next time!
pba- if it wouldve been slichos you woulda called R Elyashiv.
Where does one draw the line? If someone davens in a minyan factory with 12 simultaneous minyanim and one has a bris, do they all skip tachnun? If there is a bris at the kosel, do all minyanim at the kosel skip tachnun? Only the simultaneous minyanim? What about the minyanim up to pusukei dzimra when the bris is taking place?
Now we have a defense for those who accuse us of being judgemental.
Popa, we all assumed this was just another of your hypotheticals presented as reality.
With PBA, I never question the reality as presented, I figure he/she lives in some parallel dimension.
popa: Sometimes people say the Yeshiva world is judgemental, yet we didn’t condemn you for davening at some blazes kind of place.
What’s the big deal? He just described the airport terminal in Chicago.
If an incoming flight had a bris, are the outgoing flights exempt from Tachnun? What about if they arrive after you left? Does it depend on where they get their meals? Would it make a difference if the airline is based over there? Which one?
What if, by saying Tachnun you’ll be putting your head down on a wall, over which there is being a Bris? Do you first put your head down and get up, or keep it there, or make believe it happened and skip it?
Only the minyan where either the mohel or avi haben or sandak (and possibly the baby himself) is present in the same room, does not say tachanun. All other minyanim do. Since none of the above were present in the room with your minyan, tachanun is said.
Longarekel beat me to it.
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