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In some yeshivos (chabad, sfardim, modern orthodox) they have the smicha system, with a gaol to complete in 3-5 yaers 500 blat gamara plus hilchos shabbos and hilchos issur v’heter (yore dieye), when completed you recieve smicha wich can be the yeshivos version of a BA. Is that system more goal oriented then the typical yeshiva system?
When you say “the yeshivos”, you mean Lakewood? Lakewood is not exactly a yeshiva; it is more of a beis medrash. Many people in Lakewood are working on similar goals.
And when you say some yeshivos (chabad, sfardim, modern orthodox), who do you mean?
Modern Orthodox would be YU.
There are no large sfardi yeshivos in America.
I am not aware that chabad has a program similar to what you describe.
However, I do agree that working towards goals in learning is important. Where I learned, that was always encouraged.
Although, I do agree that working towards goals in learning is a positive thing. Where I learned, that was always encouraged.
Having an accepted smicha program yeshiva-wide as a requirement for yeshivaleit would help to legitimize those who are fit to stay in learning while weeding out those who are not.
The yeshivos I know of that have a Smicha program operate it as a masters program. While thes programs are definatly goal oriented it needs to be determined whether yeshivos should be goal oriented.
What be the point of being in kollel and learning your whole life if not to get smicha and have a goal? What is the point of learning if there are no bechinas to know that you are actually retaining what you have learned and you are seriously doing your job?
aries – The point of learning is to LEARN. No need to proove ANYONE – ANYTHING!
Aries2745, 1) one can be a big Talmid Chacham without having a s’micha. Contemporary s’micha in America, at most places that give it, does not mean much. Usually, it means that the student learnt Basar be’Chalav and Ta’aruvos(Mixtures(of non-kosher and kosher)). He does not have to know anything else.
2) Even if the talmid does not retain it, it’s still a big Mitsva to learn. You, however, have the right to say: if I am going to support my son-in-law in kollel, I want someone who is succesful in his learning.
mdd, not so, there are different levels of smicha, and if you learn all your life you should strive to reach the highest level.
aries – I don’t know about you, but I learn for the sole sake of learning.
About the goals, I agree.
Btw, which places give those higher levels of s’micha? And what one has to know to get a higher-level s’micha?
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