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has a new blog post in the Times of Israel. It is titled “What exactly do you want– those who oppose the advancement of women in Judaism?”
I suspect it is directed toward the sort of people who tend to lurk in the CR. The classic problem with articles like this one is that the people addressed in the article will never, ever stumble upon it on their own. So instead you just get a bunch of sympathizers commenting “thanks, great article” etc. rather than a real dialogue. Therefore…
Thoughts, anyone?
Make me a sandwich!
(just kidding) =P
Yup, I have’nt read Jaskoll’s article nor do I plan on it.
I am however amazed that there are groups of women who feel that western feminist movements represent “womens progress’ and rights and so forth.
From what I see all Western Feminism has done is cause the complete degradation of wome.
When a certain type of swimsuit was first “invented” they could find no women to “model” it as no Women would display herself in public in such a way.
Now the Feminist movement has proudly turned women into pure “display objects”.
A Hollywood Actress publicly proclaimed a couple of years ago that when she came to Hollywood if a women had participated in certain types of videos she would hide it under her covers, now its her calling card to entry into the new world.
And years ago omen could actually walk outside alone at night, something I would never ever let my daughter do ( unless it was the middle of MEah Shearim where B”h Womens rights have’nt progressed)
So the simple ansewer to the question you posted is,
We wish to preserve a world in which a women has value beyond the years of 15 to 40.
We wish to preserve a world in which Families remain intact and divorce is not par-for the course.
We wish to preserve a world in which the basics facts of life are recognized.
Women and Men look physically different.
Just as they are different physically, so to they are different emotianally.
Just as they are different emotianally so to they are different spiritually.
B”h we have a Torah which requires a Man to strive to fulfill the role suited towards the body and soul he was created with and a woman to fulfill the role that suits the body and soul she was created for.
And B”H we have a Torah that recognizes that alone both a woman and a Man remain incomplete and yet by marrying and joining together they are able to become one.
Our Torah commands us not to strive to creat a partnership, rather to strive to become “one” (Vehoyu L’Busar Echad).
Which means a world where woman and man are not “rivals” competing “against” each other but actually work together towards a mutual goal.
“What exactly do you want– those who oppose the advancement of women in Judaism?”
Like I said, I did’t read the article ,I don’t plan on reading the article alI know of it is the above qoute from your post.
Usually it means finding a way to put a beard and peyos on feminism and put feminisim in Judaisim.
Like Mechalelei Shabbos talking about their connestion with G-d by putting tefillin on at the Kosel.
Or fighting for the progress of having Women displayed on pictures in Yerushalayim.
Or the right to insist that Toldas Aron is breakking the law by having a Mechitza eperating men and women by their Simchas Beis HaShoeiva in Meah Shearim.
Or fighting for the rights of women to sit right next to their friends husbands on th bus in Eretz Yisroel.
That is usually the “progress” written about in the secualr media.
I agree with the overall sentiment expressed in the article, but I have to protest what she says here: “This is not about feminism. We are not looking to replace men.” It irks me when people express ideas that are identical to what self-professed feminists espouse, but insist on misrepresenting them. Doesn’t make any sort of sense.
OOM: But that’s not what she said- she said, “This is not about feminism NOR are we looking to replace men.” They are two separate things, not a term and definition.
Actually, reading the comments, it seems to be that she initially wrote it the way you quoted it- someone called her out on it, and she replied, “It was two separate issues as in ‘This is not about feminism.’ and neither are we looking to replace men (b/c that’s [sic] a ludicris [sic] accusation) – If that was unclear or if I equated feminism to wanting to be men that was the exact opposite of my intention and I will try to clarify in an edit. Thanks for pointing it out.”
Just FYI, if you’re interested.
Anyway, the article was interesting, and I agree with her to an extent. It’s the sort of thing where people have asked me why is it fair that women can’t be rabbis, don’t I want to be a rabbi, and I was like, no I don’t want to be a rabbi- I want to be a psychologist/doctor/social worker/archaeologist/bus driver (hey, I was four years old…). But that was me. People have wanted to become rabbis, and I think many if not most (no, if you disagree with me, I’m NOT trying to generalize- I’m just saying based on my experience) women I know would at least understand to an extent why a woman may feel that urge. I think she takes it a bit farther than I would, but she has interesting points.
I don’t see how that changes anything. The point is, she says this whole thing that is essentially feminist and then says it’s not about feminism. So what is it about? What DO you think feminism is about?
Oh, it’s also not about trying to be like men. Aha.
(Also, the use of “nor” does not show any technical differentiation between two items. In most cases where nor is used, it is to show an equivalence [i.e. the “neither/nor” construct].)
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