Shocking Study of Modern Orthodox OTD Rate

And chassidishY.U.type’s first comment (third on the page) is possibly the best troll post in the CR.

There’s got to be a better way for you to feel good about yourself than putting down the MO.

Joseph,
Thank you for that reference.

DY
I did not notice any condescension in Joseph’s post.

I felt that the article was good because it raised issues that are true but ignored in the modern orthodox community. I also went to Modern Orthodox high school, and I have to say that there seemed to be a level of cognitive dissonance, or at least lack of zehirut and zerizut.
Fortunately our main Rebbe was/is very learned Brisker, and was clear in showing priorities. One time someone pointed out “that guy is at Harvard”. Our Rebbe said, “who cares” with disdain. “How much learning can he do there?”

Thinking about it, I guess most of the blame should point towards the school boards, who are usually made up of professionals. They want to raise the next generation of professionals who will be able to pay the bills. I don’t think they see where are there lack of spirituality is headed.

What percentage is it?

I’m sorry but some of my best friends are modern.. It’s just easier that way. I try not to judge them, but as they say themselves “you got to live according to the times” which includes watching movies with pritzus, having mixed get togethers on Friday night, etc. It’s everyone else who missed the point. NOBODY CAN EVER DISPROVE ANYONE ELSE’S BEHAVIOR cause as Rav Dessler writes “everyone wants to feel good about themselves, and recognizing one’s faults would be saying to a person with not healthy self esteem, that he not good.” it’s just too painful. SO PLEASE EVERYONE STOP WASTING YOUR TIME, YOU WON’T CHANGE ANYTHING

Takes2-2tango
Empty inside…. Sort of like a Modern Orthodox Jew. Why are you complaining? More people are joining your ranks.

Are mice religious?

Regarding the original post (and title of this thread), it is highly questionable. I checked the Rabbi’s blog, and all he does is refer to one “unpublished” study he says that he looked at, and another unnamed study. We have no idea what these studies are, who did them, what their quality is, and whether they are even correct. He provides no link to further information.

For example, are these studies of a single high school? A small handful of schools? Of a MO school in which half the kids who go there aren’t even MO? What is the sample size? Response rate?

Without any information about the studies, we have no idea what they measure or whether they have any validity whatsoever. As of now these are basically second-hand rumors about studies, which obviously no one can draw any meaningful conclusions from.

I’m sure some communities and some schools or colleges have higher OTD rates than others (YU/Stern or Touro vs public universities, for example), but the fact is we don’t have any data to prove it one way or another.

Rabbi Pruzansky is a highly credentialed Modern Orthodox rabbi with one of the largest congregations in Teaneck, the MO capital of the US.

And the censorship continues

I didn’t realize that modern Orthodox agreeing with elements of evolution is controversial.

They regularly espouse that view,

It’s been said before but don’t assume the main subject is the only basis for deletion. Don’t remember your specific post but just mentioning that sometimes it is for other reasons. – 29

It’s your website, your rules. That was definitely the gist of my previous comment, I don’t remember my exact wording either.

It’s hard to predict what’s going to pass and what’s not.

Instead of looking at the Modern Orthodox, look at yourselves. Are all the “Frum” people, the best that they can be? My daughter had a Bais Yakov education, Frum home, and is totally not religious now. Yet, she is respectful, helpful, has a good heart, is a hard worker, etc. I don’t want to go into more details about her, so that no one should identify me or her. She has friends from the Bais Yaakov, one is Lesbian, another MO, and a few others, not religious at all. She has MO cousins in the Five Towns, who went to MO schools. They are grown up and still Modern Orthodox, keep Shabbos, Yom Tovim, Taharas Mishpocha, etc. She has other cousins that are Chassidic, not saying which kind. Some of them look religious, but are keeping only some mitzvos and do what they want when their parents are not looking. My ex-landord,from whom we rented an apartment, for many years, and they have many children. They are Chassidic and they have a child that is totally not religious. I have a long time friendly relationship with a famous Yeshivish Rabbi and Rebbetzin and family. They have one child that is totally not religious, but is helpful, caring, hardworking and friendly. My daughter has a few co-workers, that look Frum, but do not act nice and are not Frum. They live in a Frum community, and do whatever they want outside the community. OTD is a problem that affects all Jews, everywhere. It is difficult to be a Frum Jew, with all the new stringencies and prohibitions. It is also difficult to have faith in Hashem, when the world is a total mess and getting worse and it seems that Hashem is not in control. Love all your fellow Jews and accept them as they are. Don’t judge others until you can change places with them, which is not possible.

It’s hard to predict what’s going to pass and what’s not.
Kinda like shidduchim