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tal: thanx for updatin this thread!!!
im: wow such a beutiful story!!! shows hashem runs the world perfectly!!
lm: wow, that’s a great inspirational story.$
Lashon Hara can come in any form. It can be written or verbal or through the use of expressions or any other way you can think. (We can see the issur of writing when Yoav showed David HaMelech’s letter to Bnei Yisrael.)
Nor do you have permission to include someone else with your negative comment about yourself. (We see this in Yirmiyahu.)
Im: “kal regah viregah sheadam choshev piv liginut zoche lioor sheein kal malach oobiriah yachol lishar.” Every moment that a person closes his mouth to negativity he merits the light that every malach and briah can’t experience. If you think your business and family meritted this much from preventing the spread of single piece of information that was fairly public, imagine the reward in the next world. I am jelous of you in that respect.
tal: thanx for the update.$
tal: thanx that was great!!! keep up the updating on this chashuv thread!!!
When the person spoken about is present at the time the information is related and does not protest: Do not assume he is in agreement as he may believe there is no point in fighting, he did not want to cause further machloket, or even if he usually argues assume he overcame his yetzer in this instance. (You can also assume he is just better than the person speaking!)
The person relating the information has additional aveirot of embarresing someone publicly aside from the dozens of aveirot and the kilkulim.
tal: thanx, that was great!!!
mods: any word from the CCHF abt adding it????
See shmirashalashon.blogspot.com
The website translates the Chofetz Chaim’s Sefer Shmiras Halashon into English.
According to the Shmiras Halashon Yomi calendar, this is the post for today: http://shmirashalashon.blogspot.com/2007/12/shmiras-halashon-shevat-15-one-hundred.html
Happy Tu B’shvat!
( P.S. Tommorow’s lesson is at http://shmirashalashon.blogspot.com/2007/12/shmiras-halashon-shevat-16-one-hundred.html )
TJ: wow thanx!! that’s awesome!!!
Chofetz Chaim: A Daily Companion – Shidduch Supplement.
It is recommended that you decline to give information about a person you have dated.
Curious: good quick thought!!!
A middah tovah limaalah is never to reveal private information about another person unless they tell you go and say. To the point that Moshe Rabbeinu would not have given us the Torah but for the fact that Hashem told him to.
But, we for the most part are not at that point. Therefore, use indicators to judge if you can reveal the information and the stronger indicator when contradicotry indicators present. For example, your friend stands in front of you and tells everyone passing by information and to keep it quiet; you need to decide which indicator is stronger.
thanx for the update tal.$
tal: thanx!!! that was great!!! it’s so nice that you keep adding to this thread!!!
Listening to or Believing Lashon Hara:
Listening to Lashon Hara is generally prohibited for two reasons:
(1) It is forbidden to accept or believe Lashon Hara, and by listening to it one might cause himself to believe it.
(2) By participating in a session of Lashon Hara, the listener would be assisting the other participants to commit the sins of speaking and believing the Lashon Hara.
Believing Lashon Hara is forbidden regardless of the subject (family, friend, enemy, etc.), and regardless of the speaker (teacher, parent, spouse, etc.). Only if the subject is known to commit certain sins or have other problems, it might be permissible to believe it. In any case, someone can suspect that the Lashon Hara might be true, such that the listener should take precautions to protect himself from harm.
If information against someone might be of benefit to another (e.g. a potential business partner, roommate, etc.), it is permissible for that person to listen to it. (The listener should state why he is listening to the information so that the speaker realizes that the intentions of the listener are constructive, and also so that the speaker doesn’t intend to speak for non-constructive reasons.) However, the listener is forbidden from:
(1) accepting the information as true (he may only suspect and investigate), or
(2) taking action against the subject based on the information.
If caught in a group of people who are speaking Lashon Hara, one should try and leave the group or change the topic. If stuck there:
(1) decide in one’s heart/mind not to accept the Lashon Hara as true.
(2) do not enjoy the Lashon Hara (because the subject is being shamed, its a funny story, etc.).
(3) do not pretend to agree or accept the Lashon Hara (make a face, don’t make eye contact, or at least wear a blank expression)
If someone starts speaking Lashon Hara, try to privately and respectfully tell them that speaking Lashon Hara is forbidden. The best way to prevent others from speaking Lashon Hara is by setting a good example.
mods what ever happened with the CCHF thing for this thread??? maybe till then we un-sticky this thread????
mods can we please un-sticky this thread, for now!!!!!
asdfghjkl: i disagree with you(the only time), tal may decide to pop up again, and then (s)he may not be able to find it.$
qwertyuiop: good this is the only thing we disagree on!!! i updated this thread & seems like no one even noticed it!!!
asdfghjkl: well, you updated it last nite, when i wasn’t here, and obviously i noticed it, because we’re having this conversation, right here.$
qwertyuiop: look above, i updated it last week!!! don’t worry abt it!!!
asdfghjkl: i know, and why don’t look when the tehillim thread was last updated.$
qwertyuiop: yup yup!!!!
qwertyuiop: yeah i know abt the sefer tehillim one being updated last wk!!! i didn’t want to write anything there, cuz it looks cool your name up there!!!
asdfghjkl: i was thinking of posting something there, but i wanted to wait and see how long it takes for somebody else to post on it.$
off topic, uh oh!
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anonymisss are you also a mod? jk I was actually planning on writing the same thing I dont know what happened that I didnt
anonymisss: it is not!!!!
qwertyuiop: remember when the mogen av thread was our own thread!!!!
asdfghjkl: yeah, but i guess now, we could switch it to this thread.$
qwertyuiop: yup, sounds great!!!!
Today’s Shmiras Halashon yomi:
http://shmirashalashon.blogspot.com/2008/01/shmiras-halashon-shevat-30-one-hundred.html
A tefillah for shmiras halashon:
http://shmirashalashon.blogspot.com/2008/01/prayer-for-shmiras-halashon.html
Gut chodesh!
mods did anyone ever set up some sort of system with the CCHF or maybe a mod can do what mod 72 does every week for the DT thread, assign days to give out lessons.
ames: I doubt it because otherwise everyones mitzvos and aveiros are flying all over the place.
ames: there is some concept of that, but i don’t know if it’s that simple.
really? hey you guys could talk about me as much as you want. as long as you keep everything else i’ll be fine.
Sounds too easy. Its probably some complicated stuff they learn in the Zohar.
aussie: yeah & then nobody’s getting what they really deserve
There is a concept like that, however I dont think anyone understands it completely. I read (in sefer chofetz chaim) its not a complete “transfer” if that would be the case, most people would just be “exchanging” their olam haba back and forth with some people when they talk about them and the other side is doing the same thing.
Hey guys, I pulled this out for you. Use it!
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