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L’kavod rosh chodesh.
And also because I took it from where I keep it in shul for the kiddush club.
I dont get the second reason. that reason is valid tomorrow as well.
And also because I’m alive.
nothing like a good juicy piece of shmaltz herring on an ayur kichal after a nice long rosh chodesh davening.
btw, reminder: no more matzos till the pesach seder
Popa- I can’t believe your shul still allows a kiddush club. The gedolim have clearly stated that kiddush clubs are assur.
Matjas and bourbon anytime.
Breakfast lunch or dinner.
Popa- its obvious, how can you leave shul in the middle to get drunk? First of all, your probably shouldn’t be davening while under the influence, second you are missing part of davening when you go out to drink, and third, even if you are only going out to drink during the drasha you are being mevatel torah and poreish min hatzibbur.
Popa- I know for sure that certain gedolim say that it is assur. But I don’t even need to go that far because it is obviously assur just like by michalel shabbos. Clearly you have no rebuttal to that.
Popa- so instead of responding to my argument, you are choosing to engage in an ad hominem attack against me as an individual. Classic coffee room strategy.
If you actually had a justification for your behavior you would say it. I think its obvious who is right and who is wrong here.
And yes, I look forward to see how you find a way to respond to my post without addressing the actual argument at issue.
Mobe613 – Your the one accusing and attacking.
“Popa- its obvious, how can you leave shul in the middle to get drunk? First of all, your probably shouldn’t be davening while under the influence, second you are missing part of davening when you go out to drink, and third, even if you are only going out to drink during the drasha you are being mevatel torah and poreish min hatzibbur.”
1) When did Popa say he’s leaving in middle of davening? Maybe their kiddush club is at 3 in the afternoon way after they finish eating?
2) Who said he’s davening under the influence? Maybe he already davened shacharis, musaf AND mincha before their kiddush club? He then goes to sleep for an hour, and learns minchas chinuc, and then eats seuda shlishis, and then Maariv?
3)Leaving a drasha? What shaychis? See 1 and 2 above.
Finally, stop being choshed bichsheirim…..which by the way is the same behavior as making things up in the name of gedolim (who never said anything about any kiddush club).
Get a grip, sir.
You arent responding because you dont have a response. Thats not a choice, you just literally have nothing to say.
And it is well know that R’ Matisyahu Solomon shlita has spoken out against them, I am sure that I could find more if I asked around, but this is not the type of thing they publish on the internet.
Again, though, you hardly need a gadol to tell you not to leave shul in the middle, or daven mussaf on shabbos while drunk.
“R’ Matisyahu Solomon shlita has spoken out against them”
He never said any such thing. Heck, there is no Young Israel even in Lakewood…besides for “Sons Of Israel”….which has no kiddush club anyways.
But since YOU are the one saying that he said it, please enlighten us all, and tell us where and when it was said, and how can we verify what you are saying is not a total fabrication.
Waiting with baited (kiddush-smelling) breath.
Fred- You are wrong. “kiddush club” means leaving in the middle of davening and coming back before mussaf. A “kiddush club” in the middle of the afternoon is a not a kiddush club and I dont think there is anything wrong with that.
Yenta- He was asked by somebody I know. I do not know the exact time and place, which is a ridiculous request for you to make. How much of what any of the gedolim say that is not in a sefer can be specifically dated?
Mobe613 – First of all it’s FERD not Fred. You should know what a Ferd is….
Anyways, how do you know what Popa meant by Kiddush Club?
You go attack a guy for no reason, make things up in the name of Gedolim (plural), and best of all you blast him for responding to you and say he is using the “Classic coffee room strategy”.
What a Hippocrate.
You don’t even know what he meant by Kiddush Club.
What happened to Hevey don es kol haadom lechaf zechus?
fREd & Popa- Ok, Popa would you care to clear up what exactly your kiddush club is. Fred here needs an education on these matters. When does your kiddush club take place?
And I’d rather not get off topic. The topic being whether it is ok to make up stuff from gedolim.
Why not? The Pashkevilim do it all the time! Obviously the Gedolim hold it is muttar to make things up.
Popa- 1) not the topic. Kiddush clubs are more closely related to shmaltz herring than gedolim sayings. 2) I didn’t make it up.
3) I will take your refusal to answer the question as an admission that Fred is wrong and I am right about what your kiddush club is.
And finally 4) Is there anyone at all on this website that think they could find a gadol and ask him if kiddush clubs (as I define them:during shul, before mussaf) are ok and that he would say yes????
mobe – I am so sorry. It would be obvious to most that he only added that line about kiddush club in the first place in the hopes someone would jump on it. I hoped equally as hard that nobody would. I guess my connection to Gd is weaker. I’ll have to work on that.
Its FERD….not FRED…..do you know what FERD is? You probably should…..if not, your really a FERD.
Anyways, you did make it up. You said Gedolim, and you were only able to produce one Gadol, which is only hearsay via a friend of yours who was there when it was said.
“Al pi shnayim eidim yakum davar”, not “al pi my friend was there, and he told me mammish on the phone shtark right after the shmooze it was grada unreal what the mashgiach said amazing shtickle torah fest and tzum zach rizig off the charts not shayich”…..
So it is you, my friend, who makes things up. You said GedoliM, and can’t prove that even ONE even said anything about it.
I rest my case.
Fred- you are right, I should have said i know of one gadol. I wrote gedolim because i wasnt really thinking about it that much and it is also obvious to me that this is something any gadol would say is assur. And nobody has contradicted my assertion on that matter.
People are being really childish and sneaky about this. Basically everyone here knows kiddush clubs (again as I define them, which is really the only way) are wrong, and that any gadol knows its wrong, but we are just going to focus on the fact that we do not have firsthand knowledge of a gadol specifically telling us we cant do this, so we will just ignore what we already know ourselves and what everyone knows the gedolim know themselves and focus on a silly issue as to whether or not we heard it from someone else.
Let’s be relistic…..why should any gadol say anything about this? Which yeshiva or real frum minyan has a kiddush club?
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The Young Israel rabbonim should be the ones screaming.
Since when do the Young Israel people give a hoot what any Litvish Gadol has to say? They don’t.
Mobe you are breaking one of the crommandments
“Thou shalt not disrespect another member by altering their name which they have chosen i.e. if the persons user name is Professor Jorgenson don’t call him jorgy porgy because you disagree with his views.”
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-ten-crommandments
Popa- Way to blow smoke Popa. If it will get you to answer the actual question, I will admit that I made up the statement and that I was wrong to do so (this is not really true but I am saying it so that Popa can move on and address the real issue)
I guess I am saying that if I did make up the saying I sincerely apologize and will not do it again because it is wrong. So no reason to keep focusing on that issue.
Now lets address kiddush clubs despite Popas attempt to keep attention off himself. He thought he could casually mention his kiddush club and nobody would say anything, but I think it is important to say that such things are wrong.
The Goq- did not realize that was one of the rules, sorry. Seems silly though, but I will stop horsing around.
It’s not a real rule.
I know that there are gedolim who are against eating pork though I can’t give specific statements.
He thought he could casually mention his kiddush club and nobody would say anything,
you must have missed my post above (9 or 10 posts)
Kiddush Clubs? Have you ever heard of a shul without one? I didn’t.
How did an innocent thread about a poor piece of schmaltz herring end up being about clubs, booze and pork?
Mmmmmm……Schmaltz herring. Yum.
How many times does Ferd have to say his name is Ferd and not Fred?
Popa- I rest my case.
Ferd- Your apology is accepted in advance.
Popa- How would you know how much torah the YCT rabbi and community members know if you are not there when they speak?
It’s hard to beat Shmaltz Herring on Shabbos, nothing better than that. I don’t know about having it on Tuesday though, that’s just gross.
PBA: Any leftovers? Save some for the 1:00 AM lurkers. Or for the next Kiddush.
Good. Make sure to keep a watchful eye on it…
You keep YCT students in the freezer? I thought that was only BMG.
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