Shaitle Fraud Chillul Hashem Video: Sha'ar haTumah haChamishim

Oomis, how would the housekeeper know it was a mistake? Only the owner of the item would know it is a mistake! That’s my point. The housekeeper’s job was to do the laundry as it was given to her and NOT to ask questions. The laundress’ job was to do the laundry as it was given to her and not to ask questions. It is the customer’s responsibility to check the bag before they drop it off. The onus is on the customer to make sure they drop off only items that can be washed, not hand wash items and not dry clean items, etc. It is not the responsibility of the laundress to check the labels of any item that is the responsibility of the customer. Unfortunately even our housekeepers are not smart enough to read labels and if our kids are stupid enough not to hang up their suits and it finds its way into the laundry room, their suits wind up getting washed and not getting sent to the cleaners! As much as we get angry at the housekeeper because she should have known better not to wash a suit or a good pair of pants, the kids should have known to hang it up and not drop it on the floor.

I agree with the points you brought up. It has nothing to do with how much the sheitel cost. And I feel bad that Georgie was brought into it and she seemed strained on the video. I don’t feel R’ Hoffman should have gotten involved in this. I think he is only adding more fuel to the fire because although he thinks he answered all the questions he only answered the ones HE wanted to but opened it up for more questions because those that others wanted answered were not answered.

It would have been best had he not gotten involved and just let the entire incident just die down slowly.

AC,

I am glad that you feel comfortable remaining anonymous while you call someone who has placed their reputation on the line publicly a liar.

Perhaops you should publicly state here your name, number and address while you do.

Georgie’s info is all well known. Because of that she has a chezkas kashrus and ne’emanus that you do not have, nor apparently, deserve.

Jose, you could be one of the TMB clones.

AC,

If I challenged you and you were identified, you would have a legitimate claim. However, as long as you remain anonymous, there is no reason I should ID myself. However, Georgie is identified and thus, it would only be fair for you to identify yourself if you are saying she is lying.

Assuming that what M&H is saying is the truth, and there is now corroborating testimony, why should they not have people speak up for them? Should they stay idly by?

So many of their detractors sought proof because they did not protest sufficiently or that Georgie did not corroborate their claim.

Well now there is both and that is proof that they are lying? Darned if you do and darned if you don’t.

Why must you cling to the notion that they are lying and in the wrong? Does it make you feel good about yourself? Does it support one of your biases?

Your attitude speaks volumes about you.

Much self introspection is called for.

True chillul hashem is the attitude that “these jews must be lying” and shouting about it that is done by others who allege that they themselves are religious jews.

Fine! I’ll identify myself.

I am Judge Millian.

I dont believe for one minute that Georgie would lower herself to lie for ANY customer, best or not best. The employees must/would have overheard many conversations during the time that Heidi discovered that her wig was irrepairably damaged. Her employees know the truth, she could be found out easily! Many others know the inside story, from close-up, as well. What would Georgie gain by defending Heidi (and not only defending her, but defending her so publicly)? I think for anyone of Georgie’s public persona to feel there’$ value in lieing in public, theyd have to be getting way more than the amount in question, $3,000. Nonsense!

aries2756

“Then what R’ H will write an article about not listening to the gossip of Georgie’s staff, who are you going to believe, yada, yada, yada….”

Sidestep shmidestep, either the wig was a $3,000 Georgie custom or it wasnt. Either there was only one purchased or two. Georgie didnt have to answer questions like what she does in France! I dont think Georgie is that desperate for a couple of thousands that she’d dirty herself to protect liars in public. I think the couple was truthful, and she came to their defense.

Cute how you’ve figured it all out (including everyone’s level of honesty) with certainty- the past, the present and the future. Where do you get your expertise in determination of lieing?

>>I saw that same interview and sad to say, it seemd like a sloppy cover up. She fumbled so many times, I’m surpirsed she was courageous enough to speak out.<<

I dont think she fumbled at all. And if it was me speaking even about just the weather, knowing I was on camera, I would have fumbled.

>>1.She was in France according to her on Succos. This happened in November.<<

So what? Who says she wasn’t still in France whenever this court case happened? and how do you know when the case happened?

>>2.H had nothin g to wear so she had to make a rush sheitel. what happened to the fall??<<

People do not wear their fall for all occassions. For example Shabbos, Yom Tov and chasunahs, they won’t wear one. I dont know when the sheitel got ruined, but perhaps it was before the yomim tovim that she needed a regular sheitel? Regardless, she may still have needed a regular sheitel

>>3. ‘H eide is my favorite customer’ ugh, pleassssse. She only bought one sheitel there!!!<<

So what? One can go to Gerogies also to have the wig washed and set. She’s wearing a wig for ten years. How do you know she hasn’t been going to her for 10 years?

>>This interview made it ten times worst,<<

I dont think so. I think it makes it ten times better. At least puts a doubt in a persons mind, that perhaps Heidi isn’t guilty at all.

>>and YES it is OUR business if our fellow Jews create such a ruckus on national televesion which can seriously harm our relationship with the outside wordld!! <<

No, it is NOT. And what do you think you’re doing, Ms High and Mighty? Do you think your posts on a web site about how guilty she definately is is a kiddush Hashem? In fact, YOU are making this chillul Hashem a whole lot worse.

And your questions are not logical. You are looking for holes to make heidi look guilty. And I’m sure you can find a 100 more questions to “prove” her guilt.

OC, I really hate going through this again, but if you insist…If you want to start off with who is qualified to say who is lying let’s start with Heidi who started of by saying that the laundress was lying.

Then lets talk about the fact that R’ Hoffman never verified that Heidi’s child put the wig in the bag, nor did he verify the age of the child who would do such a thing. Which is the root of the entire fiasco. So was that a lie? Isn’t it possible that Mendi himself threw it in by accident just grabbing the laundry to take with him on his way to work?

Then there is the question of her saying there are only 2 wigs, the one she is wearing and the fall, when clearly there are 3. Why didn’t she immediately say, that she had to replace the ruined wig with the one on her head. The Judge did ask her about the wig on her head and she had ample opportunity to say that she had to replace the mangled wig so Georgie made up this wig for her in record time. That was the perfect opportunity to speak about it. Doesn’t it seem odd to you that she didn’t mention it at that time?

Then Heidi said she took it to 3 sheitel Machers who all said the wig is ruined but did not produce one slip of paper for proof. If she bought the wig from Georgie and she showed it to Georgie, and Georgie had such rachmonus on her that she made up a wig for her in 24 hours, why on earth would she go to 2 other sheitel machers for other opinions. So who was lying here?

Why would Heidi have the receipt from the ruined wig in May but not have the receipt from the replacement wig which she just got to show the judge. Did she purposely choose to hide it from the judge because it didn’t cost as much as the one in May? That is called “purposeful omission” which is also a lie.

I really don’t want to go on. They didn’t come prepared to court because they didn’t have the proof to back up the lies they were telling in court. And people have the nerve to say the Judge is lying which is such outright chutzpah it is beyond ridiculous. Why should the judge lie.

H&M had a valid claim even if it was their fault and they should never have put the wig in the laundry bag. Without the drama and without the lies, they had a valid claim that the laundry ruined their wig. “Your honor, the wig accidentally got in with the laundry and it is ruined”. End of the claim. Answer the judge’s questions. Don’t lie about the laundress, don’t try to make them out to be liars. Say you didn’t understand them on the phone, or you were so upset that your wig was missing you didn’t hear them properly or you were crying and maybe she didn’t hear you clearly say don’t wash. But don’t make up stories about them.

Had they been truthful and not lied to the judge, the judge would not have done investigation on her own and would not have found them to be liars, and would probably have judged in their favor. That’s it. Lies will bring you down. And the more that everyone especially R’ Hoffman try to cover it up, the more it will bring them down.

I would again suggest to R’ Hoffman to leave it alone and think of the kids who will probably going through a bit of gehenom because of their parents and just let it die down.

I would still ask the moderators to delete the whole thread because of the kids. Enough is enough. But then good ole R’ H had to write about it in the 5T paper.

Oh, and Flowers?

I suppose when G alluded to those who work at the laundromat in jest as ‘very clever people’, was a major KIDDUSH HASHEM AS WELL!!!

I mean here you have a poor hardworking family who I DO believe are responsible to compensate for whatever the wig is worth (3 k apparantly was excessive), and she has to get fecicious in front of the camera, making us look a lot more arrogant and elite than the general public.

Aishes Chayil:

I watched the Georgies video again, and as I stated earlier, I didn’t see that she fumbled, but if she did a little, it is normal. That was my point. And if I had to speak to prove someone’s innocence, I would!! Regardless of how uncomfortable it t made me.

To be honest, I hesitated responding to your posts since it’s clear no matter what is said you will believe in the couple’s guilt.

>>You sound very frustrated! <<

You think you’re an expert in human emotions and know exactly how people should respond to everything! There was no reason for Heidi to mention at the time of questioning that Georgies was one of the people who said the wig is irrepairable. And, you’re wrong here too!! I’m not frustrated. Why do you think I should be?

>>I dont have an axe to grind here! I dont even know these two people. <<

I know you don’t know them!! It’s very easy to be critical of and hurt people you don’t know. If u would know them, I guarantee you wouldn’t be talking this way about them.

>>Actually I found it very eidel how they just walked out of the courtroom , quietly, without expressing any remorse even to the moderator about their feeling s<<

I only spoke to Heidi once and she is indeed a very eidel woman. But what you just said that you were impressed they didnt express any remorse is really laughable.

Flowers,

You didnt respond to my last post about how G ridiculed the people at the laundromant in public. Eh, I suppose since she doesnt know them personally, its ok to do that, correct?????

Why should you be frustrated?

Well obviously because most people believe this story stinks.

You say;

‘At least the video by Georgie gives most intelligent people reason to doubt the guilt of the couple. And in a great many peoples mind, it exonerates the couple ‘

It gives many people the reason to think its a smokescreen. Thats the problem!

Flowers, there are so many stories of how people made Kiddushei Hashem you can be proud of! Take the recent incident in Williamsburg with Shomrim for example.

Why don’t you highlight those, insread of chewing over something that hurts.

It’s very possible that Heide is an eidel woman. She made a major faux pas, along with her husband for bringing this out in public instead of trying to settle it in a private court.

I think there are so many holes that the more people defend them the more people are going to want the holes in their stories answered appropriately. If you want people to stop attacking people should stop trying to defend them and let it die. Again, no one is questioning the fact that the laundry should not have washed the wig. No one is questioning the fact that the wig was ruined. But many of us are question the accusations that the Judge was wrong and the reasons the defenders of the couple are saying that. So the innocence you proclaim of this couple and the eidelkeit can be attributed to the Judge and to the laundry owners and employees as well. To keep demeaning the other players in this scenario is what is getting everyones ire.