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Look at this, and tell me your thoughts. Words actually fail me.
What a joke. TV justice indeed. Good for entertainment value, nothing else.
These judge shows do whatever will bring more viewers; that’s all their so-called “judgement” is based on. The so-called “judge” is just an entertainer hired by a TV producer for her ratings value. And ratings is what their “judgement” is based on. The “courtroom” and the guy dressed like a security man are all props.
this is beyond sickening.
these people should be publicly banned and shunned from the community.
they have a din of a rodef.
non-jews hate jews for these very reasons.
absolutley sickening!
Being that I can’t see youtube, can someone summarize the video please?
There is no way the actress playing TV “judge” could have made a determination of what company originally made that severly destroyed wig, based on a quick phone call to the company describing how the destroyed wig currently looked like.
The whole show is a big joke.
Being that I can’t see youtube, can someone summarize the video please?
A frum couple is suing a dry cleaning establishment for $3000.
Frum couple claims that their child accidentally tossed a $3000 Georgi wig into the dry cleaning bag. When the dry cleaners saw it, they called the customer to ask what to do with the wig. Plaintiff says that they told them not to wash the wig, defendant says she was told to wash, but not dry the wig. In addition, there were clearly language issues during the phone call.
Wig comes back ruined. The frum couple says that the wig is a total loss. They took the wig to three places to see if it could be repaired, but do not have any documentation of this.
The judge calls a recess and takes the wig and the woman’s receipt for the wig into her chambers. When she comes back from recess the judge says she called Georgi and confirmed that the woman did, indeed, buy a $3000 wig from them — but that it was a long wig — the wig the woman was wearing to court. The wig that was damaged was a short wig and not even sold by Georgis based on the model name. Judge gave the frum couple a tongue lashing and dismissed the case.
The Wolf
Thanks cantoresq.
Is this TV show real or is it made up, like wrestling?
Seems like a made up story to me.
cantoresq: You can say “ostensibly” again.
Is this TV show real or is it made up, like wrestling?
Generally, it’s real. They take people who have cases pending in small claims court and have them agree to settle their dispute on the show. Both parties are paid for their appearance.
While I’m certain that production values are taken into account, the general procedure is real. I’ve seen postings from people from unrelated cases who have been on the show and they confirm that the cases and outcomes are real.
The Wolf
thanks wolf.
The whole case is heard and decided in less than one hour. Even before editing out for tv production time constraints, the entire “case” is opened and closed in, at most, 45 minutes.
HUGE chillul hashem.
She’s shaking her head yes when the Judge is telling her what she did.
Lemaseh Its a Chillul H. only if the Judge is correct. But we have an obligation to be beleive achainu bnei yisroel am kadosh venora
and they are heilage yidishe neshomos.I think Georgies has to step forward and confirm a couple of things here.
Huge chilul HaSh-m!!!
How would any of YOU have reacted IF you were telling the truth and the judge said (as she did here) that you were lying and perpetrating a fraud?
Wouldn’t you have been indignant?
Wouldn’t you have opened your mouth and said something like…
“Judge, you’ve gotten wrong information, that destroyed wig IS my $3000 Georgi wig!!! I have told you the absolute TRUTH!!!
But in fact how DID they react? – They were basically silent, and their silence spoke volumes! (as in “Gotcha!”)
Want to know one reason (of the many) why kids go “off the derech”?
Because they see hypocritical behavior like this from “frum” adults.
i have heard that law enforcement officials watch shows like this in order to act when they see a crime that was committed.
i would not be at all surprised if they are prosecuted (probably successfully) for fraud.
what a sad, terrible thing. let us hope they do sincere Tshuvah
Well, what do you think actually happened?
I will ignore the first question of the authorization to wash. It is clear the couple would not tell them to wash it, and clear it was a mix up.
So, here are some choices.
A. The couple sent a garbage shaitel in to be able to make a claim. – This very unlikely.
B. A shaitel was sent in and ruined. It cost only a few hundred, but when they refused to pay the couple figured let’s get them for 3000.- Do you think that lady would own a cheap shaitel?
C. An expensive shaitel was sent in and ruined. It was a few years old, and they don’t have the receipt. So they grab the Georgi receipt thinking it’s about the same anyway, or maybe thinking it is the only way to recover anything.- I think something along these lines is what happened.
If I am correct, it is still really bad, but not quite as bad as it looks.
Where is aries chiding people for being “judgemental” on this couple?
80, how can you be convinced of a frum yid’s guilt based on a 20 minute tv show?
youre right helpful
MOD:
First of all, the process may have taken more than 20 min- they edit the trial for TV. And small claims court proceedings generally last for about 30 minutes total.
Secondly, the producers of this show check public records for people who are filing claims in small claims court. They contact the defendants and offer them the option of appearing on the show, and if they lose, then the show pays the cost. If the defendant agrees, they make the same offer to the plaintiff.
So- this means that “M&H” (who at least chose not to have their family name on TV – zchus avos!) FILED A FALSE CLAIM IN SMALL CLAIMS COURT. Had this gone to trial in court, they were willing to swear/affirm that all this was true.
Am I the only one who thinks that funding a sheitel this way is “tovel vesheretz beyado”?
How are we an “or lagoyim?”
Tshuvah is always desired by Hashem and always has a mitigating effect
misah is a Kaporrah for chillul Hashem, when accompanied by Tshuvah
I don’t understand why this has gone viral with frum people. Isn’t it defeating the “purpose” (or “moral”) of the story by spreading the chillul hashem/loshon harah?
The chillul hashem was going the show. Whatever occurred or whatever was decided did not make the situation better.
I firmly believe anyone who agrees to adjudicate an issue in such a matter is mechallel shem shomayim. And it would be even worse if it were between two yiddin.
I not sure if I can say it is brabim, because that would assume on TV is considered a rabim of shomrei Torah.
Squeak,
I very much agree. The more the video is viewed, the more public and prominent it becomes, and the more it spreads. I would not click on it, why would I want to watch my brethren humiliated, whether or not they were right or wrong? I feel flushed just thinking about it.
squeak, juicy loshon hora goes viral regardless of the truth.
Helpful,
Your comment is coming at me from left field. The truth is not the concern here, it’s spreading of the story that bothers me. If 3 people know a piece of loshon harah and then you forward it to all your email contacts, is that not a sin? Does that not increase the impact of the chillul hashem caused by the story?
I consider it sadly ironic that people are posting the link publicly- spreading the chillul hashem by calling attention to what a chillul hashem the story is.
The chillul hashem was going the show. Whatever occurred or whatever was decided did not make the situation better.
I firmly believe anyone who agrees to adjudicate an issue in such a matter is mechallel shem shomayim. And it would be even worse if it were between two yiddin.
I not sure if I can say it is brabim, because that would assume on TV is considered a rabim of shomrei Torah.
Well said Jose. I agree 100%.
We have a problem here anyone that has some sort of solution to extinguish this fire will be greatly rewarded from Shomayim
squeak, I agree with you 100%. Sorry for not being clear about that.
Any dry cleaning store knows that hair will be damaged in the dry cleaning process. They can’t even do animal fur, and if your coat has a real fur trim they will tell you that the fur CANNOT BE DRY CLEANED. Important to go to a reputable dry cleaning place that knows their business!
I thought what happened was what poppa bar abba wrote…
C. An expensive shaitel was sent in and ruined. It was a few years old, and they don’t have the receipt. So they grab the Georgi receipt thinking it’s about the same anyway, or maybe thinking it is the only way to recover anything.- I think something along these lines is what happened.
That is why she kept quiet when the Judge said her verdict, cause she had no proof of the value of the wig. As far as the damaged wig being a short wig, I think it was a long wig but it was thrown in the machine and any wig would look like a pletzel even if it was very long. And she did indeed buy the wig at Georgie but it was discontinued so that’s why georgie worker said we no longer make the wig.
will the owner of the dry cleaner now sue because they were hauled to court? wonder how that works.
I guess it was implied, but it’s been so long that I needed to hear it explicitly 🙂
Nah, I agree with you far more often than not. Its just that when we disagree, the sparks fly. 🙂
How much do these TV Court shows pay the plantiff & defendant to have their case tried on the show?
They pay both parties a fee to appear. In addition to that, they pay the cost of the judgement to the defendant, if he loses, or to the plaintiff what he sought, if he loses.
And both parties have to agree to not be disrespectful to the judge, even if she acts like an idiot.
The problem with PBA’s theory is that the judge said she knew the brand, which is how she knew it wasn’t the $3000 wig, and that, aside from it not being what they said it was, it was a five dollar wig.
myfriend – so it’s a win-win deal, even if you lose the case you’re covered. I was just trying to figure out why people would want to appear on these types of shows.
Must this be commented on further? Whatever the reality is, spreading this story is Lashon Hara about M&H and possibly motsi shem ra if the editors edited out portions that would make their claim look better than it is.
Yes I was aware of that. I don’t think I believe that the judge found out what it was, and it was only worth a few hundred (or a few).
Seriously, do you think that lady would own a cheap synthetic shaitel? I’m sure she’d rather be humiliated as an internet sensation than go to Pomegranate in a cheap shaitel.
On thing just doesnt klap!
How did the judge know to call Georgie out of all the wig makers in NY,,??
She asked the lady where she bought the wig AFTER she claimed that she already called G?
Aishes Chayil, did you watch the whole clip? Georgi WAS mentioned before as the source!
And how would Georgie’s be able to identify which shaitel that was simply with a verbal description of an already very damaged shaitel, over a 5 minute telephone call?
How did the judge know to call Georgie out of all the wig makers in NY,,??
The woman gave the judge the receipt for the sheitel (the judge held it up at the end of the case) to prove its value. Presumably the receipt had the address and phone number of the store.
The Wolf
She didnt speak to Georgy herself, but presumably someone who works there, which is ofcourse what made their excuse that Georgy was in France so ridiculous, lol!
even if the wig was damaged, the judge could probably still read the label that was in the wig and call Georgie with the info.
PBA,
I can’t really speculate about whether she’d wear a five dollar sheitel, but she wouldn’t need to if she bought it to try to commit fraud against the dry cleaner. It seemed from the clip, that the wig had some sort of identifying tag, which really does explain every question being asked here.
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