Setting up a MO girl with a serious Lakewood bochur = good idea or not?

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  • #1692286
    Joseph
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    Anyone with a girl who goes to the movies Friday nights and is looking for a Lakewood bochor to marry should contact the MO shadchan “Mr. Rebbetzin”, as he specializes in such shidduchim.

    #1692259

    Two mistakes:
    Girl thinks that the boy will change.
    Boy thinks the girl won`t change.
    Both are wrong.

    #1692267
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Rebbitzen: If Briskboyz is the subject of this thread and posted above that he just became aware of this CR thread you started but would consult with his rebbe about his OWN SITUATION, do you consult with him before updating all of us on how the first date went. I suspect by now every bochur in Lakewood knows who he is, where they went for their first date and whether they’ve discussed the important stuff in life such as gebrokts, yekeshe hashgacha and testing Uggs for shatens. Seems a bit weird to have both you and the subject of your thread posting updates contemporaneously. The fact that he his here in the CR posting on the internet suggests he has the flexibility to find a common ground with this “moderneshe” young lady.

    #1692309

    Full disclosure: The girl`s father is Rosh Kollel in a MO Kollel (hence references to Rabbi JB Soleveitchik and Rav Hershel Shachter – in another thread etc).

    The consensus is that the girls whose father`s are Rosh Yeshiva or Rosh Kollel get the pick of the boys because they can afford to pay (if they are successful fundraisers). It makes no diff if the Kollel or Yeshiva is MO…they get the top boys.

    For the boys in Lakewood watching this thread – take notes…it`s happening…live.

    #1692370
    iacisrmma
    Participant

    reb. I have never heard the story that you heard by Rabbi Frand but the story regading the milchigs kiddush on shavuous is in one of Rbbi Krohn’s maggid books as well as the artscroll biography of Reb Yaakov. I live near one of Reb Yaakov’s granddaughters and verified that the family minhag is to eat gebrokts while reb Yaakov himself did not based on the story of why he did not eat gebrokts as i saw it in the artscroll biography.

    #1692385
    Health
    Participant

    Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname -“Full disclosure: The girl`s father is Rosh Kollel in a MO Kollel (hence references to Rabbi JB Soleveitchik and Rav Hershel Shachter – in another thread etc).
    The consensus is that the girls whose father`s are Rosh Yeshiva or Rosh Kollel get the pick of the boys because they can afford to pay (if they are successful fundraisers). It makes no diff if the Kollel or Yeshiva is MO…they get the top boys”

    This is an exception. Your original question was a regular MO to Yehivish.

    “Health – you might not know that sefardim follow the Bais Yossef (generally more maikel)”

    The meat is more Machmir.

    #1692412
    Joseph
    Participant

    Mr. Rebbetzin: Steven I. Weiss proved six years ago that your citation about Rav Shach as well as about yesh al ma lismoch are forgeries of Prof. Michael Broyde.

    #1692417
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    As noted above, if I was the boy/girl who are the subject of this thread, I would tell the rebbitzen and all the other well meaning ba’al ha’batim to “bug out” and let us figure it out for ourselves. Hopefully, this will have a happy ending and several months from now, we might be watching a video of the mitzvah tanz.

    #1692463

    People feel the need to revise history and sanitize all gedolim from any perceived imperfections that may diminish their gadlus in our tiny eyes, not realizing that all gedolim had imperfections, from Moshe hitting the rock to tannoyim and certainly their wives (who were not gedolim) had imperfections. That is what made them gedolim and not malachim.

    You accept perceived imperfections in gedolim that you are not machshiv, but battle historical facts against any imperfection of a gadol that you revere. Even if it means denying what Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer said about his neice, the wife of Rav Shach and denying photos that were printed.

    #1692727

    Personally, I would never agree to a shidduch for my children with someone whose hashkofas are totally the opposite of my own.

    #1692933
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Personally, I would never agree to a shidduch for my children with someone whose hashkofas are totally the opposite of my own.

    So I guess you would not let your children marry a Sefard (Or an Ashlenaz if you are a Sefard)

    #1692954

    GH: who says there will be a mitzvah tantz?

    #1692963
    apushatayid
    Participant

    do ashkenazim and sefardim have different hashkafos?

    #1692982
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    do ashkenazim and sefardim have different hashkafos?

    the 2 biggest ones are Kitnyot and Selichot

    #1692994

    What about a black yeshiva boy or Bais Yaakov girl (not a ger) with your hashkofos – would that be ok for your children? Does color of skin matter?!

    #1693018
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    And What about a Ger? Would you not allow your children to marry a Ger because the Hashghafa is differnet?

    #1693024
    frumfitnessfreak
    Participant

    If the guy is really a serious learner in Lakewood, I cannot imagine he would agree to be set up, let alone his parents approving of it. If he is willing to go out, I would question how serious is. Bottom line: he would have to accept the way she is now–there is no guarantee that even if she agreed to be “frummer,” that she will or that it will last. And from the girl’s part, I find it hard to believe that despite the commonalities, that she would agree to go out with a boy who plans to be a long-time learner unless she already is leaning in that direction.

    #1693102
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “the 2 biggest ones are Kitnyot and Selichot”

    These are not hashkafos. they are minhagim in halacha.

    #1693105
    apushatayid
    Participant

    I think its a good idea to be involved with shidduchim. It’s a bad idea to deliberately waste someones time. If you think it’s a good idea, suggest it, and the parties involved disagree, they will say no thanks.

    #1693128
    sifsei chachamim
    Participant

    The question is why was a serious Lakewood bochur at a seudas shabbos with a MO girl?

    #1693164
    Health
    Participant

    SC -“The question is why was a serious Lakewood bochur at a seudas shabbos with a MO girl?”
    No. The question is why did they go out on a date?

    #1693176

    He is a serious Lakewwod boy with long-term kollel ahead of him while she is a MO girl brought up with every kulah in halacha (including wearing pants) that will never adopt the chumros of yeshivish standards.
    Does he also wear pants?

    #1693187

    fff – “If the guy is really a serious learner in Lakewood, I cannot imagine he would agree to be set up, let alone his parents approving of it. If he is willing to go out, I would question how serious is. ”

    This girl ,besides all her personal maalos, is an actuary, earning 6-figures. She can easily support the long term learning of this bochur and can work remotely from EY using internet. This allows a serious lerner to reach for his dreams!

    On top of that, she is machshiv Torah learning as her father is a RY and Rosh Kollel in a MO yeshiva. Plus, her parents would help major expenses like buying a house, car, bungalow, flights etc.

    Girls hope the biy will change with time – and become less of a shlump – but it doesn’t happen.

    Bochurim hope the girl won’t change – stay just a she is. Softspoken, aidel, fit. But she will change. The size 2 becomes size 12, The aidel maidel becomes an opinionated pisk.

    Hashkofos – everyone can deal with it by learning to leave to G-d the relationship with G-d.

    #1693272

    Bochurim hope the girl won’t change
    How do you know what bochurim hope if you are a rebbetzin.

    #1693569
    mmft
    Participant

    I think most people would agree that it can work out between them with compromises and the like as you see in cases where after marriage a spouse changes level of observance many rabbonim under specific circumstances say to stay together and work it out but for someone to enter this situation when still single is risky and not worth it there are many girls on the same page as him hashkofa wise with great middos hobbies etc.

    #1693594

    Cap Bump – How do I know? I know things about people.

    #1693621
    Workingbochur95
    Participant

    If the girl grew up MO and became much more BY-type in seminary, then there should be no hashkafic issues between them.

    H/t:
    I am an ex-Modox bochur in the parsha who became Charedi in Yeshivat Ohr Yerushalayim. I have been in the Yeshivish velt for four years.
    A lot of BY type girls (some as old as 23!) refuse to go out with me because they truly believe my family’s lower level of frumkeit can cause Shalom bayis issues!! This is wrong!

    #1693666

    Setting up a MO girl with a serious Lakewood bochur = good idea or not?

    How about Setting up a MO boy with a serious Lakewood bochurette

    #1698853

    Good News! Third pegisha and all systems go – except the MO girl admires Chabad and they argued about it. Is that grounds to break the shidduch? I do know another bochur, a Brisker, that could take over!

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