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    commonsaychel
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    I just saw a meeting between R Dovid Hoffsteter and Gov Mike Huckabee the nominated Ambassador to Israel being splashed around the frum media, was wondering a few things.

    1, who appointed him to anything and what his credentials are besides being wealthy and setting up a torah program
    2, how does a Canadian citizen have the chutzpah to ask an ambassador of a different county what his opinion is of a third county internal rules.
    3, why should we care and why is the frum media covering this

    #2355166
    peacebeuponus
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    Shlomo Hamelech, the wisest of all men, once said “kesef yaaneh es hakoil”…. Your questions included…

    #2355380
    ard
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    peacebeuponus- nice answer

    #2355662
    ard
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    why cant you comment on the new news page about the meeting?

    #2355735
    Kuvult
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    You can either be appointed or assume the position by playing the right game. It helps to be rich, influential &/or well connected.
    Simon Wolf was considered to be the leader of American Jewry. He lived in Washington DC. Lincoln had an open door policy (as long as you were willing to wait) so anyone could see him. Wolf took the time & made the effort to meet with Lincoln about Jewish soldiers in the Union Army having issues & other Jewish matters. Over time they came to know each other well. The same with U.S. Grant.
    So of course when these Presidents needed to speak to the “representative” of the Jewish community they called on Wolf.
    Nobody appointed Wolf or voted for him. But by playing his cards right he became the defacto leader of American Jews. That’s how it often happens or a “Court Jew” will be asked for a candidate. When Teddy Roosevelt wanted to appoint a Jew to his cabinet he called his close friend Jacob Schiff. Schiff recommended Oscar (Asher) Straus of the famous Macy’s family.
    Usually it’s power & Gelt, &/or building connections with the right people.

    #2355819
    commonsaychel
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    @Kuvult, if you have appointed position you have a title, if not you just a rich person with a rich ego

    #2355827
    eddiee
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    Why does it bother you? Do you want the “position”?

    #2355881
    commonsaychel
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    @eddiee, read what i wrote in #2

    #2356064
    eddie
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    I am just wondering why you are so worried about his middos, that you have to comment on a public forum?

    #2356065
    eddie
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    I would recommend asking HIM about #2.

    #2356066
    eddie
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    As to #3, you seem to care, so I ask YOU, “why do you care?”

    #2356097
    Kuvult
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    Common,
    My point was HOW he was appointed. It was done by one man, Schiff. Did Schiff ask others? Did Schiff consult with leaders of the different Jewish denominations? Was a vote taken?
    True Straus was appointed but who made Schiff leader of American Jews to decide who the 1st Jewish cabinet member would be?
    Again it goes back to the original question. Schiff worked his way into the highest levels of govt by being rich, influential & well connected (just like Simon Wolf) which caused him to be considered the leader of American Jews despite not being appointed, voted for or deciding on by the rest of American Jews.

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