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I think gefilte fish is uch , you should try lajmajin , kibbeh ,chamin , cous cous etc lets not mention herring . if you think iam wrong then right back!!
If gefilte fish is made fresh, and served with a copious amount of sweet red chrein and mayonnaise, I can eat it.
Herring, I just can’t bring myself to touch the stuff. I’m not the biggest fish eater, anyways. Chraime is equally repulsive to me.
right back?
So i guess you admit to going after your evil yetzer Hara by running after your desire for sefardi food without being able to hold yourself in.
a patient i assisted in my office just yesterday with addiction issues but not serious addiction (like drinking or drugs etc…) ruchinus addiction. i.e. my patient is not able to hold his taivos back from wasting time sitting watching TV & Shows etc… his first day of therapy is today. HOLDING HIMSELF BACK FROM HIS DESIRES & ALSO NOT WASTING HIS LIFE OVER DOING NOTHING. will need to see how long therapy takes for him.
how long will it take you Sefardi guy to withhold yourself back from your yetzer hara for these foods & other stuff bad for a yid?
i wish you hatzlacha to start working on yourself now
I love Persian, Indian, Bukharian, Syrian, Iraqi, Turkish, Greek, Moroccan, Yemenite food. Just not fish. I love all of it. Sambusak, Cigars, Kibbeh, Kibbeh Lemon with artichoke, Kibbeh Cherry, Yebra/Dolmades, spanakopita, cheeses, olives, everything from this part of the world. Along with Italian, these are all my favorites.
I also happen to believe the Sephardi approach to learning and halacha has many maalos above the Ashkenazic approach, personally.
I haven’t tried Sephardi food, but I know that gefilte fish ranges from prepared fish to soggy bread.
I can only eat a bowl of cholent if I pour a mixture of ketchup and bbq sauce into it.
If it tastes good, spit it out.
eat to have strength to serve Hashem or to make the person who made it happy (rather its your wife or your host your eating by) BUT DON’T EAT just to fress cause you love it. thats what a chazer is & a Chazer is not a kosher animal.
theres nothing wrong for a person to go out to the restaurant to eat. BUT to go out just cause you desire that steak is crazy & Insane. start working on yourself to hold your yetzer hara back.
I was at a expensive fancy event this week (was sefardi happens to be) & i did not touch a single thing there. i came to give Mazel tov & had already eaten before coming. it can take time. but you can work on yourself to hold your taivos back from what you want & bring yourself to greatness.
Tzaddikim eat just to have strength to serve hashem. so there is almost no difference to them between eating bread & water versus pizza & sodah.
may we all reach this high level one day.
Mashiach Agent, do you mean sefardi food specifically? Or just any food?
We’re not meant to live like that. There’s a Yerushalmi, I believe, that says a person has to give a cheshbon hanefesh in olam habah for all the pleasures he denied himself in olam hazeh that he could’ve had.
The RBSO gave us foods for health but also enjoyment. The Torah could’ve said to express simcha before HaShem by having bread and water, but instead commanded us to have meat and wine on yontiff.
On the other hand, Avos says one is koneh torah through bread and salt.
RY
Any food
dov rosenbaum
sure Lekovod shabbos & yom tov there are lots of delicacies but people who work on themselves… when they do eat it (rather on shabbos or at a simcha etc…) eat it only for the honor of Shabbos or to make the baal simcha happy that he is joining their Simcha etc…
theres one kind of person who is a tzaddik & has reached this high level (you don’t need to be a Gadol Hador to reach this level) of holding himself in from going after his desires. & then there,s the person that is simply living in Denial by not eating/enjoying what he can enjoy. if you are the 2nd person then the person is crazy & needs help.
theres many other things that every human can work on to bring yourself to a higher madreiga & closer to Hashem. but that is not for now.
Enjoy your kibbeh and everything else you like to eat. Just remember to say the appropriate Bracha rishona and Bracha achrona.
I’m sfardi i grew up eating sfardi foods and i like ashkenazi food better
I have tried sefardi food from many different sefardi homes, takeouts, and caterers and I really dislike it.
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Write away.
sefardi guy,
Sorry, nice try, but Ashkenazim still have the best trolls. By far.
MA, using the word “Yid” (“Jew” in Jargon, a.k.a. pidgin German) is not only Sephardi-bashing but mimicking Archie Bunker, who also called us that. Let the dead non-language rest in pieces (there is Polish Jargon, Hungarian Jargon, etc.)
Avi, look up the term dead language before you use it so terribly incorrectly.
You come across as the Jewish version of Archie Bunker. You are so bigoted against chareidim, it’s disgusting.
Dead language isn’t an insult. It just means a language no longer used. So, in other words, he is wrong. That isn’t the same as being archie bunker.
M29, DY point is correct once you take into consideration the reason Avi chose to be deliberately (and obviously) “wrong” in his comment.
All go gotta do to for it to be sefardi is a add a cup of oil.
I think chacham ovadia changed his mind. I believe that at the moment he doesn’t any sefardi food.
Also, I don’t think DY was only referring to this instance when he labeled AK anti chareidi.
I don’t know who Archie Bunker is, but I wanted to point out that “Yid” is not a pejorative unless uttered with contempt.
Virtually signed by a proud Yiddish speaking erliche (I hope) Yid(dene).
Ok thread hijack alert, Dear Sefardi coffee room brothers and sisters please explain to me what kaak is? it is some kind of a circular bread stick that we sell in our store what I don’t get is why does it cost $9 a package?
TheGoq- kaak is kind of like a bread stick but with middle eastern spices, the reason it’s so expensive is because it’s VERY TEDIOUS to make. It take a really long time!
Sefardi guy- take it easy, it’s not a competition! Who cares!
DY, you are attacking a straw man. Maybe stop using Yiddish words and use Ladino. Better yet, Hebrew. That is the language of all of Am Yisrael.
The last word, or almost last word in dietary science, is that you should pick an ethnic diet and stick with it, all the better if it is your own. I am a vegetarian and stopped eating fish, but I still love my horseradish. My bubbe served elaborate meals with the only acknowledgment of being in Brooklyn an entree of sectioned sugared grapefruit. Every thing else was standard Belorussian fare. She and her siblings reached ripe old age without much infirmity. Ptcha and rotech anyone?
Avi K,
using the word “Yid” (“Jew” in Jargon, a.k.a. pidgin German) is not only Sephardi-bashing
How?
but mimicking Archie Bunker, who also called us that.
Nah, he said “Yid” (rhymes with squid) rather than “Yid” (rhymes with deed). Joking aside, perhaps the most common anti-Semitic perjorative is “Jew.” Would you therefore argue that we should stop calling ourselves Jews?
Let the dead non-language rest in pieces (there is Polish Jargon, Hungarian Jargon, etc.)
If this is typical of the respect shown to Ashkenazic Jewish traditions, then it is no wonder that Chareidim cannot integrate well within Israeli society.
Avram,
1. By making pidgen German into a holy language one is snubbing Sepharadim.
2. In some contexts “Jew” can indeed be a pejorative. For example, by using it in place of “Jewish” (e.g. Jew food). At one time, in fact, the polite terms were “Hebrew” and “Israelite”, both of which are more accurate as a Jew (Yehudi) is someone from the tribe of Yehuda. Rav Kook, in fact, never used the word “Yehudi”, always “Yisraeli”. BTW, interestingly, the word “Zhid” is considered a pejorative in Russian (the polite word is “Yevrei”) but a polite word in Polish (when Khruschev came to Russian-occupied zone of Poland at the beginning of WW2 he was shocked to hear Jews referring to themselves as Zhidi).
3. Which Chareidim? What about Sephardic Chareidim (and FYI, Rav Ovadia said that Ashkenazim should junk their galut pronunciation of hebrew already)? Chareidim do not integrate because they do not want to integrate.
DY, you are attacking a straw man.
I didn’t know straw men post on the CR.
I don’t think DY was only referring to this instance when he labeled AK anti chareidi.
Correct.
I’m told that Latino has some very funny expressions also. So I guess Yiddish doesn’t have a lock on great expressions that can’t really be translated.
Fortunately, my DH is Ashkenazi because he has a very delicate system and can’t eat spicy foods. I like some Sephardi foods, but not too crazy about heavily spiced greasy food. Glad sushi doesn’t fall under either category.
DY, there are several straw men here.
I like to throw a generous helping of charrif on gefilte fish. The stronger, the better.
sefardi guy I agree that some sefardi food is amazing but cholent is for sure better then chamin. I tasted chamin a few times and it doesn’t come close to cholent!!
Avi K, I would say that if you believe that Yiddish should no longer be spoken, we should also stop learning Talmud Bavli, being that is “pidgen Babylonian” ( Your faux intellectual venee vocabularyr is cute if self humiliating). As for Jew, I don’t know about your apocryphal reference of
Rav Kook ZTL, but Mordechai is called a Yehudi in the Megillah. As for Yiddish being a dead language, there is no question in my mind whatsoever that Yiddish has a faster growth rate than Hebrew does. Note that I am not opposed to Hebrew, I’m just stating a reasonable opinion. Are you like a self hating Ashkenazi? Why are you so opposed to the language spoken by so many Gedolim in everyday life and shiurim? The language that the Lubavitcher Rebbe Zatzal spoke? I assume you’re an Ashkenazi, only because I can’t imagine the hatred for Yiddish coming from a Sephardi. I apologize if this comes across as uncivil, but I ask the Mods to approve it if only because Reb K is being disrespectful to every Chassid and every other Litvisher Yid. Your calling the Ashkenazi pronunciation “galut hebrew” is also disrespectful. By that standard, the Gemara is Galut Torah (indeed, there are some
(who shall not be named here) who actually assert this!) Please have some respect for your fellow Yidden and their long held Minhagim before you submit your next comment. Incidentally, why do you think so many Sephardi Chareidm wear black hats if they’re so much better? Are they Uncle Aryehs? Have they internalized Ashkenazi normativity?Ketchup and BBQ sauce are the preferred tastes of Southern gentile Americans. I like them, but I’m a Yenkee.
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