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    Zelig (A friend of mine) was getting ready to bike home from work, so he put on his coat, then his reflective vest, and then his helmet. I told him “safety first” and his vest and helmet should go first then his coat, but he said that a coat is safety, and I told him that a coat is health which is different than safety. Who’s right?

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    Joseph
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    You’re both being silly since it doesn’t matter which order it’s put on so long as they’re all put on.

    That said, protecting one’s health is certainly a matter of safety.

    #1050194
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Does it really not matter, Lior?

    #1050195

    Takeh, you’re right about the helmet going on first, but l’mayseh, there’s no tachlis in a reflective vest under one’s coat, so that should come last.

    #1050196
    Joseph
    Participant

    Presumably, if he put the vest on first it will be under the coat and thus rendered ineffective.

    #1050197

    But the main question was whether or not health is considered safety

    #1050198
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    It is safety.

    #1050199
    Participant

    In The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (as well as the rest of Ireland) They use the term “Health and Safety”. So while health is not the same as safety there is precedent to put health first.

    #1050200

    Yay someone agrees with me, take that Zelig.

    In the US, the term is also used

    #1050201

    Take that Me, you mean – Zelig was the one who was putting

    health first, and you argued for the precedence of safety.

    Someone had already agreed with you, though – me! I’ll do it again:

    If “Dept. of Health and Safety” is a precedent,

    “Safety first!” is a well-known principle!

    Take that, Zelig (who isn’t reading this, otherwise I wouldn’t say it)!

    #1050202

    The argument was whether or not health is the same as safety, I said it’s not

    #1050203
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Wearing a coat is safety.

    #1050204

    By the comlink x Zelig did read it, so take that!

    #1050205

    My apologies to Zelig. Anyway:

    Safety:

    Google – The condition of being protected from or unlikely to cause danger, risk, or injury.

    Wiktionary – The condition or feeling of being safe; security; certainty.

    Health:

    Google – The state of being free from illness or injury.

    Wiktionary – The state of being free from physical or psychological disease, illness, or malfunction; wellness.

    So I’d have to agree with Lior:

    “protecting one’s health is […] a matter of safety.”

    So both of you are right and wrong. You are right that health is not the same as safety, but Zelig is right that wearing a coat is safety.

    #1050206

    “Unsafe” and “unhealthy” are quite different, however,

    and it is not “unsafe” to go out without a coat,

    while it is “unsafe” to ride without a helmet.

    Perhaps the helmet should go on first after all.

    #1050207
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    It is unsafe to go out without a coat in the cold.

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