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December 17, 2014 4:20 am at 4:20 am #614486This name is already takenParticipant
Zelig (A friend of mine) was getting ready to bike home from work, so he put on his coat, then his reflective vest, and then his helmet. I told him “safety first” and his vest and helmet should go first then his coat, but he said that a coat is safety, and I told him that a coat is health which is different than safety. Who’s right?
December 17, 2014 5:50 am at 5:50 am #1050193JosephParticipantYou’re both being silly since it doesn’t matter which order it’s put on so long as they’re all put on.
That said, protecting one’s health is certainly a matter of safety.
December 17, 2014 5:57 am at 5:57 am #1050194👑RebYidd23ParticipantDoes it really not matter, Lior?
December 17, 2014 6:03 am at 6:03 am #1050195☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantTakeh, you’re right about the helmet going on first, but l’mayseh, there’s no tachlis in a reflective vest under one’s coat, so that should come last.
December 17, 2014 7:32 am at 7:32 am #1050196JosephParticipantPresumably, if he put the vest on first it will be under the coat and thus rendered ineffective.
December 17, 2014 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #1050197This name is already takenParticipantBut the main question was whether or not health is considered safety
December 18, 2014 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1050198👑RebYidd23ParticipantIt is safety.
December 18, 2014 2:39 am at 2:39 am #1050199–ParticipantIn The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (as well as the rest of Ireland) They use the term “Health and Safety”. So while health is not the same as safety there is precedent to put health first.
December 18, 2014 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #1050200This name is already takenParticipantYay someone agrees with me, take that Zelig.
In the US, the term is also used
December 19, 2014 1:08 am at 1:08 am #1050201☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantTake that Me, you mean – Zelig was the one who was putting
health first, and you argued for the precedence of safety.
Someone had already agreed with you, though – me! I’ll do it again:
If “Dept. of Health and Safety” is a precedent,
“Safety first!” is a well-known principle!
Take that, Zelig (who isn’t reading this, otherwise I wouldn’t say it)!
December 19, 2014 6:31 am at 6:31 am #1050202This name is already takenParticipantThe argument was whether or not health is the same as safety, I said it’s not
December 19, 2014 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #1050203👑RebYidd23ParticipantWearing a coat is safety.
December 21, 2014 1:06 am at 1:06 am #1050204This name is already takenParticipantBy the comlink x Zelig did read it, so take that!
December 21, 2014 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1050205☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantMy apologies to Zelig. Anyway:
Safety:
Google – The condition of being protected from or unlikely to cause danger, risk, or injury.
Wiktionary – The condition or feeling of being safe; security; certainty.
Health:
Google – The state of being free from illness or injury.
Wiktionary – The state of being free from physical or psychological disease, illness, or malfunction; wellness.
So I’d have to agree with Lior:
“protecting one’s health is […] a matter of safety.”
So both of you are right and wrong. You are right that health is not the same as safety, but Zelig is right that wearing a coat is safety.
December 29, 2014 10:29 am at 10:29 am #1050206☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant“Unsafe” and “unhealthy” are quite different, however,
and it is not “unsafe” to go out without a coat,
while it is “unsafe” to ride without a helmet.
Perhaps the helmet should go on first after all.
December 29, 2014 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1050207👑RebYidd23ParticipantIt is unsafe to go out without a coat in the cold.
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