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    avhaben
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    When is it a segula to put a Rzial Hamalach under the pillow of a chola?

    #869222
    rebbi1
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    I had heard it was a segula to prevent against nightmares. I didn’t know it was for a refuah also.

    #869223
    A Giteh Yid
    Participant

    When he is sick.

    #869224
    Sam2
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    It’s Muttar to sleep on a Sefer? I guess if the Segulah is common maybe it’s okay if the Sefer is made A’da’ata D’kach? I dunno. It’s an interesting question.

    #869225
    YehudahTzvi
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    Isn’t it Raziel Ha-MALACH? Or have I been mispronouncing it all these years? I’m serious.

    #869226
    Chacham
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    yehudahtzvi- it is indeed hamalach.

    #869227
    Sam2
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    YT: You’re right. The OP is the one who wrote it wrong.

    Thanks for the correction. I changed it – YW Mod

    #869228
    gefen
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    We also heard it’s to protect against fires – specifically to protect sefarim.

    #869229
    YehudahTzvi
    Participant

    Thanks!

    #869230
    BaalHabooze
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    gefen- I heard that too, and I keep one in the back of my seforim shrank.

    #869231
    Rav Tuv
    Participant

    We also heard it’s to protect against fires – specifically to protect sefarim.

    And all these years I thought HKB”H protects us and our sefarim.

    #869232
    sefardi tahor
    Participant

    isnt it RU-ZEE-‘EL hamalach?

    yes and its a segula againts fires

    although my friend had one hanging in a nice frame in their house and there was a fire……….

    just thinking out loud…

    S”T

    #869233
    Sam2
    Participant

    I thought it was a Segulah against things being stolen.

    #869234
    outreach613
    Participant

    I think it was written by Adam Harishon

    #869235
    Rainus
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    There was once a Sefer Raziel HaMalach, presented to Adam HaRishon by the angel. However, the book now touted as the Sefer Raziel HaMalach is not that celebrated Sefer. Rather, someone culled information from a kabbalistic Sefer written by Rabbeinu Elazar Rokeach z”l of Worms, and then put in a velt of garbage, incorporating also idolatry and heresy. See Shu”t Panim Meiros 1:45 I cannot imagine that this book is a segula for anything except making a buck for the seller.

    #869236
    avhaben
    Participant

    Rainus vs. The Gedolim

    Easy call.

    #869237
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    avhaben: what makes this “the gedolim?” Have you read the book?

    #869238
    Chacham
    Participant

    I believe Rav yaakov Emden in toras hakanoas says that reziel hamalach is a forgery based on the Rokeachs Sodey Rzaaya

    #869239
    Sam2
    Participant

    Chacham: The Ya’avetz also says that the Moreh Nevuchim wasn’t written by the Rambam…

    #869240
    Chacham
    Participant

    and says some things about the zohar…. erm I just won’t post it.

    #869241
    Sam2
    Participant

    Chacham: Aww, really? You wouldn’t post them just to see if they’ll get past the mods? Even if it’s a straight quote of the Ya’avetz?

    #869242
    miritchka
    Member

    i always thought it was a shmira for the house – in general, not just for fires.

    #869243
    HaLeiVi
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    The Yaavetz learned and believed in the Zohar Hakadosh. He quotes it often, too, as well as the Arizal. He held that certain things were mistakes that somebody wrote in his margin and over time made it into the text. The Kamarna writes the same thing.

    I was thinking that if not for the direct association by all the Rishonim, I would also say that the Moreh wasn’t written by the Rambam. There are clear contradictions to what he writes in the Yad. For example, in the Moreh he says that all Mitzvos have rational reasons, including Sheluach Hakein, which is about having Rachmanus. He applies that to Shechita, too. Then he says that although you find a Mishna implying that SHeluach Hakein is clearly not about Rachmanus, that Mishna is going with the Shitta that Mitzvos don’t have Taamim, and we are following the approach that Mitzvos do ave Taamim.

    In the Yad, he quotes the Mishna of Modim Modim Meshaskim Oso and Hegia Rachamecha El Kan Tzipor Meshaskim Oso. Then he explains that this is because the Mitzvos are given for these reasons, for if Rachmanus was the reason then we wouldn’t be allowed to eat meat.

    I am aware that it is possible to reconcile the two, but at face value they contradict each other. Karbanos, too, are approached very differently. In the Moreh it is to keep busy those who were used to it, while in the Yad he praises the concept as the ultimate in Avoda.

    All Rishonim associate the Moreh with the Rambam, so either that Sefer is his musing, so to speak, but he wouldn’t incorperate his thoughts into his work on Halacha. In the Yad he fed us Daas Chazal as is. Another approach, shared by many Gedolim, is that he wrote the Moreh for the rationals of his day, not unlike many writings of Reb Shamshon Refoel Hirsh. The Maharal writes this at the end of his Derech Chaim.

    Or, you can go through each seeming contradiction and reconcile them. This is definitely the most fun, and not impossible.

    #869244
    BaalHabooze
    Participant

    oh please don’t say it’s not real. pleeeease! I’m getting that sick feeling in my stomach, similar to the time someone told me the picture of the chofetz chaim is not realy a picture of the chofetz chaim…..

    #869245
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    You are feeling sick? Put a Sefer Raziel Hamalach under your pillow.

    #869246
    Sam2
    Participant

    HaLeiVi: There are many bigger reasons to think (hope?) that the Moreh wasn’t really written by the Rambam other than apparent contradictions. The first time I went through it I realized that if anyone today had written it he would be accepted as an Apikores by all of K’lal Yisroel.

    #869247
    Kozov
    Member

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    #869248
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    It’s not like it didn’t stir up trouble in his day, you know.

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