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April 16, 2012 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #602950avhabenParticipant
When is it a segula to put a Rzial Hamalach under the pillow of a chola?
April 16, 2012 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #869222rebbi1ParticipantI had heard it was a segula to prevent against nightmares. I didn’t know it was for a refuah also.
April 16, 2012 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm #869223A Giteh YidParticipantWhen he is sick.
April 16, 2012 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #869224Sam2ParticipantIt’s Muttar to sleep on a Sefer? I guess if the Segulah is common maybe it’s okay if the Sefer is made A’da’ata D’kach? I dunno. It’s an interesting question.
April 17, 2012 1:20 am at 1:20 am #869225YehudahTzviParticipantIsn’t it Raziel Ha-MALACH? Or have I been mispronouncing it all these years? I’m serious.
April 17, 2012 1:42 am at 1:42 am #869226ChachamParticipantyehudahtzvi- it is indeed hamalach.
April 17, 2012 1:44 am at 1:44 am #869227Sam2ParticipantYT: You’re right. The OP is the one who wrote it wrong.
Thanks for the correction. I changed it – YW Mod
April 17, 2012 3:20 am at 3:20 am #869228gefenParticipantWe also heard it’s to protect against fires – specifically to protect sefarim.
April 17, 2012 3:32 am at 3:32 am #869229YehudahTzviParticipantThanks!
April 17, 2012 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #869230BaalHaboozeParticipantgefen- I heard that too, and I keep one in the back of my seforim shrank.
April 17, 2012 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #869231Rav TuvParticipantWe also heard it’s to protect against fires – specifically to protect sefarim.
And all these years I thought HKB”H protects us and our sefarim.
April 17, 2012 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #869232sefardi tahorParticipantisnt it RU-ZEE-‘EL hamalach?
yes and its a segula againts fires
although my friend had one hanging in a nice frame in their house and there was a fire……….
just thinking out loud…
S”T
April 17, 2012 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #869233Sam2ParticipantI thought it was a Segulah against things being stolen.
April 18, 2012 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #869234outreach613ParticipantI think it was written by Adam Harishon
April 18, 2012 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #869235RainusParticipantThere was once a Sefer Raziel HaMalach, presented to Adam HaRishon by the angel. However, the book now touted as the Sefer Raziel HaMalach is not that celebrated Sefer. Rather, someone culled information from a kabbalistic Sefer written by Rabbeinu Elazar Rokeach z”l of Worms, and then put in a velt of garbage, incorporating also idolatry and heresy. See Shu”t Panim Meiros 1:45 I cannot imagine that this book is a segula for anything except making a buck for the seller.
April 18, 2012 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #869236avhabenParticipantRainus vs. The Gedolim
Easy call.
April 19, 2012 2:16 am at 2:16 am #869237ItcheSrulikMemberavhaben: what makes this “the gedolim?” Have you read the book?
April 19, 2012 2:23 am at 2:23 am #869238ChachamParticipantI believe Rav yaakov Emden in toras hakanoas says that reziel hamalach is a forgery based on the Rokeachs Sodey Rzaaya
April 19, 2012 3:00 am at 3:00 am #869239Sam2ParticipantChacham: The Ya’avetz also says that the Moreh Nevuchim wasn’t written by the Rambam…
April 19, 2012 3:10 am at 3:10 am #869240ChachamParticipantand says some things about the zohar…. erm I just won’t post it.
April 19, 2012 3:23 am at 3:23 am #869241Sam2ParticipantChacham: Aww, really? You wouldn’t post them just to see if they’ll get past the mods? Even if it’s a straight quote of the Ya’avetz?
April 19, 2012 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #869242miritchkaMemberi always thought it was a shmira for the house – in general, not just for fires.
April 19, 2012 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #869243HaLeiViParticipantThe Yaavetz learned and believed in the Zohar Hakadosh. He quotes it often, too, as well as the Arizal. He held that certain things were mistakes that somebody wrote in his margin and over time made it into the text. The Kamarna writes the same thing.
I was thinking that if not for the direct association by all the Rishonim, I would also say that the Moreh wasn’t written by the Rambam. There are clear contradictions to what he writes in the Yad. For example, in the Moreh he says that all Mitzvos have rational reasons, including Sheluach Hakein, which is about having Rachmanus. He applies that to Shechita, too. Then he says that although you find a Mishna implying that SHeluach Hakein is clearly not about Rachmanus, that Mishna is going with the Shitta that Mitzvos don’t have Taamim, and we are following the approach that Mitzvos do ave Taamim.
In the Yad, he quotes the Mishna of Modim Modim Meshaskim Oso and Hegia Rachamecha El Kan Tzipor Meshaskim Oso. Then he explains that this is because the Mitzvos are given for these reasons, for if Rachmanus was the reason then we wouldn’t be allowed to eat meat.
I am aware that it is possible to reconcile the two, but at face value they contradict each other. Karbanos, too, are approached very differently. In the Moreh it is to keep busy those who were used to it, while in the Yad he praises the concept as the ultimate in Avoda.
All Rishonim associate the Moreh with the Rambam, so either that Sefer is his musing, so to speak, but he wouldn’t incorperate his thoughts into his work on Halacha. In the Yad he fed us Daas Chazal as is. Another approach, shared by many Gedolim, is that he wrote the Moreh for the rationals of his day, not unlike many writings of Reb Shamshon Refoel Hirsh. The Maharal writes this at the end of his Derech Chaim.
Or, you can go through each seeming contradiction and reconcile them. This is definitely the most fun, and not impossible.
April 19, 2012 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #869244BaalHaboozeParticipantoh please don’t say it’s not real. pleeeease! I’m getting that sick feeling in my stomach, similar to the time someone told me the picture of the chofetz chaim is not realy a picture of the chofetz chaim…..
April 19, 2012 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #869245HaLeiViParticipantYou are feeling sick? Put a Sefer Raziel Hamalach under your pillow.
April 19, 2012 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #869246Sam2ParticipantHaLeiVi: There are many bigger reasons to think (hope?) that the Moreh wasn’t really written by the Rambam other than apparent contradictions. The first time I went through it I realized that if anyone today had written it he would be accepted as an Apikores by all of K’lal Yisroel.
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April 20, 2012 8:25 am at 8:25 am #869248HaLeiViParticipantIt’s not like it didn’t stir up trouble in his day, you know.
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