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Where is this Posuk from?
What is the meaning?
Is it referring to Risha’im from within Yisroel, outside Yisroel, or both?
TIA
It says it about reshoim who are not from Yisroel. And it is not a posuk — it’s a Gemora in Eiruvin(around daf 17).
They do not admit to being wrong even when being lead down to Gehenom.
It’s not a posuk its from a gemarah in Eiruvin 19a. It actually goes:
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In fact the gemarah goes on to say that this line is only applies to goyim and not to klal Yisroel because we do -do teshuvah.
This gemara a few lines down is the source for the famous line that even the rishaim of klal yisroel are full of mitzvos like a pomegranate.
Rishaim, not Rishai Yisroel.
Very end of:
http://www.dafyomi.co.il/gitin/points/gi-ps-056.htm
And start of:
http://www.dafyomi.co.il/gitin/points/gi-ps-057.htm
(j) Unkelus bar Klonikus was Titus’ nephew; he wanted to convert. He conjured up his uncle from the dead.
1. Unkelus: Who is important in the next world?
2. Titus: Yisrael are.
3. Unkelus: Should I cling to them (convert)?
4. Titus: They have too many Mitzvos, you cannot fulfill them. Rather, fight them in your world, and you will become a head.
i. “Its oppressors became leaders” – whoever oppresses Yisrael becomes a leader.
5. Unkelus: What was your judgment?
6. Titus: It is what I myself declared. Each day, my ashes are gathered, judged, burned, and scattered on the seven seas.
1) THE WICKED IN GEHINOM
(a) Unkelus conjured up Bilam from the dead.
1. Unkelus: Who is important in the next world?
2. Bilam: Yisrael are.
3. Unkelus: Should I cling to them?
4. Bilam: “Do not seek their peace or well-being, forever.”
5. Unkelus: What was your judgment?
6. Bilam: I am in boiling semen.
(b) Unkelus conjured up Yoshke from the dead.
1. Unkelus: Who is important in the next world?
2. Yoshke: Yisrael are.
3. Unkelus: Should I cling to them?
4. Yoshke: Seek their good, not their evil. Whoever touches (harms) them is like one who touches the apple of Hashem’s eye.
5. Unkelus: What was your judgment?
6. Yoshke: I am in boiling excrement.
i. Anyone who mocks Chachamim is judged in boiling excrement.
(c) See the difference between sinners of Yisrael and prophets of the Nochrim!
Being that reshai’im are busy with a lifetime of “rasha v’tov lo”…they are fooled into thinking they are being rewarded for their tzidkus(partially true).This is reinforced by others who see things similarly.So when and why should they ever contemplate doing teshuvah??
Yes,cucumber,this is made-up.
That is a really great question and deserves its own thread.
If you catch your kid taking a nosh that he knows he’s not supposed to have but hold off punishing him until later, do you think your child will think he’s off the hook, or will he be obsessing about how drastic his punishment might be?
Derech–A rasha not only thinks he’s off the hook,but that he either did a good thing (mushkebabel reasoning)or that you didn’t see.Or,that since he was so hungry,you’d let it pass,etc.etc.
I had a “l’shaym shomayim” jihad going on against me…I don’t even EXPECT to be asked mechila….And think of me as you wish,but I am unable to be moichel the incredible damage either.No forgiveness speeches please,until you’re standing exactly where I’m standing.
EVERYTHING IS FROM HASHEM,but “migalgilin chov AL YIDEI CHAYAV”.(No,not the Chayav from the CR)
I had a “l’shaym shomayim” jihad going on against me…I don’t even EXPECT to be asked mechila….And think of me as you wish,but I am unable to be moichel the incredible damage either.No forgiveness speeches please,until you’re standing exactly where I’m standing.
EVERYTHING IS FROM HASHEM,but “migalgilin chov AL YIDEI CHAYAV”.(No,not the Chayav from the CR)
“mushkebabel”
It took me at least a full 30 seconds to figure out what this word was.
Anyway, I think you are describing a tipush not a rasha. I always wondered this question myself though:
Someone who lacks insight into people or who chooses to abstains from using it-
Is he considered a meizid on not using his head but a shogeg for not doing the right thing since l’mayseh he didn’t know?
Or because he may have figured it out had he sat and thought about it he’s a meizid for his actions as well?
Derech–if one’s lack of insight causes pain to others on a regular basis he is 100% a mayzid,because he must see that he is provoking other’s anger,hurt,tears,negative reactions….he must seek guidance so as not to be oiver the countless issurim he is being oiver with his seeming (consistent)”lack of insight”.
If a guy rammed his Suburban into you,and then claimed it was due to a lack of eyeglasses,would you buy that??.
But what if he can’t afford glasses?
What if he never learned to think about others or his situation prevents him from being able to?
Thinking about others does not come naturally to some people and without someone to help them, they may never realize it. But everyone notices when their vision dims.
The Torah puts no fine print next to hilchos bein adam lachaveiro.(Some restrictions apply,acc.to you,but not to Hashem)
“EVERYTHING IS FROM HASHEM,but “migalgilin chov AL YIDEI CHAYAV”
I know a lot of people who fit into the end of the sentence.
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